Proposal: Dvorak and Lehkonen to the Rangers

[haveandare]

Dvorak does nothing for me personally. I’d trade a piece for lek though

 

[Maitz]

Habs don’t need to move Lekh, has some reporter said he is an important part of the leadership group, he never takes a night off, he is never injured and is top PK killer. Unless there is an overpay I’m keeping him and sign him to a 3x3M in the offseason. I like how people just stat watch and actually don’t know anything about hockey.

 

[cwede]

"Not gonna ask for a 1st" but "please include recent 9OA and 28OA"

Habs want those guys. the youth Habs send back needs to be tempting - Mysak?

Anyway NYR are not in "go for it" mode, not gonna overpay for the depth guys they hope to add

Dvorak not really a move-the-needle C, not an upgrade over Strome, might as well just re-sign Strome

No disrespect of Lehk, or Barbanov, or any of the plug in anywhere Ws, but enough are available without paying a premium

Can't wait for all this static of posters poaching NYR prospects to expire on Mar 21

 

[TGWL]

above average 3c = grade C+
below average 2c = grade B-

solid middle 2c = grade B



somewhere between C+ and B- is B

I think the poster is saying middle 2c as in between 3rd and 2nd line (middle 2 center spots).

 

[habsfan44]

No, b'c this is another overreach win now move which regardless of immediate value -- I'd argue it is negative -- it is long term costing NY.

1. We do not trade bluest blue chips.
2. We consider youth for youth, vets for youth, vets for vets. We do not deal youth for vets.

I want Drury's ego to stuff it and capitulate and deal Strome who -- setting aside any other factors -- math says he can not possibly remain w/NYR. If they defy that fact, it would trigger eventual dealing of Kakko + LaF as forced sales at reduced returns.
We need to get down to a real core, and immediately give Strome mins to Chytil, Barron, then Krav. Let Pajuniemi get cup o coffee +, gives him experience, see if there is lightning in a bottle to add scoring.

Translation: Strome available at half, you can extend or flip. Suspect you don't want to go there, but THAT is what is available, not the asks you requested.

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The only other thing we need to do at some pt, not nec immediately, is move Nemeth.

Howev, I don't think we are a fit. Nemeth + for an expiring Chariot works for NY, but I am not seeing agreement on what I anticipate you want. You want a 1st for Chariot. IF IF IF IF you can get that somewhere, anywhere (else) you should take that, God bless you. But it won't be from NYR. There is no immediate urgency about removing Nemeth future cap hit. It can be done post season, for a lot less than a 1st.

So if you don't want to overpay for LaF, who is a good bet to have skating up to snuff next season = breakout; or give acceptable 1st for Kravtsov -- who I personally would prefer to keep after dealing Strome; I do not see any fits.

CONCLUSION: some of those are nice pieces, thanks for the offer, but I like our pieces better. That is the bottom line.

Bluest blue chips Bern ? The only thing blue about Kravtsov thus far is how he makes Ranger fans feel when they think about him and what might have been , and an under sized dman with some skills who I rate as a B to a B+ prospect , hardly bluest blue . Don't get me wrong I really hope these two make it to and succeed in the NHL , I just have no desire to pay for that hope .

 

[bernmeister]

Bluest blue chips Bern ? The only thing blue about Kravtsov thus far is how he makes Ranger fans feel when they think about him and what might have been , and an under sized dman with some skills who I rate as a B to a B+ prospect , hardly bluest blue . Don't get me wrong I really hope these two make it to and succeed in the NHL , I just have no desire to pay for that hope .

You like each of us is entitled to his opinion.
I value Jones as B+ to start now but is improving w/continued NHL exposure.
He is clearly in the style of Fox.
It is pushing it, but only a bit, to say TODAY he is Fox lite.
He projects, best case, that he is Fox lite.

A suitor waits until that potential demonstrates to actually be the case, the price goes up.

He is available only b'c we have both Fox and Nils, so arguably as to immediate use and as to reaching his zenith, he is surplus, possibly the only surplus blue chip we have.

Krav, if you play him w/top 6 guys, not McKegg types, he will produce. Drury should be forced to park his ego, deal Strome [which should have been done earlier] and eventually Krav gets this space.

 

[TomKosto]

Habs don’t need to move Lekh, has some reporter said he is an important part of the leadership group, he never takes a night off, he is never injured and is top PK killer. Unless there is an overpay I’m keeping him and sign him to a 3x3M in the offseason. I like how people just stat watch and actually don’t know anything about hockey.

If we traded Toffoli, Lekhonen is clearly on the trade block and likely to be traded if a good offer comes up.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Dvorak is not worth his current contract going forward….. and would be a cap dump for Rangers going forward as they will need all their cap space for better players on their current roster.

Lek…… is over rated and will be RFA this summer….. he can just go to arbitration this summer and get an inflated contract based on his usage in Montreal…,.. another cap dump

you could not pay NYR to take these 2 plugs…… try Arizona……. As they are looking for cap dumps!

 

[habsfan44]

You like each of us is entitled to his opinion.
I value Jones as B+ to start now but is improving w/continued NHL exposure.
He is clearly in the style of Fox.
It is pushing it, but only a bit, to say TODAY he is Fox lite.
He projects, best case, that he is Fox lite.

A suitor waits until that potential demonstrates to actually be the case, the price goes up.

He is available only b'c we have both Fox and Nils, so arguably as to immediate use and as to reaching his zenith, he is surplus, possibly the only surplus blue chip we have.

Krav, if you play him w/top 6 guys, not McKegg types, he will produce. Drury should be forced to park his ego, deal Strome [which should have been done earlier] and eventually Krav gets this space.

Perhaps you misunderstood , my comment was about Lundkvist the dman included in the OP. not Jones .

 

[Captain97]

Let's just drop the extras and make it simple

Dvorak
Lehkonen
Habs 3rd 2022

For

Kravstov
Lundqvist
2023 2nd

Rangers get a good middle six centre (good 3c to low end 2c) and a middle six winger with grit.

Habs get two prospects and move up 10-15 spots and back 1 year in the draft.

Essentially lehkonen for Kravstov (both valued around 2nd+bprospect to late 1st)

Lundqvist + late 2nd

For

Dvorak + early 3rd

 

[Maitz]

If we traded Toffoli, Lekhonen is clearly on the trade block and likely to be traded if a good offer comes up.

Yes Im not saying he is not ans Im open to trade him but like you said if a good offer comes up.

 

[FerrisRox]

Dvorak is not worth his current contract going forward…..

That is a ridiculous statement.

Completely clueless.

 

[UnSandvich]

Let's just drop the extras and make it simple

Dvorak
Lehkonen
Habs 3rd 2022

For

Kravstov
Lundqvist
2023 2nd

Rangers get a good middle six centre (good 3c to low end 2c) and a middle six winger with grit.

Habs get two prospects and move up 10-15 spots and back 1 year in the draft.

Essentially lehkonen for Kravstov (both valued around 2nd+bprospect to late 1st)

Lundqvist + late 2nd

For

Dvorak + early 3rd

There'd need to be retention on Dvorak for the Rangers to consider that. Probably 50%. Especially with Dvorak on IR

 

[jay from jersey]

I still say something around kravtsov for Lehkonen winds up happening.... fill in the small plus on whichever side.

I think MtL would rather take a shot with krav with the history Gorts/Bobrov have with him instead of a 2nd+ decent prospect type deal

there are a lot of guys available for that 2nd+prospect price. Some a little more valuable due to being signed for multiple years at a low cap hit. But the tier is basically,
Lehkonen/Copp/Jarnkrok/Boyd/Connor Brown/Tierney etc and various others.

their contract status might get them a little more if they are locked in cheap (Brown) rather then a RFA needing a raise or a UFA looking at a bigger raise

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

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Dvorak not really a move-the-needle C, not an upgrade over Strome, might as well just re-sign Strome

Is Dvorak even that much more of an upgrade over Chytil?

 

[Colezuki]

That is a ridiculous statement.

Completely clueless.

Agreed

 

[Captain97]

There'd need to be retention on Dvorak for the Rangers to consider that. Probably 50%. Especially with Dvorak on IR

Wtf are you talking about, Dvorak is signed cheap for like 4 years. 4.5 million for a good 3C is a cheap.
What does IR (supposed to be back soon) have to do with a long term contract?

 

[Captain97]

Dvorak does nothing for me personally. I’d trade a piece for lek though

I think the Dvorak stuff is because insiders are saying Rnagers have been asking about him and apparently the only Vets the Habs are tied too like you need to overpay are Anderson and Gally. (Prbly Price but Noone know what's going on there)

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Let's just drop the extras and make it simple

Dvorak
Lehkonen
Habs 3rd 2022

For

Kravstov
Lundqvist
2023 2nd

Rangers get a good middle six centre (good 3c to low end 2c) and a middle six winger with grit.

Habs get two prospects and move up 10-15 spots and back 1 year in the draft.

Essentially lehkonen for Kravstov (both valued around 2nd+bprospect to late 1st)

Lundqvist + late 2nd

For

Dvorak + early 3rd

Easy pass.

 

[Boondock]

Habs don’t need to move Lekh, has some reporter said he is an important part of the leadership group, he never takes a night off, he is never injured and is top PK killer. Unless there is an overpay I’m keeping him and sign him to a 3x3M in the offseason. I like how people just stat watch and actually don’t know anything about hockey.

I like how people generalize and act petulant when others don't share their opinion.

 

[EquabaleAce]

"Not gonna ask for a 1st" but "please include recent 9OA and 28OA"

Habs want those guys. the youth Habs send back needs to be tempting - Mysak?

Anyway NYR are not in "go for it" mode, not gonna overpay for the depth guys they hope to add

Dvorak not really a move-the-needle C, not an upgrade over Strome, might as well just re-sign Strome

No disrespect of Lehk, or Barbanov, or any of the plug in anywhere Ws, but enough are available without paying a premium

Can't wait for all this static of posters poaching NYR prospects to expire on Mar 21

I wouldn’t see Dvorak as an attempt at an upgrade, I’d see it as a safety net. Upgrade at 3c for this run and if Strome leaves then you have at a minimum, a cost effective 2nd line tweener. Also, MTL is going to be overrun with middle six prospects so including Mysak wouldn’t be much of a problem in my opinion. Montreals biggest obstacle is the 50 contract max

 

[HuGo Sham]

Is there a fit? Seen a recent post by a Rangers fan where they need a center and a RW. Dvorak is a solid middle 2C who is good at intangibles and Lehkonen can play both sides. Has a lot of sample size playing RW.

Return? Not going to ask for a 1st.

* Dvorak
* Lehkonen
* Kostenko (Right shot D.. Grade B type) or J Olofsson (22 year old center close to NHL ready)
* Habs 2022 4th rounder (early part of the 4th)
for
* Kravtsov
* Lundkvist
* Future 2nd rounder (23 or 24 draft)

not interested as a habs fan

 

[Habs Halifax]

Where's the upside for the Habs ? Is it the 23 year old "prospect" who took his puck and went home when things didn't go his way ? Is it the under sized prospect dman that we don't need because our own pool is overflowing with D prospects ? Or is it the distant 2nd. that maybe helps the Habs in 3 , 4 or 5 years , if ever ? Easy pass for the Habs in my opinion .

Rangers fell the opposite. I can see both sides

 

[Habs Halifax]

Majority of HF considers Chiarot a pylon but whatever.

What does the majority of HF boards have to do with anything other than a band wagon party? Sorry, but I stick to what I think and I don't try to use "fan crowds" as the truth. Heard the same thing said about Patch when we were trying to trade him a few years ago. Same with Toffoli a few weeks ago. Comments like... "you are insane if you think Toffoli returns a 1st".

Nonsense. Chiarot is not a pylon. Massive exaggeration to prove a weak point cause you feel like you don't need him. Why did you bring Chiarot into this? Seems like you have a problem focusing and turn to trashing all kinds of players in your bandwagon march

 

[TGWL]

Is Dvorak even that much more of an upgrade over Chytil?

Yes, but mainly because Chytil shouldn't be playing center.