Value of: Dylan Larkin

[Homesick]

Does anyone really think he's moving anywhere? I love to bicker about trades as much as anyone but I just don't see this one having any legs.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

7 years and counting out of the playoffs and this mf talking about joke franchises.

Duh no cup in 55+ years, No 2nd round playoffs in 19 years. Sorry under any circumstances that franchise would be considered a joke.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Not without Knies they don't, And they don't have the cap space to sign him.

knies isnt needed. this is larkin were talking about. unless you're looking to move seider the 2023 1st is the main piece.

cap could be tricky. but dubas could figure it out.

 

[Chet Manley]

Does anyone really think he's moving anywhere? I love to bicker about trades as much as anyone but I just don't see this one having any legs.

With a full NTC there isn't much to speculate about.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Holy shit. There is something called a salary cap . That and where are you getting all these assets to trade for Meier AND Larkin???
And what’s to say that Detroit is willing to trade Larkin to Toronto? Why would they trade him within the division unless there is a hefty premium attached. Other teams will pay the alie of an extended Meier. Leafs canno extend him unless Nylander is moved next season . I don’t get how people think it’s realistic to add Meier and Larkin. May as well add Kane and Saros while you are at it.

I never stated both, I said they are 1a and 1b, you read that as both. Also Leafs could fit either one and all they would need to do is move brodie and Murray before next season begins. Instead of going on what you thought I said you could have just asked to clarify but you didn't because you needed to rant about somthing. On a final note if teams are willing to pay more for a ufa Larkin then I posted good luck to them.

 

[wintersej]

I never stated both, I said they are 1a and 1b, you read that as both. Also Leafs could fit either one and all they would need to do is move brodie and Murray before next season begins. Instead of going on what you thought I said you could have just asked to clarify but you didn't because you needed to rant about somthing. On a final note if teams are willing to pay more for a ufa Larkin then I posted good luck to them.

I appreciate the just double down on committing to forwards over defense and goaltending and hope this is the direction the Leafs take.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Does anyone really think he's moving anywhere? I love to bicker about trades as much as anyone but I just don't see this one having any legs.

Yzerman played hard ball with Stamkos and he stayed. But this time around, not sure it works out. Wings are not Tampa so I'm curious to see how this plays out for Yzerman this time around.

If Larkin really likes it in Detroit, he can sign for 8x $8.5M like Hintz and Horvat. So many players think they are better than others when they are close. Dubois is another. These are very good centers who can produce 60-80 pts on average but want to be paid as a 80-100 pts center like Kadri. I dislike greedy players in a salary cap. It's selfish IMO and it hurts the teams chances at being competitive in the cap.

8x $8M or $8.5M or $9M. Leave a little on the table if you really do want to win. What's the problem? Not enough money to be set for life? Come on now. Wings are not asking him to take $6M for 4 years.

 

[waitin425]

Yzerman played hard ball with Stamkos and he stayed. But this time around, not sure it works out. Wings are not Tampa so I'm curious to see how this plays out for Yzerman this time around.

If Larkin really likes it in Detroit, he can sign for 8x $8.5M like Hintz and Horvat. So many players think they are better than others when they are close. Dubois is another. These are very good centers who can produce 60-80 pts on average but want to be paid as a 80-100 pts center like Kadri. I dislike greedy players in a salary cap. It's selfish IMO and it hurts the teams chances at being competitive in the cap.

8x $8M or $8.5M or $9M. Leave a little on the table if you really do want to win. What's the problem? Not enough money to be set for life? Come on now. Wings are not asking him to take $6M for 4 years.

I'd take the 6 x 4! lol. Anyone who makes 100k a year out there....it would take you 240 years to earn 24 mil.

Perspective.

I agree with your points though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd take the 6 x 4! lol. Anyone who makes 100k a year out there....it would take you 240 years to earn 24 mil.

Perspective.

I agree with your points though.

We would take that money for sure. But the point is I really don't see the point of fighting over the difference between $64M and $72M. $8M difference is a lot of money but so is $64M. That $8M difference means more for the agent than the player IMO.

So I always ask this... Is the player greedy and trying to max out or does he really care about winning and helping their team? Guys like MacKinnon, Markar, McDavid, Matthews can handle taking max deals cause they are stars. Guys like Larkin are only putting themselves in high pressure situations going after $9M+ vs $8M.

 

[waitin425]

We would take that money for sure. But the point is I really don't see the point of fighting over the difference between $64M and $72M. $8M difference is a lot of money but so is $64M. That $8M difference means more for the agent than the player IMO.

So I always ask this... Is the player greedy and trying to max out or does he really care about winning and helping their team? Guys like MacKinnon, Markar, McDavid, Matthews can handle taking max deals. Guys like Larkin are only putting themselves in high pressure situations going after $9M+ vs $8M.

Exact reason why I love the Suzuki deal....and hope for a similar deal for Caufield and *fingers crossed* PLD.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exact reason why I love the Suzuki deal....and hope for a similar deal for Caufield and *fingers crossed* PLD.

I don't see Caufield getting more than J Hughes. $7.5M for 8 years seems fair to me. Or matching the Suzuki contract.

Not sure what Dubois asks for. If he asks for $9M - $10M, my interest is less. A lot of of fans say wait till he is UFA and sign him for free in the summer of 24 but agents are going to be all over that new cap for 24/25 when they know what it actually will be. Right now, it's speculation so get your guy singed now is what I say. Agents are going to make GM's take fits with the growing cap narrative and the starting point for 24/25 might be $90M cap. A 7 or 8 year deal might be a $100M+ cap in the 5-8 year span.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Do Leafs fans ACTUALLY think they're a destination for Larkin, let alone after only giving up a 1st and some spare parts?

 

[Mister Ed]

Id do a top 12 protected first, Knies and Sandin for him if im Toronto. Does Detroit bite?

It is a good comparable, but I'm not sure Sandin is of need, LHD is a position of strength in the organization. Swap Sandin for Liljegren maybe? Even then, I'm not sure it would be the best offer, especially in division.

 

[Cowumbus]

Roslovic + Cuelemans + 2024 1st (top5 protected) for Larkin?

 

[bert]

It is a good comparable, but I'm not sure Sandin is of need, LHD is a position of strength in the organization. Swap Sandin for Liljegren maybe? Even then, I'm not sure it would be the best offer, especially in division.

To me there is a massive difference between Liljegren and Sandin. Don't think Toronto does that.

 

[Linds]

Does anyone really think he's moving anywhere? I love to bicker about trades as much as anyone but I just don't see this one having any legs.


He should have been resigned by now if it was mutual from both sides

 

[StreetHawk]

Exact reason why I love the Suzuki deal....and hope for a similar deal for Caufield and *fingers crossed* PLD.

Larkin is a complete UFA. Suzuki was RFA for half of his new contract. NHL CBA is designed to pay guys for their UFA years. How it works.

The difference between being able to sign for 8 vs 7 years, probably puts that 8th an final year cash wise at around half the AAV value. If Larkin is holding firm for a Horvat deal at $68 million, he'd need to secure closer to $9.25 mill AAV over 7 years to get him to $64.75 mill to leave him $3.25 mill when he's 35 to find a 1 year deal for that kind of money. Can't expect to get the same $68 mill over 7 years to the tune of $9.7 mill AAV.

For the Wings, what other options do they have at C coming?

Easy part is to tear a team down and secure draft picks. Another to sign your guys when they hit UFA and build a roster.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

knies isnt needed. this is larkin were talking about. unless you're looking to move seider the 2023 1st is the main piece.

cap could be tricky. but dubas could figure it out.

You're delusional if you honestly think that Knies would be a piece for Seider only. It would cost 100 Knies for Seider. And Yzerman still says no.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Roslovic + Cuelemans + 2024 1st (top5 protected) for Larkin?

Roslovic is a worthless 3C Cuelemans is so overrated and no 2024 1st protection.

Try more like Johnson/Sillinger+Boqvist+20241st round pick+2023 2nd round pick for an extended Larkin 8 x $8,950,000 so he can play with his buddy Zach.

 

[dirtydanglez]

You're delusional if you honestly think that Knies would be a piece for Seider only. It would cost 100 Knies for Seider. And Yzerman still says no.

no one else on the wings is worth moving knies for at the moment. if you want knies you have to give to get.

larkin for the 1st, 3rd and a prospect like niemela might be the top offer. with retention obviously.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

no one else on the wings is worth moving knies for at the moment. if you want knies you have to give to get.

larkin for the 1st, 3rd and a prospect like niemela might be the top offer. with retention obviously.

Larkin ($3,050,000) > > > > > Niemela+2023 1st round pick 26th-30th+2024 2nd round pick within the division is None of those pieces remotely interest us to move Larkin to a division foe. And Knies was a late 2nd round pick don't make him out like he's some high blue chip prospect.

 

[Muffin]

Roslovic is a worthless 3C Cuelemans is so overrated and no 2024 1st protection.

Try more like Johnson/Sillinger+Boqvist+20241st round pick+2023 2nd round pick for an extended Larkin 8 x $8,950,000 so he can play with his buddy Zach.

You're out to lunch. Look at what Horvat just got. 0% chance Johnson/Sillinger is available.

 

[TS Quint]

knies isnt needed. this is larkin were talking about. unless you're looking to move seider the 2023 1st is the main piece.

cap could be tricky. but dubas could figure it out.

Knies is a B prospect that Leaf fans have overhyped now that they know Robertson ain’t shit.

Knies isn’t worth Larkin’s jock strap.

 

[TS Quint]

I never stated both, I said they are 1a and 1b, you read that as both. Also Leafs could fit either one and all they would need to do is move brodie and Murray before next season begins. Instead of going on what you thought I said you could have just asked to clarify but you didn't because you needed to rant about somthing. On a final note if teams are willing to pay more for a ufa Larkin then I posted good luck to them.

Are you paying Holl? I know most Leaf fans on the main boards don’t understand this but he might be the best defenseman on the team. He plays top pair minutes on what has been a pretty great defensive team. He’s going to get paid.

And before one of you replies with “he will get replaced with Timmy or Sandin”, you’re out of your mind if you think either of those two is anywhere near as good as Holl.

 

[Cowumbus]

Roslovic is a worthless 3C Cuelemans is so overrated and no 2024 1st protection.

Try more like Johnson/Sillinger+Boqvist+20241st round pick+2023 2nd round pick for an extended Larkin 8 x $8,950,000 so he can play with his buddy Zach.

I was basing it off of the Horvat deal

Sillinger Boqvist and 2024 1st (top5 protection) I would maybe do*

*CBJ need to get a C in 2023 draft to do so

Why do you think Ceulemans is overrated? Wheeler came out with the CBJ prospect ranking and had Cuelemans as one of the top RHD prospects.