Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[BB88]

Stoner is still an NHL player with a smaller cap hit, and coming from a team with more ways to cut down on salary as well as more space. It's not the same thing.

So is Bickell and he's a rental. That extra year is a killer.

Why would anyone want to have Stoners cap hit next summer?
Cap space is highly valuable, and Stoner would take away over 3M.

 

[Static]

So is Bickell and he's a rental. That extra year is a killer.

Why would anyone want to have Stoners cap hit next summer?
Cap space is highly valuable, and Stoner would take away over 3M.

If it comes down to keeping stoner for one more year in order to keep a top prospect then that is what they will do. There are other options, they aren't painted into a corner like Chicago was.

Chicago had to pay that premium because they had no other recourse. Anaheim isn't in that position.

 

[Elvs]

So is Bickell and he's a rental. That extra year is a killer.

Why would anyone want to have Stoners cap hit next summer?
Cap space is highly valuable, and Stoner would take away over 3M.

If anyone, I'd say Carolina could be interested. Not in Stoner per se, but in a 2nd round pick that I would send with him. They are a young and rebuilding team, so if they can add high picks while barely giving up anything in return, they should be interested.

And they can take on Stoner as they are close to the cap floor. Not to mention they have a very soft group of defensemen currently. And they have room for a new 7th defenseman, as Matt Tennyson seemingly is in that spot right now.

I'd do Stoner and a 2nd round pick for some grinder tweener like Brendan Woods, if the alternative is losing Lindholm.

 

[Jumptheshark]

They have cap space.

Who are the owners? Why are they so cheap?

You Would think a team that's old and trying to win now would, you know, actually spend to try and win?

The ducks have a built in cap. While they have nhl cap space they are bumping their internal cap space

 

[Emerald Duck]

Despres contract right now doesn't look that great, why would anyone do a favour and take Stoners contract?

Every Gm knows someone has to go, it will lower the value.
You are dreaming if you think this situation doesn't lower Fowlers value.

Perhaps. If you're talking with multiple GMs, then they are also bidding to win. They might be behaving like turtles at the bottom of the fishbowl climbing over each other to marginally outbid the next guy, but eventually Murray may get one of them higher up and closer to fair value for Fowler.

Of course, a NHL GM's view of fair value will be much different than HF posters who tend to overvalue their offered players and undervalue any targets.

 

[Heraldic]

Again with that narrative. Stories like that don't drive value, supply and demand do. There are at the ultimate least two teams reported in the talks. Are they both lowballing, praying that their lowball is better than the other lowball, while not considering making less of a lowball offer? Or are the interested teams straight up colluding to keep the price down, for whatever shared interest they don't actually have?

I checked the cap situations from eastern teams. At this point it seems that neither Detroit nor Montreal is able to make a deal where they take more salary/cap than Ducks.

There are still teams like Boston or Carolina who have cap space and might have interest for a young top-4 d-man. But now that Trouba is on the block, I don't know why they would be willing to pay a premium for Fowler, when they could just use those assets to get Trouba (who fills more important positional need).

The situation very well might be (and likely is IMO) that there are couple of teams who have an actual interest for Fowler, but don't have any urgent need for him. They have likely told B.Murray that" we're willing to pay x amount for Fowler, and if that is not enough (or the right type of return), so be it". And they could have stood there for more than a month now. The fact is, that while those other GMs can easily just wait and say "if that's not enough, so be it, we're comfortable here", B.Murray simply needs to do something eventually, and at this point, pretty soon. Usually GMs can just say "fine, then I'm not moving him".

There is a reason why some periods of seasons are more busy regarding trades than the others, while the supply and demand are pretty much the same. NHL is not an open, ideal market - far from it.

That being said, other teams are likely not lowballing Murray. But they are likely neither offering the value that Murray is looking for.

TT and Crouse went for far worse contracts, fully acknowledging the term on Stoner's deal. It's not going to happen. The Ducks would keep the actually serviceable depth defender around before going that route if a lesser asset isn't cutting it.

The term for Stoner makes a big impact. Chicago tried to move Bickell last year as well, without any success. With only one year remaining, they eventually were able to do it.

And Bolland's contract is not that bad actually. It is 80% insured and you can just bury him to LTIR. It doesn't matter whether you're a budget team or a contending team, the Bolland's contract is cheaper (and it doesn't eat a roster spot).

And when you see Quincey and Seidenberg taking 1 million 1 year deals, Russel still being unsigned and Ehrhoff, Weber, Grossman etc. taking try-outs, there is absolutely no universe where taking two years of Stoner with +3 millions makes any sense.

 

[Flyboy34]

Bieksa NMC now hurts.

Just wait until the expansion protected lists are announced...

 

[Vipers31]

Just wait until the expansion protected lists are announced...

He won't be on there.

 

[BB88]

If anyone, I'd say Carolina could be interested. Not in Stoner per se, but in a 2nd round pick that I would send with him. They are a young and rebuilding team, so if they can add high picks while barely giving up anything in return, they should be interested.

And they can take on Stoner as they are close to the cap floor. Not to mention they have a very soft group of defensemen currently. And they have room for a new 7th defenseman, as Matt Tennyson seemingly is in that spot right now.

I'd do Stoner and a 2nd round pick for some grinder tweener like Brendan Woods, if the alternative is losing Lindholm.

For team like Carolina 3rd pairing is a great development pairing, they have so many young highly skilled defenseman on the team, and they are left shooting as well. Stoner could easily just be in the way of developing their future core players.

They already took Bickells contract, and they got TT to go with it.

 

[McRpro]

He won't be on there.

Players with NMC's have to be protected.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Players with NMC's have to be protected.

Not if they agree to waive it.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Not if they agree to waive it.

And why would he go from a Stanley Cup contender to an expansion team?

 

[GoldiFox]

If anyone, I'd say Carolina could be interested. Not in Stoner per se, but in a 2nd round pick that I would send with him. They are a young and rebuilding team, so if they can add high picks while barely giving up anything in return, they should be interested.

And they can take on Stoner as they are close to the cap floor. Not to mention they have a very soft group of defensemen currently. And they have room for a new 7th defenseman, as Matt Tennyson seemingly is in that spot right now.

I'd do Stoner and a 2nd round pick for some grinder tweener like Brendan Woods, if the alternative is losing Lindholm.

Don't see a budget team like Carolina paying $7 million for a late 2nd round pick. The price would be higher if Carolina was the destination for the Cap dump. On the other hand they would probably pay a decent price for Fowler. I'd likely go as high as their 1st + a good forward prospect.

 

[ForSpareParts*]

It seems logical to think that the Leafs will be ANA's trade partner.

Hand them over now.

Thanks

Have a great day.

 

[alcolol]

And why would he go from a Stanley Cup contender to an expansion team?

Why would an expansion team select him over the likes of Despres or Manson (assuming those two are not protected either)? Or why would Anaheim not buy out the final year of his contract prior to the expansion draft, save money, and ensure that a defenseman protection slot isn't wasted on Bieksa?

The options are pretty clearly defined: waive your NMC for expansion draft purposes knowing you won't be selected, or force us to buy you out.

 

[Vipers31]

Players with NMC's have to be protected.

Not if they agree to waive it.

And why would he go from a Stanley Cup contender to an expansion team?

There's two options - him being bought out beforehand, or him waiving. Given that he wants to be keep playing, and specifically wanted to be in Anaheim, and that the risk of LV selecting him are virtually zero, the only way for him to extend his time in Anaheim beyond this season is waiving.

 

[dracom]

Players with NMC's have to be protected.

Not if they agree to waive it.

And why would he go from a Stanley Cup contender to an expansion team?

He'll either waive his NMC because there's no way Las Vegas would pick him or he gets bought out before the expansion draft. One option means he gets stay here with his family, the other means he either stops playing hockey or he goes to a new team and moves his family again.

Either way, Ducks won't be protecting him in the draft.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He'll either waive his NMC because there's no way Las Vegas would pick him or he gets bought out before the expansion draft. One option means he gets stay here with his family, the other means he either stops playing hockey or he goes to a new team and moves his family again.

Either way, Ducks won't be protecting him in the draft.

Bieksa is serviceable. He waives his NMC exposed in draft and gets traded to Detroit at 25% retention?

 

[alcolol]

There's two options - him being bought out beforehand, or him waiving. Given that he wants to be keep playing, and specifically wanted to be in Anaheim, and that the risk of LV selecting him are virtually zero, the only way for him to extend his time in Anaheim beyond this season is waiving.

He'll either waive his NMC because there's no way Las Vegas would pick him or he gets bought out before the expansion draft. One option means he gets stay here with his family, the other means he either stops playing hockey or he goes to a new team and moves his family again.

Either way, Ducks won't be protecting him in the draft.

We just triple teamed the **** out of the false notion Bieksa will be protected in the expansion draft. Good job, gentlemen.

 

[Vipers31]

Bieksa is serviceable. He waives his NMC exposed in draft and gets traded to Detroit at 25% retention?

I don't think he's serviceable enough for teams to want to trade for him at $3M. Either way, if he agrees to waive to help his team out for the expansion draft, he won't have to worry about getting traded. Murray is old school.

But let's wait and see. Maybe he loses another couple steps this year and Murray has reason to go straight by asking him to waive to buyout.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Bieksa is serviceable. He waives his NMC exposed in draft and gets traded to Detroit at 25% retention?

And why? would Detroit have interest in a 35 years old Kevin Bieksa, The reason why would would target younger D men like Trouba or Fowler is because they're younger which Detroit is trying to get and it doesn't hurt hat they're both Detroiter's growing up diehard Red Wing fans as well no need for Bieksa not even at $3 million for 2 more years.

 

[McDonald19]

And why would he go from a Stanley Cup contender to an expansion team?

Because Vegas isn't taking Bieksa. It would be a numbers formality to help his team.

If Vegas takes a defenseman from Anaheim and Lindholm, Vatanen, and Fowler are protected they will take Despres or Manson. They wouldn't touch Bieksa or Stoner.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

not from what i've seen last season but thats fine. within 2-3 years that tune will change.

Kesler was our best player last season [MOD]

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

Here is a Wpg-Anaheim idea.....

To Ducks:

Trouba
Telegin

To Jets:
Lindholm
Bieksa

 

[Vipers31]

Here is a Wpg-Anaheim idea.....

To Ducks:

Trouba
Telegin

To Jets:
Lindholm
Bieksa

Bieksa won't waive his NMC to come to Winnipeg. And no thanks on the Trouba/Lindholm base.