Value of: Dvorak Trade Value

[Hunter368]

Thanks for proving my point.

You just proved our point......thanks

 

[Hunter368]

Bro, if you don't understand that 2 of those 4 seasons were cut short due to covid and that injuries sometimes happens, there's nothing I can do for you.

Injuries absolutely factor into a players ability to produce, the fact is he has never produced 40 pts in a long NHL career......that isn't bad luck thats a lack of offensive ability and injuries.....both play a huge factor in his value.

 

[Gurglesons]

Didn't we already have this thread and Habs fans got super defensive about Dvorak having no trade value for reasons.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He's litterally been on pace for 40+ pts in 3 of his last 4 seasons.

But I guess you want to argue sementics, just as about everytime I read anything on here. This board is a shithole.

So what you're saying is he's never scored 40 points.


Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

 

[Hunter368]

All joking aside, no team will pay $11,475,000 of actual cash over the next two years for this skid mark. It’s a dump. Montreal needs to add to get rid of him.

PS: Don’t think I don’t know why you created this thread… but I approve of it.

Have to talk about it, many Habs fans think he has value or good value and they want to include him in trade offers with that assumption so I think its a good thing to vet or confirm what other fans think of his value and not just Habs fans for obvious reasons.

Based on the replies I think we have a good idea how Dvorak is viewed & valuable around the NHL fans bases. Plus we all know Habs would of traded him if they could of going into the TDL if they could but there wasn't any buyers clearly which likely tells us how NHL GM's value him also.

 

[LVCarson]

He's litterally been on pace for 40+ pts in 3 of his last 4 seasons.

But I guess you want to argue sementics, just as about everytime I read anything on here. This board is a shithole.

Wasn’t Poehling “on pace” for 360 goals one year? Can’t believe the Canadiens gave up on that untouchable player.

Keep up the good work on thinking every one of your prospects is a can’t miss because of “pace” hab fans. Make for a great thing to laugh at.

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

Debating the value of canadiens players is always a fun time.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I think Dvorak has decent value right now. Not overpaid but certainly not a bargain. His contract is more than fair, he’s in his prime and signed two more years.

He could probably fetch a 20-32 first round pick. Teams that are looking for a solid third liner will come calling if he’s made available.

 

[Hunter368]

I think Dvorak has decent value right now. Not overpaid but certainly not a bargain. His contract is more than fair, he’s in his prime and signed two more years.

He could probably fetch a 20-32 first round pick. Teams that are looking for a solid third liner will come calling if he’s made available.

I can't say I agree with his current value, but thats why we discuss on a forum to hear others opinions................but I will say his trade value is likely highest as a UFA in his final year at the TDL.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

You kind of at least have to wait until after the UFA frenzy period, no? Like, if I wanted a middling center, maybe I'd try to sign Compher or somebody on the cheap as a UFA first. Then if after all the dust settled and I had struck out, and still had the Cap space and the need I could circle back to Dvorak?

I don't know if there are going to be any teams who will feel THAT desperate later in July, but maybe?

 

[TS Quint]

Eller was an outstanding even strength player. Dvorak isn’t and has never been one. He’s an ok two-way player who doesn’t excel at anything and plays more than he should because Montreal is rebuilding. Keep him this year then he will have a market next year with retained salary as a rental.

Where does the graph show Dvorak playing a 2nd way. This all shows this “shutdown center” getting crushed.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

The arguing over him being a 40 point player is a bit much. He's played over 400 games in the league which is a pretty big sample size and has put up a 40 point average in those games based on a 82 game season.

Call him a 35 point player, call him a 40 point player, really who gives a f*** lol.

In regards to his value it is probably a second rounder. The UFA group of centres this year sucks ass, Dvorak is more of a 3rd line C on a good team but he's still a 27/28 year old C signed 2 years at ~$4.5M a year so he likely has a bit of value across the league due to the lack of centres available.

 

[JRichard]

OP asked for neutral fans opinions, not a pace contest.

So far neutral fans say little value.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

In regards to his value it is probably a second rounder. The UFA group of centres this year sucks ass, Dvorak is more of a 3rd line C on a good team but he's still a 27/28 year old C signed 2 years at ~$4.5M a year so he likely has a bit of value across the league due to the lack of centres available.

Surely you're joking?


There's at least a dozen centers available this summer that are better than him. He's not getting a 2nd.

 

[Boondock]

Dvorak for Garland or Beauvillier

Canucks do it because they need a C more than a winger. Cap matches up with the wingers so cap in = cap out pretty much. Creates some flexibility if there is an injury to one of Petey or JT.

Montreal does this to add scoring to their team, move on from a player that has under produced there. Maybe add a French-Canadian if that is important to the organization. Is cap neutral

 

[BKarchitect]

Where does the graph show Dvorak playing a 2nd way. This all shows this “shutdown center” getting crushed.

Well he’s definitely not a shutdown center in the least and he’s overused by the Habs, no doubt.

He’s got decent physical tools. He’s an ok player who can score some goals, win face-offs and be generally pretty mediocre in his on-ice ES impact. In a lesser role on a better team, he’s probably gonna look better analytically.

But he’s overpaid. And has term left. So his value is limited. I think Habs fans are out to lunch if they think some team is gonna give them a second rounder to pay $11.5 million in salary left owed to him. But I do think NEXT year, if they retain and are trading a $2.5 million third liner filler type who is a pure rental, then they could probably get something.

 

[T_Cage]

Dvorak's value depends on the team acquiring him. To a team that has the space and could use what he brings, it would probably be a small positive, but to other teams he would be negative value

The problem is Habs fans keep trying to push him to the teams where he would be a cap dump, and then get indigent when they want to be paid to take him and not give up whatever top player they want to steal away for cheap

I'd say if a centre-hungry team that misses out on FA and can accept that he's pretty meh needs him, MTL could get a 3rd or 4th, but that will require patience to wait for that market to materialize

 

[LVCarson]

I think Dvorak has decent value right now. Not overpaid but certainly not a bargain. His contract is more than fair, he’s in his prime and signed two more years.

He could probably fetch a 20-32 first round pick. Teams that are looking for a solid third liner will come calling if he’s made available.

I stopped reading at you saying he is not overpaid. He is grossly overpaid for what he provides.

 

[Frank Drebin]

How much do fans from other fan bases feel Dvorak is worth via trade?

Lmao, from a mod no less

 

[HuGo Sham]

Debating the value of canadiens players is always a fun time.

yeah there's this phenomenon on HF main boards where many posters of other teams feel the need to generalize about all habs fans and respond with the same ridiculous bluster; except this time the snarky responses and counter offers devalue and under value every single habs player.
it's kind of like a harmonious balance of obnoxiousness

 

[Baksfamous112]

I can't say I agree with his current value, but thats why we discuss on a forum to hear others opinions................but I will say his trade value is likely highest as a UFA in his final year at the TDL.

He’s playing a prime position and unfortunately (or fortunately for Habs) a lot of contenders out there doesn’t have a proper 3rd line center - and some even doesn’t have a proper 2nd line center.

I know on HFboards a lot of people don’t see the value attribute to bottom 6 players but looking at the league trade history, these type of players always find a taker and usually comes at a premium.

I stopped reading at you saying he is not overpaid. He is grossly overpaid for what he provides.

Ah yes the good old “if a player is not a superstar on an absolute bargain of a deal” is useless, overpaid, a dime a dozen and should have a premium asset attached to him for a team to take him

 

[ElPrimeTime]

I would say, think of the Puljujarvi trade, but worse return because he makes more money, signed for one more year and walks to UFA.

 

[Djp]

How much do fans from other fan bases feel Dvorak is worth via trade?

every team has 2-4 players like him thst they would like to move. Not many teams have the cap space to take him on. The return will be not all test good.
you retain/ take money back the return will be better

 

[Empoleon8771]

At best, someone would buy in on Dvorak's age and take him for next to nothing. More realistically, his value is probably negative.

His issue is that he's not good enough offensively to be an offensive 2C but not good enough defensively to be a defensive 3C. He's a decent 2-way center, but he's just not good enough at either end of the ice to actually fill a role that his ability would fit in. Combine that with his pretty hefty salary for what he provides and it's not a very valuable asset.

 

[Irie]

Using real salary shows how little your evaluation is worth

Only Montreal, Toronto, and Ranger fans don't worry about real salary.

To another small handful of teams, it isn't a deal breaker.

To the rest of the league it is actually a thing and plays a real role in value.