Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

[xECK29x]

Awesome, thanks for your reply. I can kinda see what i was missing, do you have a later version of the editor? In my version 1.0.2 the candidate league only allows for a true/false value even though it says UID, thought that might have been the issue.

I have a custom version I'm testing for Archi, that fix is coming in the next release, I can share it with you via PM if you need it and can't wait.

 

[archibalduk]

Awesome, thanks for your reply. I can kinda see what i was missing, do you have a later version of the editor? In my version 1.0.2 the candidate league only allows for a true/false value even though it says UID, thought that might have been the issue.

There's a typo in one of the Editor files which I'll fix for the next release. However, it's an easy fix to do it yourself:

1. Go to the "common" sub-folder in the EHM Editor folder;
2. Open "extra_rule_type.txt" in Notepad;
3. Scroll down to the end of the file and you'll see three rules numbered 177-179 which relate to the A, B and C licence candidate leagues. You'll see at the end of each line there is a ",BOOL". Delete the comma and the word "BOOL" so that they look like this:

177,Candidate league for continental A licence [UID],0
178,Candidate league for continental B licence [UID],0
179,Candidate league for continental C licence [UID],0

When you next load the Editor, you'll see that they are no longer True/False settings.

 

[NathanB]

There's a typo in one of the Editor files which I'll fix for the next release. However, it's an easy fix to do it yourself:

1. Go to the "common" sub-folder in the EHM Editor folder;
2. Open "extra_rule_type.txt" in Notepad;
3. Scroll down to the end of the file and you'll see three rules numbered 177-179 which relate to the A, B and C licence candidate leagues. You'll see at the end of each line there is a ",BOOL". Delete the comma and the word "BOOL" so that they look like this:

177,Candidate league for continental A licence [UID],0
178,Candidate league for continental B licence [UID],0
179,Candidate league for continental C licence [UID],0

When you next load the Editor, you'll see that they are no longer True/False settings.

Much appreciated, all set up now. Great stuff!

 

[xECK29x]

Most of the major issues reported on the bugs forum are confirmed fixed in the private test beta build and should be released publicly next week. Please keep reporting issues and requesting items there!

 

[BKarchitect]

Have you guys ever been able to figure out how to get European players to sign in North American professional leagues outside the NHL? I understand that there is probably something baked in where this is prevented because Euro contracts directly to the AHL or ECHL are fairly rare - but they do happen. And when I setup an NHL2 or WHA as a high-level NHL alternative league - even if the league itself is based in Europe and has European teams, North American based teams NEVER signed European players.

It appears there is something hard-coded into the game that prevents North American based non-NHL teams from signing Europeans?

 

[Beauterham]

Anyone else suddenly experiences problems with EHM? Had an update on Steam yesterday and since then the game became almost unplayable due to constant crashes. It's not a databaseissue as the game already crashes when I go from windowed to full screen in the main menu.

It's a bummer, as the game seemed a lot more stable since 1.5 beta. Is there a way to go back a version?

 

[filip85]

Anyone else suddenly experiences problems with EHM? Had an update on Steam yesterday and since then the game became almost unplayable due to constant crashes. It's not a databaseissue as the game already crashes when I go from windowed to full screen in the main menu.

It's a bummer, as the game seemed a lot more stable since 1.5 beta. Is there a way to go back a version?

Same for me. I reported problem to SI forum.

 

[NathanB]

Is there an update on the european player wages issue? I notice it is not included as a fix this time, is it being looked at at least?

 

[xECK29x]

Is there an update on the european player wages issue? I notice it is not included as a fix this time, is it being looked at at least?

Define the issue? The way the wages work is how the game works, its not an easy fix when there is no public information on wages per leagues like CapFriendly does for the NHL.

 

[xECK29x]

Anyone else suddenly experiences problems with EHM? Had an update on Steam yesterday and since then the game became almost unplayable due to constant crashes. It's not a databaseissue as the game already crashes when I go from windowed to full screen in the main menu.

It's a bummer, as the game seemed a lot more stable since 1.5 beta. Is there a way to go back a version?

If it's not already posted on the bugs forum with screenshots/details please do. The preferences crash I was able to reproduce and notified Riz. There is no way to walk back the beta build, has to be done on the backend.

 

[NathanB]

Define the issue? The way the wages work is how the game works, its not an easy fix when there is no public information on wages per leagues like CapFriendly does for the NHL.

Right but it has obviously changed since 1.4.1 as i demonstrated previously, and it has changed for the worse, even if it went back to 1.4.1 levels it would be a massive improvement. Having 80% of your team in the DEL/SHL/EBEL etc, including top foreign players, earning £7,900 a year is clearly not realistic, it doesnt need published contracts to point that out.

It kinda ruins the whole game for those who like playing in Euro leagues, budgets become meaningless when you can sign most players for whatever the minimum is, you could have the smallest budget in the league yet still sign the best team because most players are signing for a pittance

 

[xECK29x]

Right but it has obviously changed since 1.4.1 as i demonstrated previously, and it has changed for the worse, even if it went back to 1.4.1 levels it would be a massive improvement. Having 80% of your team in the DEL/SHL/EBEL etc, including top foreign players, earning £7,900 a year is clearly not realistic, it doesnt need published contracts to point that out.

It kinda ruins the whole game for those who like playing in Euro leagues, budgets become meaningless when you can sign most players for whatever the minimum is, you could have the smallest budget in the league yet still sign the best team because most players are signing for a pittance

What you are reporting is not what I'm seeing (current test of 2021-22 DB):

Honestly you guys need to work with me instead of just saying the game is broken, communicate with me, share with me how you are viewing your finances (they are stored based on YEARLY sums in USD). The spreads can be tweaked but there is only so much we can control once the game takes over. I'm happy to show you how you can tweak the financial values in the editor to test for me and give me values that work better.

 

[filip85]

This looks better than what it used to be. Still maybe some players (Aaltonen, Antipin, Asplund) are bit underpaid, but overall looks much better than in previous DB.

 

[NathanB]

From the look of it the reason you are not seeing the low values that i am is because in your DB you have set artificial limits on wages in the transfers rules, a lowest and a highest limit, where the values seem to be based off the 2112agency website.
Hence why for example Saipa have quite a lot of players on 36k because that is the lowest value set. If you remove these artificial limits you'd see the same as me.

The limits are fine i guess to counteract a poorly implemented wage system but it still isnt realistic, eg you have in the EIHL a limit of between 12k-40k i think, so in the game now no matter how rich my team becomes i cant offer any player more than 40k, not realistic

It isnt a DB issue, its the same on every DB i tried, ones that have edited the finance info and ones that havent, the values in the wages has changed massively between 1.4.1 and 1.5. See for yourself, compare the above images of your 2021 db with the game if you reverted back to 1.4.1, youll see the difference

Plus i didnt just say the game is broken thank you, i proved it was by posting the screenshots from 1.5 and 1.4.1 as a comparison a few weeks ago, as well as in the SI bugs forum with saved games. what else would you like me to do to "work with you"?

 

[xECK29x]

From the look of it the reason you are not seeing the low values that i am is because in your DB you have set artificial limits on wages in the transfers rules, a lowest and a highest limit, where the values seem to be based off the 2112agency website.
Hence why for example Saipa have quite a lot of players on 36k because that is the lowest value set. If you remove these artificial limits you'd see the same as me.

The limits are fine i guess to counteract a poorly implemented wage system but it still isnt realistic, eg you have in the EIHL a limit of between 12k-40k i think, so in the game now no matter how rich my team becomes i cant offer any player more than 40k, not realistic

It isnt a DB issue, its the same on every DB i tried, ones that have edited the finance info and ones that havent, the values in the wages has changed massively between 1.4.1 and 1.5. See for yourself, compare the above images of your 2021 db with the game if you reverted back to 1.4.1, youll see the difference

Plus i didnt just say the game is broken thank you, i proved it was by posting the screenshots from 1.5 and 1.4.1 as a comparison a few weeks ago, as well as in the SI bugs forum with saved games. what else would you like me to do to "work with you"?

So have you tried removing the limits and testing it? Are there better resources then 2112agency? I'm American I'm clearly ignorant to hockey around the world so I require people to help me out here.

I put pretty much all of my free time into this project, so sorry if I come off a little defensive.

 

[Nino33]

Is there a way to go back a version

I think so, according to the 1.5 release (six questions down) Eastside Hockey Manager 1.5 Update Public Beta Out Now!

- Go to ‘Eastside Hockey Manager’ within your Steam Library
- Right-Click on the game and select 'Properties'
- Select the 'Beta'
- Via the 'Select the beta you would like to opt into' dropdown, select 'None'

 

[Beauterham]

I think so, according to the 1.5 release (six questions down) Eastside Hockey Manager 1.5 Update Public Beta Out Now!

- Go to ‘Eastside Hockey Manager’ within your Steam Library
- Right-Click on the game and select 'Properties'
- Select the 'Beta'
- Via the 'Select the beta you would like to opt into' dropdown, select 'None'

Thanks, however I guess this will take me back to 1.4, right? I wanted to go back to the 1.5 beta version before the last update.

 

[NathanB]

So have you tried removing the limits and testing it? Are there better resources then 2112agency? I'm American I'm clearly ignorant to hockey around the world so I require people to help me out here.

I put pretty much all of my free time into this project, so sorry if I come off a little defensive.

Likewise, mine might not be public but i similarly spend most of my time on my own db, which is why i want stuff like this fixed so my time isnt wasted.

Ive removed limits, all that happens is the game then reverts to the min full time wage in the finance info as the lowest wage, so whether thats the same 30k or 10k

I like that website i think it give a good show of wages for euro leagues but its not absolute, i know of a few EIHL players who have earnt more than 40k for example which is why putting hard limits in the transfer rules when they dont exist in real life is just trying to hide the fact the game doesnt work correctly for euro wages.

The issue is more the difference between 1.4.1 and 1.5 though, my previous screenshots show the difference in spread of wages. In the screenshot you posted above for Hradec Kralove for example
, look at the proportion of players on the league minimum, out of 30 players on show all but 5 of them are at the league minimum then it suddenly jumps to 90k then 200k. In 1.4.1 this would have been more realistic i.e maybe 10 players would be at 30k with the rest gradually rising upto 200k

I think theres clearly a game issue with wages, Riz has changed something in 1.5 because as before, 1.4.1 was much more realistic

 

[Nino33]

Thanks, however I guess this will take me back to 1.4, right? I wanted to go back to the 1.5 beta version before the last update.

Ah, sorry I misundertsood. Alas that I don't think can be done

 

[BKarchitect]

Does anybody know what city "attraction" relates to in the sim - it's an editable attribute in cities under geography. Does it influence team attractiveness to players based on the team's location? Or will it produce more generated players from that city if it has a higher attraction?

 

[3074326]

I don't have any idea, but you have reminded me.. is there some workaround with the editor with corrupted files? I literally can't use it. I mean, the program runs just fine, but it corrupts every single file.

 

[xECK29x]

Does anybody know what city "attraction" relates to in the sim - it's an editable attribute in cities under geography. Does it influence team attractiveness to players based on the team's location? Or will it produce more generated players from that city if it has a higher attraction?

I believe both, attractiveness of the city and increases spawn rates of players

 

[xECK29x]

I don't have any idea, but you have reminded me.. is there some workaround with the editor with corrupted files? I literally can't use it. I mean, the program runs just fine, but it corrupts every single file.

Can you define corruption? What version of the editor are you using and can you share the DB? If you are trying to edit an older DB sometimes you have to update the header outside the Editor to make it compatible.

 

[3074326]

Can you define corruption? What version of the editor are you using and can you share the DB? If you are trying to edit an older DB sometimes you have to update the header outside the Editor to make it compatible.

I usually use your DB or the TBL one. Both are the most updated versions and I have the beta installed. I'll post the message it gives me next time I boot the game.

I really only use it to move people to change positions, so it's not a huge deal at all. Still been playing this game more than being productive. I figured that would stop after like two years, but here we are.

 

[3074326]

Load Game Error

The save game is corrupted and cannot be loaded. Debug Info: v1.5b1543067 setup..cpp 1630 (load_game_data(): unable to load game database !) This is usually caused by errors during saving or bad sectors on the hard disk.

That's the exact message when I load in EHM. Usually when stuff like this happens, it's something easy on my part.. here's hoping. I am kind of an idiot.

EDIT: Oh, forgot about this. When I click OK after that message, I get this:

Fatal

v1.5b1543067 startup_screen.cpp 487