Proposal: Eberle to Islanders

[Konk]

We don't need De Haan so its as simple as that.

Right, Larsson alone solves the Oilers defense issues. They don't need anyone else. Let's see how that works out.

 

[Konk]

That isn't the standard for trading players. Without Hall on the table there likely wasn't anything convincing Ray Shero to completely gut his defense. Larsson was the closest thing to unavailable at the time of the trade as you can be.

Look at what other young top 4 D have gone for in the past. The price tag is always high. Simple economics, supply and demand. Like you mentioned, the supply is low. And as the Oilers are aware, demand is very high.

The problem is only going to get worse as teams are added to the league. Competent top 4 D are becoming more and more of a scarcity.

 

[McFlyingV]

No trade to be made with Islander posters, they are satisfied with their team. None of their Dmen are available and there is only 1 forward I would be interested in and I wouldn't even dare mention his name in a trade thread.

Vegas is already getting either de Hann or one of Cizikas, Lee, Nelson or Strome for free next year. I think they might have lucked out on Pulock being exempt, but I'm not 100% sure because I don't know what the NHL cutoff date is to determine a players age. General Fanager has his first AHL season sliding on his ELC, but I don't know how that is possible with the CHL agreement requiring a player be 20 (to my understanding at least).

 

[CupofOil]

Well to clarify, I'd be willing to add if I was the NYI GM (although GMPC has proven he's willing to overpay for RHD). I just meant as a basis. Something like

Boychuk + 2nd for Eberle

The contract is way too risky and he's not the puckmover that the Oilers so desperately need. He's going to be 33 this season with 6 more years on that contract, nobody is taking that contract especially for the Oilers best goal scorer.

 

[McFlyingV]

Right, Larsson alone solves the Oilers defense issues. They don't need anyone else. Let's see how that works out.

Right another defensive left hand D solves our problems when we already have 2 top 4 LHD in Klefbom and Sekera, and Davidson who was playing like a top 4D last season, albeit smaller sample size. Literally the last thing we need is a defensive dman, but thanks for being an Oilers expert.

 

[Konk]

Right another defensive left hand D solves our problems when we already have 2 top 4 LHD in Klefbom and Sekera, and Davidson who was playing like a top 4D last season, albeit smaller sample size. Literally the last thing we need is a defensive dman, but thanks for being an Oilers expert.

You mean like the Oiler experts that predicted Eberle for Hamonic or Hall for Hamonic, MDC, and a 1st?

 

[McFlyingV]

You mean like the Oiler experts that predicted Eberle for Hamonic or Hall for Hamonic, MDC, and a 1st?

What the hell does this reply have to do with my post?

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Eberle + sekera + 2017 first for
Hamonic

Huge overpayment

 

[belair]

Look at what other young top 4 D have gone for in the past. The price tag is always high. Simple economics, supply and demand. Like you mentioned, the supply is low. And as the Oilers are aware, demand is very high.

You mean like Hamilton? A mid 1st and two mid-to-late 2nd rounders?

Or like Leddy? Pokka and some middling prospects?

Every team has their own specific needs. They also have abundances of certain types of players and salaries. Players will become available for different reasons every year. There is no 'market value' for a top 4 defenseman.

 

[Konk]

What the hell does this reply have to do with my post?

Simple. Oiler fans/experts are adament about what their team needs or what their players will return.

Reality contradicts. The argument against any trade for Hamonic in the past was always that he didn't bring enough offense. They trade one of their supposed untouchables for a dman with comparable stats to Hamonic.

I'll give you the RHD argument, but some LHDs can play RD and if there isn't a righty on the market, then it depends on Chia's level of demand for another top 4 D.

Do you get it yet?

 

[RipsADrive]

Hamonic.

No one else from the Isles is really worth further gutting our scoring. (Besides the obvious)

 

[Konk]

You mean like Hamilton? A mid 1st and two mid-to-late 2nd rounders?

Or like Leddy? Pokka and some middling prospects?

Every team has their own specific needs. They also have abundances of certain types of players and salaries. Players will become available for different reasons every year. There is no 'market value' for a top 4 defenseman.

Extraneous circumstances and you know it.

Hamilton - threat of offer sheet.

Leddy - cap constraints.

If you're counting on those situations to reoccur, good luck.

 

[Mr Positive]

idk, maybe for Anders Lee?

 

[McFlyingV]

Simple. Oiler fans/experts are adament about what their team needs or what their players will return.

Reality contradicts. The argument against any trade for Hamonic in the past was always that he didn't bring enough offense. They trade one of their supposed untouchables for a dman with comparable stats to Hamonic.

I'll give you the RHD argument, but some LHDs can play RD and if there isn't a righty on the market, then it depends on Chia's level of demand for another top 4 D.

Do you get it yet?

Except most Oilers fans were interested in Hamonic and wanted him traded for. Perhaps some of them got into a delusion that he could be had for cheap because of his trade request, but that doesn't change the fact that a team whose top RHD was Mark Fayne obviously was in desperate need of a top pairing RHD regardless of what type of D he was. Again how does de Haan help the Oilers when Davidson likely played at a similar level as him last year and he would need to be protected either forcing us to lose Davidson or one of our forwards that we'd rather keep while also giving up Eberle.

Next time before you criticize Oilers fans for not knowing their team needs, perhaps you should take a look at the circumstances. You're losing de Haan for nothing next year unless you can find a team that has a protected spot for him, and I highly doubt that they're going to pay up big for him knowing you won't be able to keep him.

 

[CupofOil]

Hamonic.

No one else from the Isles is really worth further gutting our scoring. (Besides the obvious)

The Oilers don't need Hamonic anymore. They need a puckmover.
Leddy (obviously not being dealt) and Pulock would be the targets of interest from the Islanders.

 

[ManofSteel55]

There is only one defenseman that fits our team needs now that we have Larsson. Unfortunately he is left handed but we could make do. So unless Nick Leddy is available, there probably isn't a trade to be made here.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Just to be fair, I am an Islanders fan and I believe de Haan and a first for Eberle is not an overpayment like Konk does.

I don't think Chiarelli is going to acid trip on every trade. I think the value is fair (Konk is a draft guy and every young player is gold to him). I just don't think that either team would be happy with that. de Haan wont' be protected by the Oilers IMO unless suddenly he blossoms more this year. I don't see him being protected by the Islanders either...

 

[LordNeverLose]

idk, maybe for Anders Lee?

I'd probably do it. Isles have way too many lefties

 

[McFlyingV]

I'd probably do it. Isles have way too many lefties

So do we

 

[Mr Positive]

I'd probably do it. Isles have way too many lefties

actually I would have to take that back since I thought he was a center

It would have to be Nelson

 

[OutForMilk]

Hamonic.

No one else from the Isles is really worth further gutting our scoring. (Besides the obvious)

Why? We don't need him anymore. Obviously Chiarelli felt Larsson was a better fit, too. I don't think the Islanders have the right pieces.

 

[PWJunior]

Except most Oilers fans were interested in Hamonic and wanted him traded for. Perhaps some of them got into a delusion that he could be had for cheap because of his trade request, but that doesn't change the fact that a team whose top RHD was Mark Fayne obviously was in desperate need of a top pairing RHD regardless of what type of D he was. Again how does de Haan help the Oilers when Davidson likely played at a similar level as him last year and he would need to be protected either forcing us to lose Davidson or one of our forwards that we'd rather keep while also giving up Eberle.

Next time before you criticize Oilers fans for not knowing their team needs, perhaps you should take a look at the circumstances. You're losing de Haan for nothing next year unless you can find a team that has a protected spot for him, and I highly doubt that they're going to pay up big for him knowing you won't be able to keep him.

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/20...d-be-exempt-from-the-2017-nhl-expansion-draft

A good read as to why Manta (and Pulock) should be exempt in expansion. If Pulock is exempt, then the Isles can use that spot on de Haan. Just FYI since you keep harping on 'losing him for nothing'.

 

[Konk]

Except most Oilers fans were interested in Hamonic and wanted him traded for. Perhaps some of them got into a delusion that he could be had for cheap because of his trade request, but that doesn't change the fact that a team whose top RHD was Mark Fayne obviously was in desperate need of a top pairing RHD regardless of what type of D he was. Again how does de Haan help the Oilers when Davidson likely played at a similar level as him last year and he would need to be protected either forcing us to lose Davidson or one of our forwards that we'd rather keep while also giving up Eberle.

The vast majority of Oiler fans on this board spent the better part of the season talking down to Isles fans regarding Hamonic's value and how they didn't want him anyway because of his lack of offense. Funny thing, all of that.

Davidson played similarly in terms of CF/60, CA/60, and CD/60, but not production/60. De Haan is the better all-around D at this point.

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[PWJunior]

Why? We don't need him anymore. Obviously Chiarelli felt Larsson was a better fit, too. I don't think the Islanders have the right pieces.

Is that the narrative now? That Chiarelli preferred Larsson over Hamonic? Are you sure it has nothing to do with reports that Snow wasn't willing to part with Hamonic for Hall?

 

[RipsADrive]

Why? We don't need him anymore. Obviously Chiarelli felt Larsson was a better fit, too. I don't think the Islanders have the right pieces.

I'd still trade Eberle for Hamonic.

I know it would leave the right side quite bare but it would also leave the Oilers with a very reliable blueline. Not a ton of offence but it would be effective at regaining possession and getting the puck onto McDavid's stick.