Value of: Dylan Larkin

[AZviaNJ]

Isn't the question what he re-signs for in Detroit? He's not getting traded.

Horvat recent contract is a good comp: 8x8.5 sounds perfect

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I was basing it off of the Horvat deal

Sillinger Boqvist and 2024 1st (top5 protection) I would maybe do

Why do you think Ceulemans is overrated? Wheeler came out with the CBJ prospect ranking and had Cuelemans as one of the top RHD prospects.

Horvat was traded from the west to the east.

Larkin is being traded within division or conference, So you can't do the Horvat trade. it's two different circumstances.

Does anyone here actually think that if Horvat was dealt to Seattle. The price would be the same as the Islanders. The answer is no Seattle would be paying a higher premium just because he was dealt within the division.

 

[Cowumbus]

Horvat was traded from the west to the east.

Larkin is being traded within division or conference, So you can't do the Horvat trade. it's two different circumstances.

Im not sure that I agree.

Does anyone here actually think that if Horvat was dealt to Seattle. The price would be the same as the Islanders. The answer is no Seattle would be paying a higher premium just because he was dealt within the division.

I think trades in conference, and in division cost the same as ones out of conference.

Atkinson, Gaborik, Voracek, Nash trades come to mind. I don’t think those teams had to pay any more than other teams, they were just willing to meet the desired price.

If Pittsburgh wants Gavrikov at the TDL, I’m not expecting them to pay more than Toronto or a team like Seattle.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Im not sure that I agree.

I think trades in conference, and in division cost the same as ones out of conference.

Atkinson, Gaborik, Voracek, Nash trades come to mind. I don’t think those teams had to pay any more than other teams, they were just willing to meet the desired price.

If Pittsburgh wants Gavrikov at the TDL, I’m not expecting them to pay more than Toronto or a team like Seattle.

You really comparing Gavrikov to Larkin?

 

[Cowumbus]

You really comparing Gavrikov to Larkin?

Clearly not, and to think so is almost laughable. TBH I think you shifting the discussion to this is you being a straw man.

I am comparing them in the sense that if they were being traded due to them not being re-signed by their current teams, the conference/division they are going to has little to no impact on their value. They would be traded to the the team offering the most.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Clearly not, and to think so is almost laughable. TBH I think you shifting the discussion to this is you being a straw man.

I am comparing them in the sense that if they were being traded due to them not being re-signed by their current teams, the conference/division they are going to has little to no impact on their value. They would be traded to the the team offering the most.

That dude is full on delusional. He is very clearly the red wings version of a crazy leafs fan.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

he's going to retire and Detroit will be retiring the offensive-zone blueline in his honour

Not going to get into the mud slinging, but that's just funny.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Yzerman might care about an interconference consideration the least among GMs. St. Louis and Mantha were sent to Metro. Drouin was a major interdvision trade. Coburn and McDonagh were buys from in conference.

That’s a pretty weak justification for an ask.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Knies is a B prospect that Leaf fans have overhyped now that they know Robertson ain’t shit.

Knies isn’t worth Larkin’s jock strap.

larkin is just an overhyped high-end 2c. 1st round pick is the main piece.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Are you paying Holl? I know most Leaf fans on the main boards don’t understand this but he might be the best defenseman on the team. He plays top pair minutes on what has been a pretty great defensive team. He’s going to get paid.

And before one of you replies with “he will get replaced with Timmy or Sandin”, you’re out of your mind if you think either of those two is anywhere near as good as Holl.

Liljegren through progression will be the one to replace holls minutes, especially on the pk. Holl is solid but he's certainly not irreplaceable.

 

[Oddbob]

knies isnt needed. this is larkin were talking about. unless you're looking to move seider the 2023 1st is the main piece.

cap could be tricky. but dubas could figure it out.

Knies is not that highly ranked a prospect. Just because he is the Leafs top prospect doesn't mean he is highly rated league wide. Late 2nd round pick, who has normal good college stats.

I'd take the 6 x 4! lol. Anyone who makes 100k a year out there....it would take you 240 years to earn 24 mil.

Perspective.

I agree with your points though.

You wouldn't take 6 x 4 if you know nearly 32 teams would pay that and much more though. I would take 250,000 a year to play hockey, but that is because I make nowhere close to that, so that is a boatload to play a game.

 

[Oddbob]

It is a good comparable, but I'm not sure Sandin is of need, LHD is a position of strength in the organization. Swap Sandin for Liljegren maybe? Even then, I'm not sure it would be the best offer, especially in division.

Is it really a position of strength. Chiarot, Walman and Maatta, plus Edvinsson is not some embarrassment of riches. That said, no interest in Sandin as he is no better than Walman from what I see. The rest of our prospects will all be less valuable than we hope with the exception of maybe one becoming anything significant.

no one else on the wings is worth moving knies for at the moment. if you want knies you have to give to get.

larkin for the 1st, 3rd and a prospect like niemela might be the top offer. with retention obviously.

Only in TO is Knies some highly touted prospect. Every team in the league that has drafted top 20 in the past 5 years, have 2-5 guys more valuable than him. Leafs fans are overrating him because he is the top guy in their prospect pool. He is good prospect sure, but not even in the top 30 players for potential right now.

 

[Bfan14]

Unclear why deal not done yet.
I'm sensing 8.6 x 5
longer term 7.75 x 8

so #s suggest longer term around 8,25

Very little reason for him to get less than Horvat now unless he takes a hometown discount.

Could certainly happen with him being C of his childhood team

 

[StreetHawk]

Knies is not that highly ranked a prospect. Just because he is the Leafs top prospect doesn't mean he is highly rated league wide. Late 2nd round pick, who has normal good college stats.



You wouldn't take 6 x 4 if you know nearly 32 teams would pay that and much more though. I would take 250,000 a year to play hockey, but that is because I make nowhere close to that, so that is a boatload to play a game.

Once you see what your peers make you’d want to be compensated at the level you believe that your worth is. Doesn’t matter the profession.

This is what nhlers who are approaching ufa get. Reality of their industry. Nba players who get the super max deal are getting $40 mill plus a season. Top QBs are into that range as well.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Once you see what your peers make you’d want to be compensated at the level you believe that your worth is. Doesn’t matter the profession.

This is what nhlers who are approaching ufa get. Reality of their industry. Nba players who get the super max deal are getting $40 mill plus a season. Top QBs are into that range as well.

The primary difference is gate driven revenue. I also hope the NHL never becomes the NBA or NFL.

 

[bernmeister]

Very little reason for him to get less than Horvat now unless he takes a hometown discount.

Could certainly happen with him being C of his childhood team

agreed, if cap not an issue he'd get > 9/9+

 

[TS Quint]

Liljegren through progression will be the one to replace holls minutes, especially on the pk. Holl is solid but he's certainly not irreplaceable.

He’s not replaceable by Timmy. That’s ridiculous.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

He’s not replaceable by Timmy. That’s ridiculous.

No your assessment is ridiculous. Like I said Holl doesn't deserve the crap he gets, he's a solid 4 or 5. Not a 2 or a 3 that can change a D core.

 

[TS Quint]

No your assessment is ridiculous. Like I said Holl doesn't deserve the crap he gets, he's a solid 4 or 5. Not a 2 or a 3 that can change a D core.

Timmy will never be as good as Holl is today. Timmy isn’t leap frogging 4 players in the Leafs without that being a big downgrade.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Timmy will never be as good as Holl is today. Timmy isn’t leap frogging 4 players in the Leafs without that being a big downgrade.

Your assessment is pretty bad considering Timmy is an overall better player then Holl right now. I don't know if maybe you are related to holl but he isn't as good as you claim and lacks the consistency year to year to be a really good top 4 D.

 

[TS Quint]

Your assessment is pretty bad considering Timmy is an overall better player then Holl right now. I don't know if maybe you are related to holl but he isn't as good as you claim and lacks the consistency year to year to be a really good top 4 D.

Yeah, you are arguing agains real life results with Holl playing top pair on a pretty good defensive team with hope and prayers that suddenly Timmy is better. They better fire Dubas and Keefe if your thoughts and prayers are going to come true.

If what insiders say is true (debatable) and the Leafs pick up a defenseman and they get healthy Timmy is fighting for his life just to stay in the line up. Holl will still be a a top pair on the team.

So many Leafs fans are in denial to what is actually happening on the team To make them successful. it sure isn’t their bottom pair defensemen. But pLaY tHe YoUtH!!!!!

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yeah, you are arguing agains real life results with Holl playing top pair on a pretty good defensive team with hope and prayers that suddenly Timmy is better. They better fire Dubas and Keefe if your thoughts and prayers are going to come true.

If what insiders say is true (debatable) and the Leafs pick up a defenseman and they get healthy Timmy is fighting for his life just to stay in the line up. Holl will still be a a top pair on the team.

So many Leafs fans are in denial to what is actually happening on the team To make them successful. it sure isn’t their bottom pair defensemen. But pLaY tHe YoUtH!!!!!

You can make all the claims you like, but until you can actually prove it with stats all you are doing is giving an opinion and not a very good one at that.

 

[My3Sons]

It's hard to see Larkin getting moved. The only teams I could see Detroit trading him to are teams where the cap is such that he has to be a rental. I'm not sure if a team like that offers enough to make it worthwhile for Detroit. Something tells me that if Larkin does get to UFA he leaves if Yzerman won't come close to the market offer. Yzerman isn't an idiot and won't want Larkin to have a fun playoff run elsewhere and maybe develop a wandering eye.

 

[izlez]

That dude is full on delusional. He is very clearly the red wings version of a crazy leafs fan.

He's talking with a leafs fan that is saying Knies is more valuable than Seider, and you're calling HIM delusional??

EDIT: I guess I misread where he said no one ELSE on the wings is worth Knies. Still, holy shit.

 

[TS Quint]

You can make all the claims you like, but until you can actually prove it with stats all you are doing is giving an opinion and not a very good one at that.

Claims? Are the Leafs not a top defensive team? Can’t you open NHL.com? Do you need help?

You provide nothing but fan boy wishes for a player who has proven nothing. He’s going to be on the edge of the press box with a pick up of a defensman at the deadline. Compared to the guy who is actually successfully doing it in the top pair.

Way too many Leafs fans are too proud to spout their ignorance of ”their team”.