Dreger: Duchene Mega-thread: Habs, NSH inquired about Duchene. Asking price is ridiculous.

[Stormcrow]

Are you saying the cap hit this year, or for future years?

Both. Pro rated at TDL is one thing but teams are going to have to look at their rosters and think a few years down the road as well.

His cap hit (while justified) is still large.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Not sure how this is really news.


Sakic is the one who holds all the cards in this situation. If we dont get the offer we like, we're just as easy to keep Duchene. It's not like Duchene has requested a trade or the Avs are desperate for a major move. Something needs to happen eventually but it doesn't have to happen today or tomorrow.



Sounds to me like Sakic is playing hardball like he should and other GM's dont like the fact that it isn't easy for them to acquire a premier player in the league.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I might be wrong. I just wanted to show, from the stands, what players could be available in a trade involving Montreal.

That said, I'm not sure we can say Colorado received more in the O'Reilly trade...
Zadorov (stay at home D) + Grigorenko (3rd line material)+ Compher(we'll see)+ High 2nd round pick
FOR
O'Reilly + McGinn (3rd-4th line material).

I'm sorry, but if you don't really know the players involved, why comment on them at all?

Zadorov is not a stay at home D. That's preposterous.

He has all the tools to be a top pairing defenseman. He was a highly touted prospect who had already shown he could play at the NHL level.

Desharnais is worthless to us. You're essentially offering beaulieu and a late first.

 

[twostroke27]

Beaulieu + DD + Ghetto + 1st vs Duchene ... then dream Sakic to get something higher ... you won't ...

honestly, if that's the best the habs offer, I'd rather just hang on to him and trade him as a rental in two years. We'd easily get a 1st and a prospect that way.

 

[xECK29x]

Pulock, 1st, ?

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Honestly so what? The Avs are in no hurry to do anything this season. They're toast. Set the price high, and see if anyone starts getting desperate and comes close to offering it as February moves along. Plus, good centers don't often come up for trade. They can swing a franchise's direction at least to a degree. Someone might bite, or like I said at least come close to matching it. There's nothing wrong with what he's doing here.

 

[FireBurningBin]

It depends if "good young NHL defenceman" means something like Beaulieu or something like Provorov, and I imagine it's closer to the latter.

 

[cgf]

That doesn't seem any more ridiculous than what Sakic got for ROR when ROR only had 1 year left to UFA and his negotiation history...

 

[irunthepeg]

honestly, if that's the best the habs offer, I'd rather just hang on to him and trade him as a rental in two years. We'd easily get a 1st and a prospect that way.

Not sure about both but yeah you could definitely get 1 of those as a rental. I think the Avs should be wanting to keep him around long and lock him up. Has he said he wanted out or something? Or is this just about management wanting to blow it up and rebuild?

 

[Habitant le colon]

How generous of you to include a UFA cap dump and a player who passed waivers earlier this year.

HIGHLY doubt there isn't a better offer than this.
We got more than this for ROR.

I'm not an Avs fan but come on. DD is a salary dump, Ghetto cleared waivers so at best you are offering a very late first round in a weak draft and Beaulieu who is playing at best as a number 4 D.

Even with all the asking price Sakic won't get the moon... A 24yrs number 4 d-man that can be more if well surronded and in a team that want him ! As for those amazingly wrooooong comment about waiver remember Byron ! Nha you guys are going to feast yourself at the bottom to screwed the idea of Roy last summer ... No one will care about Sakic he is doomed

 

[Kritty]

Beaulieu + DD + Ghetto + 1st vs Duchene ... then dream Sakic to get something higher ... you won't ...

Haha, only a Habs fan would tell Sakic to keep dreaming if he thinks he'd get better than that. A 2nd pairing dman, cap dump, late 1st and bottom 6er for a top line forward. That's a dream reserved for Habs fans, not Sakic.

 

[CodeE]

Pulock, 1st, ?

I'd add Strome or Dal Colle and change the 1st to a 2nd.

But I'd honestly rather go after Landy than Duchene.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Both. Pro rated at TDL is one thing but teams are going to have to look at their rosters and think a few years down the road as well.

His cap hit (while justified) is still large.

I understand. But there are plenty of teams who can absorb 6 mil over the next two years. Not to mention having an entire offseason of creating space. Not to mention with an expansion draft where you're automatically going to lose a player.

Sure, some teams may not fit him. But I'd say more than 20 teams can afford his contract for 2 years following this one, or at least comfortably create space.

 

[cgf]

If it happens will be something like...

TO MTL: Duchene + "something"

TO COL: Plekanec, Beaulieu, (one of) Juulsen/McCarron/Scherbak, 1st

Sergachev is a deal-breaker and will not being going to Colorado.

If Sergachev isn't being offered than Duchene is a deal-breaker and will not being going to Montreal.

 

[Kritty]

It depends if "good young NHL defenceman" means something like Beaulieu or something like Provorov, and I imagine it's closer to the latter.

How can you even put those two young dmen in the same sentence?

 

[twostroke27]

Even with all the asking price Sakic won't get the moon... A 24yrs number 4 d-man that can be more if well surronded and in a team that want him ! As for those amazingly wrooooong comment about waiver remember Byron ! Nha you guys are going to feast yourself at the bottom to screwed the idea of Roy last summer ... No one will care about Sakic he is doomed

Again. I'm not sure what motivation the avs have to give you Duchene for that package. It's horrible. They could literally the late first by waiting two years. Why take the cap dump and the waiver wire material? So basically our saying the benefit for the team is your #4 dman? get out of herre

 

[AMDZen]

Not sure how this is really news.


Sakic is the one who holds all the cards in this situation. If we dont get the offer we like, we're just as easy to keep Duchene. It's not like Duchene has requested a trade or the Avs are desperate for a major move. Something needs to happen eventually but it doesn't have to happen today or tomorrow.



Sounds to me like Sakic is playing hardball like he should and other GM's dont like the fact that it isn't easy for them to acquire a premier player in the league.

Lol. Exactly.

Basically the synopsis of this "article" is the following:

Avalanche GM doing his job, using a valuable commodity to raise pricing among all interested parties.

GMs across the league also doing their job, using resources within the media to help lower the asking price by spreading hyperbole like "Sakic is just asking for the moon"

So basically. GMs across the league all doing their job in light of a GREAT player and his potential availability.

Good to know.

 

[BLNY]

I'm not an Avs fan but come on. DD is a salary dump, Ghetto cleared waivers so at best you are offering a very late first round in a weak draft and Beaulieu who is playing at best as a number 4 D.

He's moved around between second pair and first. I wouldn't call him the 4th best defender on the team though. When Markov went down, Nathan stepped up his game a lot. He's shown quite a bit this year.

That's all moot though. He's not a prospect age defender.

 

[Mister Ed]

Strome, Pulock and a 2nd would be a type of deal I could see, based on the OP.

 

[Kritty]

I'd add Strome or Dal Colle and change the 1st to a 2nd.

But I'd honestly rather go after Landy than Duchene.

The Avs are counting on some serious rebounds if they are going to make that deal. That would be a boom or bust deal. Either a huge win with the talent those players bring or Sakic is out of a jump real quick.

 

[Avs44]

Beaulieu + DD + Ghetto + 1st vs Duchene ... then dream Sakic to get something higher ... you won't ...

A second pairing defensman, a very late 1st round pick, plus a cap dump and player who passed through waivers for a signed 26 year old top line forward.


"You're dreaming if you think you'll get more!!!"

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Honestly, that ask looks pretty reasonable to me. Duchene is a #1C signed for another 2 years after this. Too bad the Sharks are out on this because I think we don't really have any D-man in the system that meets that requirement(s).

 

[WesMcCauley]

Ladd got a late 1st and a forward prospect that was never going to get out of Q's doghouse. It was also a team that was trying to defend its title and repeat as champs.

Sakic is asking for defense. Why should any team pay more than the Devils did for Hall, or the Preds did for Johansen? Those deals were 1 for 1, no extra picks or prospects. Young D are just valued more highly than late 1st round picks and forward prospects. In fact, the value isn't even remotely close.

What do you mean more? How is Sergachev and a 1st more than Jones and Larsson? They are higher picks(for what thats worth) and alot more proven than a guy like Sergachev. Problem with a young prospect is that he is unproven. Avs takes all the risk which is why i fully understand if they want a guy like Sergachev+1st if not more from Habs for example. Pretty understandable imo. Makes absolute no sense for Avs to trade Duchene if they arent getting a very good prospect+ in return.

 

[Kritty]

Strome, Pulock and a 2nd would be a type of deal I could see, based on the OP.

There are plenty of teams that could offer something more enticing than that. That's giving up a top liner player for "potential" that is very unsure of being realized.

 

[AMDZen]

Strome, Pulock and a 2nd would be a type of deal I could see, based on the OP.

Which might make sense to someone who hasn't bothered to read a single Duchene thread in this sub forum over the past couple months.

Here is a hint, it isn't.