Speculation: Ducks grabbing a top 6 forward for Fowler/despres

[robbieboy3686]

I'm probably in the minority, but I actually think Stoner is going to have a good year under Carlyle. He'll still be overpaid by a million, but I think he's gonna be a very dependable 3rd pairing guy this season. Even if he is not, I still don't think he is untradeable. We would probably just have to retain some salary or throw in a pick to sweeten any potential deal, and since he's pretty much a depth guy, that's all we could really expect in return.

That said, we do need to unload one of Fowler/Despres/Stoner or maybe even two, for salary reasons and also because we simply have too many D, so if there is a good offer for Stoner I could see him being moved. I am much more inclined to move Despres though since we would likely lose him to the expansion draft anyway. And as counter-intuitive as it may seem, I would also be open to moving both Fowler and Despres for the right deals, if it meant freeing up a lot of money to re-sign Hampus for a long term deal and brought in a few good young forwards

I couldn't agree more with you, I am simply stating, that stoner can be moved, but he isn't just some salary dump, he has value, and we need to get something of value back, ESPECIALLY if BM is going to eat some salary( which he doesn't like to do)

 

[6God*]

How about Eberle (6M) for Fowler (4M) and Bieksa (4M).

Oilers can then sign Boyes to be utility RW.

Maroon-McDavid-Yakupov
Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-RNH-Boyes
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Fowler-Larsson
Klefbom-Sekera
Davidson-Bieksa

 

[mytduxfan*]

How about Eberle (6M) for Fowler (4M) and Bieksa (4M).

Oilers can then sign Boyes to be utility RW.

Maroon-McDavid-Yakupov
Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-RNH-Boyes
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Fowler-Larsson
Klefbom-Sekera
Davidson-Bieksa

I have no interest in helping out EDM with their defensive issues and, given by the Hall for Larsson deal, it doesn't seem like anyone does either.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How about Eberle (6M) for Fowler (4M) and Bieksa (4M).

Oilers can then sign Boyes to be utility RW.

Maroon-McDavid-Yakupov
Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Pouliot-RNH-Boyes
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Fowler-Larsson
Klefbom-Sekera
Davidson-Bieksa

Eberle is a RW Anaheim is set there, They need LW not RW so this doesn't work for Anaheim.

 

[Curufinwe]

Id do that, and I think Senyshyn could become pretty damn good


On another note, funny to see this board do a 180 on the kid. Putting up points will do that i guess

Senyshyn was a reach at 15. Nothing's changed in that regard. A guy in the same league taken nine spots later outscored him by 36 points in 6 fewer games.

Not to mention Kyle Connor.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

To ANA: Scott Hartnell (4.75M) + William Karlsson (1.00M) + Dalton Prout (1.575M) + '17 2nd Rd Pick
-->7.325M in cap

To CBJ: Simon Despres (3.70M) + Rickard Rakell (RFA --> ~2M bridge?) + Clayton Stoner (3.25M)
-->~8.95M in cap

Anaheim ends up saving over 1.5M in cap (depending on how much Rakell signs for), clears up the log jam on their blue line and rids itself of Stoner and his contract, while picking up the top-6 winger they need and getting back Karlsson who is poised to show he's capable of playing a top-9 center role. Columbus adds to their young, strong blue line and picks up a young forward who can slot in to their top-6 or play 3C this season.

For Anaheim, their lineup would probably look like this (forgive me if I'm way off):

Hartnell-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Karlsson-Vermette-Thompson
Garbutt-Wagner-Raymond

Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Bieksa
Theodore-Vatanen

And for Columbus,

Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Dubois-Rakell
Calvert-Gagner-Anderson

Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Despres


Thoughts?

 

[btlaffin]

To ANA: Scott Hartnell (4.75M) + William Karlsson (1.00M) + Dalton Prout (1.575M) + '17 2nd Rd Pick
-->7.325M in cap

To CBJ: Simon Despres (3.70M) + Rickard Rakell (RFA --> ~2M bridge?) + Clayton Stoner (3.25M)
-->~8.95M in cap

Anaheim ends up saving over 1.5M in cap (depending on how much Rakell signs for), clears up the log jam on their blue line and rids itself of Stoner and his contract, while picking up the top-6 winger they need and getting back Karlsson who is poised to show he's capable of playing a top-9 center role. Columbus adds to their young, strong blue line and picks up a young forward who can slot in to their top-6 or play 3C this season.

For Anaheim, their lineup would probably look like this (forgive me if I'm way off):

Hartnell-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Karlsson-Vermette-Thompson
Garbutt-Wagner-Raymond

Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Bieksa
Theodore-Vatanen

And for Columbus,

Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Dubois-Rakell
Calvert-Gagner-Anderson

Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Despres


Thoughts?

Absolutely not moving Rakell

 

[Titsuple]

Pouliot + 2nd rounder for Fowler?

 

[mytduxfan*]

To ANA: Scott Hartnell (4.75M) + William Karlsson (1.00M) + Dalton Prout (1.575M) + '17 2nd Rd Pick
-->7.325M in cap

To CBJ: Simon Despres (3.70M) + Rickard Rakell (RFA --> ~2M bridge?) + Clayton Stoner (3.25M)
-->~8.95M in cap

Anaheim ends up saving over 1.5M in cap (depending on how much Rakell signs for), clears up the log jam on their blue line and rids itself of Stoner and his contract, while picking up the top-6 winger they need and getting back Karlsson who is poised to show he's capable of playing a top-9 center role. Columbus adds to their young, strong blue line and picks up a young forward who can slot in to their top-6 or play 3C this season.

For Anaheim, their lineup would probably look like this (forgive me if I'm way off):

Hartnell-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Karlsson-Vermette-Thompson
Garbutt-Wagner-Raymond

Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Bieksa
Theodore-Vatanen

And for Columbus,

Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Dubois-Rakell
Calvert-Gagner-Anderson

Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Despres


Thoughts?

Awful.

Pouliot + 2nd rounder for Fowler?

More awful.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I have no interest in helping out EDM with their defensive issues and, given by the Hall for Larsson deal, it doesn't seem like anyone does either.

You could say the same about Anaheim's cap issues.

 

[mytduxfan*]

You could say the same about Anaheim's cap issues.

Depends. I could see team that can afford to take on more salary gladly accepting Despres or Cogliano for a rock-bottom return.

Moving a legit top pairing D-man to a team with McDavid for Eberle+....? nah!!!!

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Tatar+Sheahan.

Or Tatar+2nd. Tatar+Jurco/Pulk. Tatar+Sproul/XO.

Depends on cap issues, and if Anaheim wants a serviceable young d-man that won't bother their cap situation. Tatar can score 20-30 a year.

Fowler isn't a #1 D that some people and seemingly Anaheim may think he is. But I don't think he's a #3-5 either. You can't just "grab" a PK Subban or Doughty anymore. He instantly becomes Detroit's best defenseman IMO and the Ducks get a cheap goal scorer.

 

[Menzinger]

JVR really would be a decent option - lowish caphit especially. The Leafs and Ducks also seem to like trading with one another....

 

[Liferleafer]

Tatar+Sheahan.

Or Tatar+2nd. Tatar+Jurco/Pulk. Tatar+Sproul/XO.

Depends on cap issues, and if Anaheim wants a serviceable young d-man that won't bother their cap situation. Tatar can score 20-30 a year.

Fowler isn't a #1 D that some people and seemingly Anaheim may think he is. But I don't think he's a #3-5 either. You can't just "grab" a PK Subban or Doughty anymore. He instantly becomes Detroit's best defenseman IMO and the Ducks get a cheap goal scorer.

The same reason i want him on the Leafs...is he a 1D? Well, i'd be more than happy with a Rielly/Fowler top pair if that answers the question.

 

[dracom]

Tatar+Sheahan.

Or Tatar+2nd. Tatar+Jurco/Pulk. Tatar+Sproul/XO.

Depends on cap issues, and if Anaheim wants a serviceable young d-man that won't bother their cap situation. Tatar can score 20-30 a year.

Fowler isn't a #1 D that some people and seemingly Anaheim may think he is. But I don't think he's a #3-5 either. You can't just "grab" a PK Subban or Doughty anymore. He instantly becomes Detroit's best defenseman IMO and the Ducks get a cheap goal scorer.

Can we put a stop other fans thinking Ducks fans believe Fowler is a #1 defenseman please? None of us believe that or even say it. A majority of us I would say think fowler is a #2 defenseman asked to do play as #1 while carrying Bieksa around.

 

[crowi]

Tatar+Sheahan.

Or Tatar+2nd. Tatar+Jurco/Pulk. Tatar+Sproul/XO.

Depends on cap issues, and if Anaheim wants a serviceable young d-man that won't bother their cap situation. Tatar can score 20-30 a year.

Fowler isn't a #1 D that some people and seemingly Anaheim may think he is. But I don't think he's a #3-5 either. You can't just "grab" a PK Subban or Doughty anymore. He instantly becomes Detroit's best defenseman IMO and the Ducks get a cheap goal scorer.

Please post even ONE single post where a Ducks fan calls Fowler #1D. So annoying these detroit fans.

 

[Ducks in a row]

To ANA: Scott Hartnell (4.75M) + William Karlsson (1.00M) + Dalton Prout (1.575M) + '17 2nd Rd Pick
-->7.325M in cap

To CBJ: Simon Despres (3.70M) + Rickard Rakell (RFA --> ~2M bridge?) + Clayton Stoner (3.25M)
-->~8.95M in cap

Anaheim ends up saving over 1.5M in cap (depending on how much Rakell signs for), clears up the log jam on their blue line and rids itself of Stoner and his contract, while picking up the top-6 winger they need and getting back Karlsson who is poised to show he's capable of playing a top-9 center role. Columbus adds to their young, strong blue line and picks up a young forward who can slot in to their top-6 or play 3C this season.

For Anaheim, their lineup would probably look like this (forgive me if I'm way off):

Hartnell-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Karlsson-Vermette-Thompson
Garbutt-Wagner-Raymond

Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Bieksa
Theodore-Vatanen

And for Columbus,

Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Dubois-Rakell
Calvert-Gagner-Anderson

Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Despres


Thoughts?

We are not trading Rakell

Pouliot + 2nd rounder for Fowler?

No way in hell

 

[Neiler]

Do you guys view Despres as more of an asset or a liability?

 

[Exit Dose]

Do you guys view Despres as more of an asset or a liability?

It depends on which way his recovery goes. Concussions can take a while to sort out.

 

[Ducksgo*]

It depends on which way his recovery goes. Concussions can take a while to sort out.

I would dump Despres in a heart beat to upgrade LW. I have a gut feeling he won't ever be the same with our concussion history over the years. No one ever turns out back to normal on our side of the fence.

 

[Rebuilt]

Just what Anaheim is seeking a 5'7 Zuccarello, Pretty sure they want a big body not small body.

Yes. Teams are lining up to give you exactly what YOU WANT

 

[Yatzhee]

Anaheim couldn't move Fowler draft time, the asking price must have been to high.
Fowler won't move, unless Anaheim lowers the price.


.......Mic drop.......

 

[Ducksgo*]

Yes. Teams are lining up to give you exactly what YOU WANT

Not sure why the hate on shorter players? We have Cogliano and Vatanen whom are dynamic for There positions. I wouldn't mind Zuc if the price is right.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Depends. I could see team that can afford to take on more salary gladly accepting Despres or Cogliano for a rock-bottom return.

Moving a legit top pairing D-man to a team with McDavid for Eberle+....? nah!!!!

Probably not with Depres, not until he shows that he won't get injured again right away. Not sure if anyone will do you the favor of taking Cogs any more than they will do us the favor of trading us a Cam Fowler.

 

[Sypher04]

Tatar+forward prospect for Fowler is the only deal that works for everyone (despite what other Ducks fans think of Tatar, he is a top 6 player winger).

I still have my money on that deal happening once Lindholm and Rakell are re-signed.

That's a pretty lousy deal for Anaheim. I'd be surprised if no one would beat that