Value of: Dylan Larkin

[Boom Boom Apathy]

exactly = teams can lose franchise making players for nothing , a ridiculous system . but the league doesnt care because the same amount of money still comes into the nhl , it just goes to the team that signs the ufa and improves . the fans that pay to back the red wings get ripped off .

What? Teams get to draft players and they are pretty much beholden to that team for 8 years, including their most prime years. Why should a player have to stay with a team longer than 8 years just because they were drafted by the team? That's nonsense.

This isn't the NHL making a "ridiculous system", this is the NHL and the players association negotiating a labor agreement. I guarantee you the NHL would like to not have free agency at all. The players association (rightfully so) are the ones pushing for it.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Fine and Larkin won't be playing in Toronto then.

leafs have as good a shot as anyone.

 

[deca guard]

What? Teams get to draft players and they are pretty much beholden to that team for 8 years, including their most prime years. Why should a player have to stay with a team longer than 8 years just because they were drafted by the team? That's nonsense.

This isn't the NHL making a "ridiculous system", this is the NHL and the players association negotiating a labor agreement. I guarantee you the NHL would like to not have free agency at all. The players association (rightfully so) are the ones pushing for it.

i guess you missed the part about them being able to go ufa ? this isnt like a normal business where a company can hire anybody they want . an nhl 'company' has to PAY a very important draft pick asset to draft / hire a player . ford or gm dont have to pay an extremely important to their success asset to hire somebody . then that asset a team PAYED for can be lost for nothing

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

i guess you missed the part about them being able to go ufa ? this isnt like a normal business where a company can hire anybody they want . an nhl 'company' has to PAY a very important draft pick asset to draft / hire a player . ford or gm dont have to pay an extremely important to their success asset to hire somebody . then that asset a team PAYED for can be lost for nothing

I didn't miss anything.

1) the NHL and NHLPA negotiated the deal that defines the rules. Players want this.
2) For the most part, You get 8 YEARS of a player after you draft him. Quit acting like you are "losing him for nothing". You got 8 years of his service and they are his prime years. If you want to keep his service longer, then make it worth it, either by paying him enough or making sure your team is attractive enough to stay.
3) Drafting a player doesn't make him an indentured servant. He should not be held to 1 team for his entire NHL career. 8 years is plenty.
4) If you don't want to lose him for "nothing", then trade him before he can go to UFA

I get it, you're emotional because a star player from your team may move on, it happens to all of us and will continue to happen. Get over it.

Funny that Fans never bitch when a team decides to "cut bait" on a player and trade him wherever they want, even though they drafted him because "it's a business". But when a player leaves, "it's unfair" or "he's only chasing the money", etc...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And to be clear, I know there's a very good chance, like with Hamilton, Trocheck, Niedderreiter, etc... that my team will be losing some very good players they have invested in over time. Aho, Pesce, Slavin (all drafted) and Skjei, TT (who we traded assets for to obtain) are all going to be UFAs in the next 2 seasons. We'll lose some of them for sure.

 

[wintersej]

i guess you missed the part about them being able to go ufa ? this isnt like a normal business where a company can hire anybody they want . an nhl 'company' has to PAY a very important draft pick asset to draft / hire a player . ford or gm dont have to pay an extremely important to their success asset to hire somebody . then that asset a team PAYED for can be lost for nothing

I don’t think you have really thought out the idea of comparing a regular business to sports at all.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

leafs have as good a shot as anyone.

Not at that offer they don't Yzerman won't trade Larkin unless it's massive overpay. He'll let him walk before he takes scraps for him.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Not at that offer they don't Yzerman won't trade Larkin unless it's massive overpay. He'll let him walk before he takes scraps for him.

yea that works too. leafs can take him for free it that suits yzerman

 

[ACC1224]

Or.... Or... he likes playing with really talented players and he had fun during the All-Star break with it. He played with P. Kane at the Jim Johansson exhibition and seemed to have a blast... He didn't seem to be stumping to go to Chicago. Larkin's just a dude who likes playing hockey at a high level.

Of course not. No one would want to go from one rebuild to another.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

yea that works too. leafs can take him for free it that suits yzerman

Yeah sure and you can pay Larkin $10,000,000+ and kiss goodbye any chance of resigning Matthews and Nylander. Because obviously you can't afford all 3.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

teams spending thee extremely important asset of a draft pick which is their life blood that they can then lose through no fault of their own isnt a problem to you ??

Yeah, the NHLPA doesn't give a shit about that. Nor should they.

It's not a problem in the slightest. Frankly, I would actually go the other way and think RFA is too much control and too adversely hits contracts.

 

[ZDH]

leafs have as good a shot as anyone.

You're salary cap situation/prospect pool say otherwise.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yeah sure and you can pay Larkin $10,000,000+ and kiss goodbye any chance of resigning Matthews and Nylander. Because obviously you can't afford all 3.

shouldn't cost more than $9m.

You're salary cap situation/prospect pool say otherwise.

leafs easily have the prospects for larkin. the main piece going back would be the 2023 1st anyway.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

shouldn't cost more than $9m.



leafs easily have the prospects for larkin. the main piece going back would be the 2023 1st anyway.

Dude he just turned down 8mx8 to remain in Detroit, He's not signing for 9mx7 and taking less on the open market. If he wants 8x9m to remain in Detroit that comes to 7x10.35 on the open market.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

leafs have as good a shot as anyone.

With what? You don't even have the money to sign Larkin for what he'll command. Good luck if you honestly think he'd sign for $9,000,000 per on the open market. Detroit holds the leverage with the 8th year others can only offer 7 so his AAV will be much higher on the open market than from hometown Detroit.

 

[Djp]

What? Teams get to draft players and they are pretty much beholden to that team for 8 years, including their most prime years. Why should a player have to stay with a team longer than 8 years just because they were drafted by the team? That's nonsense.

This isn't the NHL making a "ridiculous system", this is the NHL and the players association negotiating a labor agreement. I guarantee you the NHL would like to not have free agency at all. The players association (rightfully so) are the ones pushing for it.

this is slightly incorrect..

teams drafting a player has till he is 27 on July 1 or he plays 7 nhl seasons. That could take them 9-10 years to get toUFA.

it used to be longer…even forever before free agency..

 

[My3Sons]

Dude he just turned down 8mx8 to remain in Detroit, He's not signing for 9mx7 and taking less on the open market. If he wants 8x9m to remain in Detroit that comes to 7x10.35 on the open market.

It’s hard to see Larkin as a $10 mil per player.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Dude he just turned down 8mx8 to remain in Detroit, He's not signing for 9mx7 and taking less on the open market. If he wants 8x9m to remain in Detroit that comes to 7x10.35 on the open market.

he probably just wants out of detroit. cant say i blame him.

$10m for larkin is a joke. $9m puts him in the same group as barzal

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

he probably just wants out of detroit. cant say i blame him.

$10m for larkin is a joke. $9m puts him in the same group as barzal

Yeah he wants out of his hometown where he's Captain for a joke of a franchise who hasn't won a cup in 55+ years.
He turned down 8 x $8,000,000 = $64,000,000 for 7 x $9,000,000 = $63,000,000 sorry don't think so.
Barzal is also being paid 8 x $9,150,000 so on the open market Larkin loses that 8th year which according to his agent he wants bad.

It’s hard to see Larkin as a $10 mil per player.

Do the math, He wants 8 x $9,000,000 = $72,000,000 remain with Detroit. he loses the 8th year so 7 x $10,350,000 is pretty close.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

this is slightly incorrect..

teams drafting a player has till he is 27 on July 1 or he plays 7 nhl seasons. That could take them 9-10 years to get toUFA.

it used to be longer…even forever before free agency..

Thanks. You are correct, I was off by a year (that's what I get for looking at Larkin's seasons played).

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Larkin sucks. maybe 5 years at 6mil each.......

 

[My3Sons]

Yeah he wants out of his hometown where he's Captain for a joke of a franchise who hasn't won a cup in 55+ years.
He turned down 8 x $8,000,000 = $64,000,000 for 7 x $9,000,000 = $63,000,000 sorry don't think so.
Barzal is also being paid 8 x $9,150,000 so on the open market Larkin loses that 8th year which according to his agent he wants bad.

Do the math, He wants 8 x $9,000,000 = $72,000,000 remain with Detroit. he loses the 8th year so 7 x $10,350,000 is pretty close.

I get the math. I’m skeptical a team offers him that as a UFA. He’s an excellent player but I struggle to see any team pay him $10 mil for 7 years let alone more than $10 mil. if he hits UFA can a good team swing $10 mil per and does a bad team that is multiple pieces and multiple years away invest $10 mil per in a guy who isn’t a game breaking top line center?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I get the math. I’m skeptical a team offers him that as a UFA. He’s an excellent player but I struggle to see any team pay him $10 mil for 7 years let alone more than $10 mil. if he hits UFA can a good team swing $10 mil per and does a bad team that is multiple pieces and multiple years away invest $10 mil per in a guy who isn’t a game breaking top line center?

Totally agree, So if Yzerman is willing to pay him the Horvat deal 8 x $8,500,000 he should take it because he's going to lose that 8th year and that's what he wants.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yeah he wants out of his hometown where he's Captain for a joke of a franchise who hasn't won a cup in 55+ years.

7 years and counting out of the playoffs and this mf talking about joke franchises.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

7 years and counting out of the playoffs and this mf talking about joke franchises.

Who you calling a mf?, Leafs haven't even won a 1st round playoff series in like 19 years