Dreger: Duchene Mega-thread: Habs, NSH inquired about Duchene. Asking price is ridiculous.

[Weast]

Sounds like his plan is wait until summer gives him Seth Jones equivalent ++. I wish him luck, guys that level come onto the market very rarely, He might be waiting a while,

That's okay, I'm sure Sakic won't mind holding on to Duchene.

 

[King In The North]

How about Nashville: Ekholm + 1st and a 2nd (interchangable)?

 

[The Abusement Park]

So by that, it would be

Rielly + 2nd + Bracco

for

Duchene

Yeah....

Get real dude. No one is paying that for a 60 - 70 point forward who doesn't play defense well and is really just a good offensive piece. He is Kessel as a center. No one will win a cup with him as their #1 C.

Stupid price, he won't get close to that.

It would be Rielly 1 for 1. If it's a prospect that's where the adds come in, like Serg+++ or or Hanifin+. \

 

[leaflover]

I don't see how a price is deemed ridiculous when it's total is unknown.
He will have considerable value.

 

[RC51]

way too high for Duchene, to use the sakic logic then why not Duchene + MacKinnon at 12.3 mil per season for the both and a total of 26 goals for Max P at 4.5mil per total and 24 goals by himself, the steal of the NHL, in fact Sakic should add a 1st to get that 4.5mil contract.

 

[CauZuki]

Juulsen + McCarron + Scherbak + 1st 2017 + Small salary dump.
Add 2nd if Habs make Eastern Conference Finals?

 

[cgf]

A lot of the shine had worn off Zadorov. Grigorenko had issues but was a solid NHLer. Compher was just a decent prospect.

Plus the Avs caved on the 1st rounder they wanted.

A similar package from a team like Montreal right now would be something like Juulsen + Artturi Lehkonen + Scherbak + late 1st. I doubt the Avs would be happy with that for Duchene, though I'm not sure how much more he could get than ROR.

The shine wore off Zadorov the instant the trade happened, not before.

If the asking price is Hanifin, 1st, and a roster player, hopefully Francis stays away. Hanifin for Duchene is risky enough and a lot of canes fans are mixed about it. Add in a first AND a roster player would be too much, but may be not if that roster player is something like PDG. The canes will probably just sell off Fleury instead then if we are going to make a Dmen-forward deal.

For a dman of Hanifin's caliber, I'd imagine the adds would go down significantly.

So by that, it would be

Rielly + 2nd + Bracco

for

Duchene

Yeah....

Get real dude. No one is paying that for a 60 - 70 point forward who doesn't play defense well and is really just a good offensive piece. He is Kessel as a center. No one will win a cup with him as their #1 C.

Stupid price, he won't get close to that.

Que? Dutchy may not win a selke in his career but he's become a good two way player, on top of being an elite faceoff man and 5on5 producer, who's gunna come close to a second straight 30 goal season on a historically impotent team.

 

[smackdaddy]

I don't think we are living in denial. Fact is the avs are the oilers without a Mcdavid in sight.

Not the Oilers of this year but of 2 or 3 years prior

 

[THall4]

Nuge + Kelfbom

for

Barrie + Duchene

No thanks.

Klef's ceiling IMO is higher then Barrie's ..and is on a better deal.

Duchene > Nuge, however.

 

[twostroke27]

So by that, it would be

Rielly + 2nd + Bracco

for

Duchene

Yeah....

Get real dude. No one is paying that for a 60 - 70 point forward who doesn't play defense well and is really just a good offensive piece. He is Kessel as a center. No one will win a cup with him as their #1 C.

Stupid price, he won't get close to that.

Uhhhhhhh. Where does someone even start on this post. Duchene is a center (and one who is top five in faceoff percentage). He is a 60-70 point forward, which is absolutely nothing to laugh at these days. He isn't going to win a selke anytime soon, but he is good in his own zone.

And no, Rielly for Duchene would probably be straight up or the avs would be adding. I have no idea how you came to a conclusion like that.

 

[Viqsi]

Wait. Wait. You mean a GM that's offering a #1C wants, in the return, to insist on exactly what his team needs and has no interest in lesser packages? My goodness gracious! Why, that's absolutely shocking and completely unprecedented!

* * *​

Columbus should offer Dubois, Milano, Jack Johnson and 1st 2017

Should get it done in no time.

I think we'll pass.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You're not actually arguing that a guy who is 2.5 years from free agency should have less value than an impeding free agent are you? You have 2.5 years on a very good hockey team to leave a good impression on Duchene to re-sign after that 2.5 years is up. And unlike ROR, Duchene has never been an issue when it comes to contract negotiations.

What's next? Dude only has 4 years left on his contract and now that is going to limit his value?

If Montreal wants Duchene it will be for a long-term relationship and they will pay as such. He JUST turned 26 and is signed through 2019. There is no rental discount here, no matter how you want to spin it.

No, My whole argument with some people is Duchene's value is different depending on his contract term. Some are indicating his value is like he is signed long term like (lets say 4, 5 or 6+ years beyond this year). The closer you get to UFA, the less value you have in the trade market. For a guy like Duchene, the value doesn't drop off the cliff overnight but he is after all a career 0.75 pts per game over 538 games. That puts him right around the 60 pts per season average. I'm a Duchene fan but some are putting him on a pedestal and he's really a slightly above average top 6 center in this league if you truly be realistic and take a look at his numbers.

All I'm doing is probably saying what all 29 other GM's probably tell Sakic when they are talking. Aves's can demand all they want (as well as some fans), but the market value is what will be offered for a career 60 pts per season guy who has 2.5 season left till UFA.

 

[twostroke27]

way too high for Duchene, to use the sakic logic then why not Duchene + MacKinnon at 12.3 mil per season for the both and a total of 26 goals for Max P at 4.5mil per total and 24 goals by himself, the steal of the NHL, in fact Sakic should add a 1st to get that 4.5mil contract.

[MOD]The logic you guys seem to be presenting is seriously clouded.

 

[twostroke27]

No thanks.

Klef's ceiling IMO is higher then Barrie's ..and is on a better deal.

Duchene > Nuge, however.

The avs take that deal and run lol.

 

[RangerBoy]

Is that really a high ask for a #1 center/top line center? This is not Catholic Charities.

 

[Hennessy]

Good for Sakic. There's zero reason to trade Duchene unless it's an offer he can't refuse. He's a young center on a great contract - not like he's something a team rebuilding needs to jettison. Wait for the right deal. If none comes, keep him.

 

[cgf]

The avs take that deal and run lol.

Eh. I like Klef a lot, but Duchene is the best player in that deal and I like Barrie more than I do RNH.

 

[Viqsi]

I know a lot of Avs fans will live in denial but the parallels between the Avalanche and the Oilers from 2 years ago are pretty interesting. Oilers should be a cautionary tail for them and the first thing they should do is gut their front office and coaching staff and replace them with experienced personnel. The year before the McDavid draft Bob Nicholson was hired around Christmas time and he had Mactavish fire Eakins almost immediately and then basically put a freeze on him making any drastic moves to prevent him from doing anymore damage. As soon as the season was over they shuffled Katz old boys like Lowe, McTavish, Buchberger to the outskirts and Chiarelli was hired and he fired basically the entire scouting staff and restructured the front office with his guys.


Just off the top of my head:

- GM and POHO who is an ex player and has no front office experience.
- Rookie coach who was good in AHL but has no NHL experience and is in way over his head.
- A forward core consisting of some nice pieces.
- Garbage blue line that lacking at least 2 top 4 players.
- Worst team in the league with horrible GF and GA numbers.

A lot of Oilers fans would always pull out the "if we can't get the deal we want then we will just keep them". Problem was the team just kept being crap, the losing wore on the players and they became less engaged and other teams knew the Oilers desperation was growing and the offers only got worse.

The Avs-Oilers comparison works best if you're talking about acquiring a defenseman by trading Landeskog, not Duchene.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I guess we can no longer use Barberios as the centerpiece of a Duchene trade.

 

[trostol]

Good for Sakic. There's zero reason to trade Duchene unless it's an offer he can't refuse. He's a young center on a great contract - not like he's something a team rebuilding needs to jettison. Wait for the right deal. If none comes, keep him.

not so much singling you out, but i see this thrown around a lot..not just with Duchene..but he is 26..in the mind of hockey people...how long does this young period last? lo lI mean while 26 is not my age and yes would be considered..young..when does this young period end and these young players are considered..well not young

for me once you hit pretty much 25 i do not think young can be described any more for a player..especially one thats been in the league longer then a couple years

 

[cgf]

I guess we can no longer use Barberios as the centerpiece of a Duchene trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No, we all believe a random message board idea instead, it's much more reliable

Well, I'm not the only one who has said the Sabres negotiated a behind the scenes sign and trade deal So how random is it?

 

[MaxxMojo]

As a Habs fan who thinks Duchene is a perfect fit for the team and i'd easily accept almost any package that doesn't include Sergachev. Putting myself in Sakic's shoes, I wouldn't make any deal with the Habs that doesn't include Sergy + at a minimum. I just don't think the Habs have another piece that would mollify fans in Colorado and by extension, get Sakic off the hot seat. If a deals done before the deadline I think one of the two fan bases will be out with pitchforks and torches...

 

[puckluck33*]

Bergevin's targets are Duchene or Little for Duchene he offers Beaulieu,McCarron and a 1st if that is not enough you move on you do not trade Sergachev,Bergevin may just have to settle for the cheaper option at center Patrik Berglund in the last year of his contract.

 

[twostroke27]

not so much singling you out, but i see this thrown around a lot..not just with Duchene..but he is 26..in the mind of hockey people...how long does this young period last? lo lI mean while 26 is not my age and yes would be considered..young..when does this young period end and these young players are considered..well not young

for me once you hit pretty much 25 i do not think young can be described any more for a player..especially one thats been in the league longer then a couple years

Trust me, this is an HF thing. Duchene isn't a spring chicken anymore, but he's still young.