What happened to the offense?
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Once they can play a tight defensive game without thinking about it, they will be able to play a fluid offensive game without thinking about it. An experienced, legit 2nd liner and a bigish, skilled-ish 4/5 D would go a long way to building us a contender’s offense, but most of the answers will come from that internal shift.
IMO it’s a combination of a bunch of things
1. I think the roster is still somewhat poorly constructed, though it’s better than last year. Chabot is phenomenal in transition, but he’s not great in the o-zone. What you need from the #2 dman to complement Sanderson is someone that can really drive offence from the backend and is a real shot threat. Chabot is, on a true contender, probably a #3 imo. Not elite offensively, not elite defensively, but as of this season solid all around. Hopefully Yak can be that eventually.
2. Our top 6 have no chemistry. We are missing a true play-driving star level player up front. Don’t know where we are gonna get that. I think our forwards are talented but when you’re missing a piece people end up being slotted incorrectly. Alternatively more speed on the wing and offensive depth would be a decent substitute for the time being.
3. Green knows we are not a high-end offensive team so he’s overcompensating by having us essentially playing above our heads defensively. I think this will level out as they adjust some of the roster over the years and as the players get more accustomed to the system.
4. Some of this recent stretch is probably just bad luck.
1. I think the roster is still somewhat poorly constructed, though it’s better than last year. Chabot is phenomenal in transition, but he’s not great in the o-zone. What you need from the #2 dman to complement Sanderson is someone that can really drive offence from the backend and is a real shot threat. Chabot is, on a true contender, probably a #3 imo. Not elite offensively, not elite defensively, but as of this season solid all around. Hopefully Yak can be that eventually.
2. Our top 6 have no chemistry. We are missing a true play-driving star level player up front. Don’t know where we are gonna get that. I think our forwards are talented but when you’re missing a piece people end up being slotted incorrectly. Alternatively more speed on the wing and offensive depth would be a decent substitute for the time being.
3. Green knows we are not a high-end offensive team so he’s overcompensating by having us essentially playing above our heads defensively. I think this will level out as they adjust some of the roster over the years and as the players get more accustomed to the system.
4. Some of this recent stretch is probably just bad luck.
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There's some bad luck, some regression and non-Toronto teams are tightening up a lot and the Senators aren't completely used to this tight-checking playoff-style stuff. On top of that, wondering if Ullmark being out is taxing on the players, like gripping sticks too tight.
Anyway, Saturday is Toronto so goal party inc.
Anyway, Saturday is Toronto so goal party inc.
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They are being coached to be an extremely low-event team at 5-on-5. Look at the numbers:
xGF/60 - 2.33 [24th]
xGA/60 - 2.27 [6th]
Scoring Chances/60 - 25.6 [21st]
Scoring Chances Against/60 - 25.13 [11th]
High Danger Chances/60 - 9.29 [28th]
High Danger Chances Against/60 - 9.84 [10th]
They generate very little and they concede very little. The change from previous seasons is actually remarkable, even if it's kind of boring to watch. It's also probably worth noting that they're 31st in the NHL at 5-on-5 SH%, and are 28th in all-strength SH%.
Under DJ they would score off the rush almost exclusively, but they can't do that anymore because of the demands of the new defensive structure. So they're going to have to find a way to get the puck off the boards and into the slot. Apparently they're 28th in the league in rebound chances. Probably really low in slot shots as well, but that's just a guess.
xGF/60 - 2.33 [24th]
xGA/60 - 2.27 [6th]
Scoring Chances/60 - 25.6 [21st]
Scoring Chances Against/60 - 25.13 [11th]
High Danger Chances/60 - 9.29 [28th]
High Danger Chances Against/60 - 9.84 [10th]
They generate very little and they concede very little. The change from previous seasons is actually remarkable, even if it's kind of boring to watch. It's also probably worth noting that they're 31st in the NHL at 5-on-5 SH%, and are 28th in all-strength SH%.
Under DJ they would score off the rush almost exclusively, but they can't do that anymore because of the demands of the new defensive structure. So they're going to have to find a way to get the puck off the boards and into the slot. Apparently they're 28th in the league in rebound chances. Probably really low in slot shots as well, but that's just a guess.
Lots of good points made already, here's another potential factor: playing through injuries.
- Norris not shooting as often, and not being set up for shots as often, cannot be (solely) due to everyone being dumb. A shoulder is clearly still missing in action.
- Stutzle has not returned to being the dynamo he was two years ago. By now he should be even better than that! I bet he's far from 100%.
- Brady is still playing his physical style, but we haven't seen him park himself in front of the net as much. Again, this cannot be (solely) due to everyone being dumb. If the coach is not putting him there or he's unwilling to play there, there must be some physical limitation, not sure what it is.
- Chabot has his head (up his arse and) inside an aquarium; this can't be helping with quick decision-making.
- Jensen missing practice recently, and not playing the rest of the game.
- Sanderson missing today altogether, and not playing up to his standard all season.
- Giroux suddenly got old. Perron is old.
Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
DrEasy's Razor: "Do not attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by injury."
- Norris not shooting as often, and not being set up for shots as often, cannot be (solely) due to everyone being dumb. A shoulder is clearly still missing in action.
- Stutzle has not returned to being the dynamo he was two years ago. By now he should be even better than that! I bet he's far from 100%.
- Brady is still playing his physical style, but we haven't seen him park himself in front of the net as much. Again, this cannot be (solely) due to everyone being dumb. If the coach is not putting him there or he's unwilling to play there, there must be some physical limitation, not sure what it is.
- Chabot has his head (up his arse and) inside an aquarium; this can't be helping with quick decision-making.
- Jensen missing practice recently, and not playing the rest of the game.
- Sanderson missing today altogether, and not playing up to his standard all season.
- Giroux suddenly got old. Perron is old.
Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
DrEasy's Razor: "Do not attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by injury."
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Rotating Gaudette, Amadio, Cousins, Greig in top line/top 6 is part of the problem. Even Giroux at this point but he at least has hockey IQ and experience to his advantage. Perron at 2nd PP is far from ideal.
And there is no internal solution with Halliday, Reinhardt and Crookshank being the best that offensive depth can offer. Montgomery/Moore are far from sure things and at least 2-3 years from being ready.
This team needs to bring top line scoring winger ideally 2 of them asap and I admit I don't know how to make it possible cap wise but I am also not being paid to know.
137 minutes (almost 7 periods) without scoring single goal and being shutout 5 of the last 11 games in the most crucial part of the season when race for wild card is that tight.
And there is no internal solution with Halliday, Reinhardt and Crookshank being the best that offensive depth can offer. Montgomery/Moore are far from sure things and at least 2-3 years from being ready.
This team needs to bring top line scoring winger ideally 2 of them asap and I admit I don't know how to make it possible cap wise but I am also not being paid to know.
137 minutes (almost 7 periods) without scoring single goal and being shutout 5 of the last 11 games in the most crucial part of the season when race for wild card is that tight.
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This team is constructed poorly. Some of it is Dorion with his overpay on contracts, but Staios also brought offensive duds into the lineup like Amadio, Perron, and Gregor.
Pinto also only has 8 goals in 40 games now.
Greig only has 6 goals in 45 games.
Pinto also only has 8 goals in 40 games now.
Greig only has 6 goals in 45 games.
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They are not playing a 5 men unit hockey
They are not moving their feet
The forecheck is soft
They are not moving their feet
The forecheck is soft
Partially yes, but we also got shutout too much with Norris.
But Norris takes a lot of d-zone draws and plays hard minutes. Even when he’s not producing, he’s freeing up Pinto and others to take on lower competition and feast on them.
He’s also our best shot threat, wins a lot of faceoffs, really good on the PK. I generally think this is a way different team when Norris is on vs having an off night.
I take pride in being patient but I’m starting to get concerned.
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We lost offensive personnel.
Lost debrincat without effectively replacing his offense.
Lost chychrun without effectively replacing his offense.
Giroux is losing a step...haven't replace his offense.
Lost formenton...haven't replace his offense.
These things add up and take a toll over time.
Everyone was raving about how we got better defensively for this year, and I agreed, but I raised concern about how our offense might be worse and be a problem...people brushed me off.
Well, our offense is a problem. I was right.
You can't just keep replacing offensive players with defensive players and expect the offense to keep up.
We were supposed to replace our offensive guys with guys equally as offensive, but better defensively to get IMPROVEMENTs...trading offense for defense is just a wash. We need to improve.
Lost debrincat without effectively replacing his offense.
Lost chychrun without effectively replacing his offense.
Giroux is losing a step...haven't replace his offense.
Lost formenton...haven't replace his offense.
These things add up and take a toll over time.
Everyone was raving about how we got better defensively for this year, and I agreed, but I raised concern about how our offense might be worse and be a problem...people brushed me off.
Well, our offense is a problem. I was right.
You can't just keep replacing offensive players with defensive players and expect the offense to keep up.
We were supposed to replace our offensive guys with guys equally as offensive, but better defensively to get IMPROVEMENTs...trading offense for defense is just a wash. We need to improve.
what happened to the offence? They stopped shooting the puck.
Since January 1 - 27th in the league in shots per 60. high danger 9.2
Per January 1 - 6th in the league in shots per 60. High danger 10.63
You look at last night. 32 seconds of 5 -3 and then the remaining 5 on 4. And the announcers say the Sens got one shot. They had the puck. They zipped it around the outside. They just didn't shoot it. 5 on 3. Rip it at the net. You've got two sticks to one on the rebound.
A lot of the problem to me is looking for that perfect play where there's a back door empty net tap in type play that makes the plays of the week. The NHL is a game of greasy goals. And they are playing with their tutus on looking for the perfect play
I know the NHL had an incident earlier this month where a goal was scored without a shot but we are taking it to the extreme.
Since January 1 - 27th in the league in shots per 60. high danger 9.2
Per January 1 - 6th in the league in shots per 60. High danger 10.63
You look at last night. 32 seconds of 5 -3 and then the remaining 5 on 4. And the announcers say the Sens got one shot. They had the puck. They zipped it around the outside. They just didn't shoot it. 5 on 3. Rip it at the net. You've got two sticks to one on the rebound.
A lot of the problem to me is looking for that perfect play where there's a back door empty net tap in type play that makes the plays of the week. The NHL is a game of greasy goals. And they are playing with their tutus on looking for the perfect play
I know the NHL had an incident earlier this month where a goal was scored without a shot but we are taking it to the extreme.
When can they practice. 12 games in 20 days + travel days + mandatory off days.
Xspyrit
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Same thing as I have repeated for years, we couldn't afford to spend that much time playing DJ DORION HOCKEY, it leaves its traces
Now are these players "salvageable" for 2-way hockey? Maybe most of them will need a change of scenery.
Now are these players "salvageable" for 2-way hockey? Maybe most of them will need a change of scenery.
Without Ullmark, this team protects their goaltenders at the expense of offense. I expect things to naturally open up offensively when he returns - the scorers will be able to exhale and play their games.
Coach Green tightened up their play around Leevi, as he's an AHL backup. To his credit, he's played well, although instances like the Washington game where he had a shutout through 60 show how much offense was sacrificed to maintain that defensive balance.
And with Forsy in goal, this roster plays like they're afraid to make mistakes. They are rigid and predictable, because they either have to score a touchdown, or put up a shutout to assure a win, and the shutout is more probable.
Mark my words. Ullmark's return will influence an uptick in scoring.
Coach Green tightened up their play around Leevi, as he's an AHL backup. To his credit, he's played well, although instances like the Washington game where he had a shutout through 60 show how much offense was sacrificed to maintain that defensive balance.
And with Forsy in goal, this roster plays like they're afraid to make mistakes. They are rigid and predictable, because they either have to score a touchdown, or put up a shutout to assure a win, and the shutout is more probable.
Mark my words. Ullmark's return will influence an uptick in scoring.
This is a fair point, in December we typically scored 3+ every game until we lost Ullmark. Only two games where we had 2 goals and none with less.
That’s when everyone started going really cold so it might not be a coincidence, although if I remember correctly we were getting a good amount of secondary scoring, but less from our stars during Ullmark’s December performances. I don’t think they were in this much of a rut but still worth noting that they started slowing down before all this.
PP has been bad, but that might just be them losing confidence and it bleeding into their decision-making.
Edit: although another thing to add - it seems like we struggle to score moreso when we’re down vs when we’re winning. Ullmark was often letting nothing by him til the end of the game so we were typically playing with a lead or at least tied. I’m not sure why we suck when we go down a goal, maybe it’s mental.
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