Value of: Dubois

[Gil Gunderson]

He's gotten lost in the LA lifestyle sauce

Reminds me of JR Smith from the NBA, when asked if he misses not being in LA or NY, and said there is nothing to do in cleveland and it is boring as heck, so all you can do is focus on your game.

Maybe this cat aint built for a city like LA

Columbus/Winnipeg too small, LA too big. We need to find the right city to optimize his performance.

 

[CanadienShark]

bread has solid nmc but say for sake of discussion he waives b'c LA is a good fit and he KNOWS when this contract is up, ny will put its cap $$ elsewhere.

Panarin is producing. He's another 4-ish m in $$$, but that # is off the books much sooner.

For that reason, huge Kings add required.
If bread retained, then even more required.

Only pieces of interest substantial enuf is Byfield + Clarke, who are elcs


bread retained 3.1x down to 8 per
for
PLD + Byfield + Clarke

somethin like dat

Are you trying to outdo yourself, or just getting lazy and still love the attention?

 

[Guitpik]

Dubois isn’t going anywhere. Blake made him our long-term problem or solution, however it shakes out. My belief is that Blake’s career in LA moving forward is directly tied to this contract.

Either way, it’s too early to be hitting the panic button.

 

[Cancuks]

Columbus/Winnipeg too small, LA too big. We need to find the right city to optimize his performance.

Avangard in Omsk has a nice ring to it.

 

[Gm0ney]

Winnipeg is a bit lucky that some players don't want to be here. It keeps the Jets out of foolish big-ticket UFA deals, and it seems like "I don't want to play in Winnipeg" is a red flag for deeper character flaws...

 

[bernmeister]

Nobody asked for a retrained Panarin, though. You squeezed him in to then take 2 players they think highly for the future. Is Panarin for 2 more years worth a decade of both just to get out of PLD's contract? Ask yourself if you would do that?
When trading with another team, they're also looking for the trade to benefit them. Not all trades are you must hands down win the trade for your side. Buying out PLD at the end of the season is pretty much the Goodrow contract, with a bunch of 1 million/year tacked on. Would you give up Byfield and Clark to do that? Do you think 2 years of Panarin is worth it for them?

They have 7 players with 500 games or more. They can't just get rid of their young core.

Nobody asked for a retrained Panarin, though.
OP lamented on situation and did not restrict potential solutions.
Hence nobody did not ask for him, either.

You squeezed him in to then take 2 players they think highly for the future. Is Panarin for 2 more years worth a decade of both just to get out of PLD's contract? Ask yourself if you would do that?
Every situation is different based on specifics.
That disclaimer aside, yes, me personally, I usually go with quality youth to best manage cap and extend window.
Worth it in that/this situation.
Depends.
Counterargument is how long do you keep pld cap albatross?

When trading with another team, they're also looking for the trade to benefit them.
Yes, concur.
view this as potential win win
Rs prob have to add Sykora + Scanlin to offset loss of youth, but I said "something like dat" as basis.


Not all trades are you must hands down win the trade for your side. Buying out PLD at the end of the season is pretty much the Goodrow contract, with a bunch of 1 million/year tacked on. Would you give up Byfield and Clark to do that? Do you think 2 years of Panarin is worth it for them?
Do they want to have PLD drag this season?
Also, bread is not getting 10 m+ from anywhere, but he's made enuf $$$.
Not inconceivable Panarin could do 5 or 5.5 x 2 after this as opposed to more $$ elsewhere if he likes the setup.
If that is the case, it is not just 2 yrs bread.
And if he walks, that is signif cap recovery w'o buyout payments vs cap

I would not say Goodrow comp is apt
Rs can eat half and unload Good at 2 per and even get value
PLD retained is problematic.


They have 7 players with 500 games or more. They can't just get rid of their young core
It is 2 players one a pivot, one a backliner.
Short term, they have C depth, and they can use quality W help
Short term + losing D is a prob I agree, but that is league wide shortage of good D, welcome to the club

 

[YP44]

Winnipeg is a bit lucky that some players don't want to be here. It keeps the Jets out of foolish big-ticket UFA deals, and it seems like "I don't want to play in Winnipeg" is a red flag for deeper character flaws...

this is actually very true. Flip side is you may have to overpay to bring in guys too.

 

[Guitpik]

Nobody asked for a retrained Panarin, though.
OP lamented on situation and did not restrict potential solutions.
Hence nobody did not ask for him, either.

You squeezed him in to then take 2 players they think highly for the future. Is Panarin for 2 more years worth a decade of both just to get out of PLD's contract? Ask yourself if you would do that?
Every situation is different based on specifics.
That disclaimer aside, yes, me personally, I usually go with quality youth to best manage cap and extend window.
Worth it in that/this situation.
Depends.
Counterargument is how long do you keep pld cap albatross?

When trading with another team, they're also looking for the trade to benefit them.
Yes, concur.
view this as potential win win
Rs prob have to add Sykora + Scanlin to offset loss of youth, but I said "something like dat" as basis.


Not all trades are you must hands down win the trade for your side. Buying out PLD at the end of the season is pretty much the Goodrow contract, with a bunch of 1 million/year tacked on. Would you give up Byfield and Clark to do that? Do you think 2 years of Panarin is worth it for them?
Do they want to have PLD drag this season?
Also, bread is not getting 10 m+ from anywhere, but he's made enuf $$$.
Not inconceivable Panarin could do 5 or 5.5 x 2 after this as opposed to more $$ elsewhere if he likes the setup.
If that is the case, it is not just 2 yrs bread.
And if he walks, that is signif cap recovery w'o buyout payments vs cap

I would not say Goodrow comp is apt
Rs can eat half and unload Good at 2 per and even get value
PLD retained is problematic.


They have 7 players with 500 games or more. They can't just get rid of their young core
It is 2 players one a pivot, one a backliner.
Short term, they have C depth, and they can use quality W help
Short term + losing D is a prob I agree, but that is league wide shortage of good D, welcome to the club

Allow me to counter this in every way, shape and form and just say “No”.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

They laughed and laughed at Dvorak 2nd and Harris , now we wouldn't even give that up. Who's laughing now

 

[Lt Dan]

They laughed and laughed at Dvorak 2nd and Harris , now we wouldn't even give that up. Who's laughing now

My first guess is going to be a hyena

 

[CapSpace]

Montreal dodged a bullet big time with this floating red flag.

 

[sansabri]

They laughed and laughed at Dvorak 2nd and Harris , now we wouldn't even give that up. Who's laughing now

looking at how the Jets are doing in the standings... them?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

looking at how the Jets are doing in the standings... them?

100% , good on them , absolute fleecing

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

He reportedly gave Winnipeg a short list. LA was one of few places he was willing to go to, Montreal was another and there were others.

I'm just not sure as much as changed as people seem to think. Dubois is actually producing at a (slightly) higher rate 5v5 than he ever has in Winnipeg with generally worse linemates and he's still doing things to drive offense. I'm not sure he was ever good defensively, but he was bad there in Winnipeg and him running hot and cold and taking shifts off are also not a new story. The difference now is that he's not getting prime PP time. A lot of forwards that people think are amazing aren't going to look good if they're not playing PP1 with complementary players.

He's still a youngish big C though. Teams would still be interested. But what LA would get back in a trade would be far less appealing than what they gave up, which makes it hard to imagine they would move him now.

Agree on the non-bolded section!

On the bolded part - PLD is 25 and has 7 years in the league. He downright gave up on 3 different organizations to force a trade. I think there would maybe be a desperate GM that would be willing to give him a shot, EXCEPT for his contract. He's locked up for 7.5 more years @ $8.5M per year.

The closest comparable I've got is Ryan Johansson. NASH had to eat 50% of his contract for 2 years and got essentially nothing in return. That was only for 2 years remaining.

If PLD were to be bought out - I'm sure there would be interest in a short term deal to see if he could get his shyte straightened out. He's got skills and the measurables, so there would always be someone willing to take a low-risk chance, but no one's touching the ~$65M left on that deal.

 

[Viqsi]

Winnipeg is a bit lucky that some players don't want to be here. It keeps the Jets out of foolish big-ticket UFA deals, and it seems like "I don't want to play in Winnipeg" is a red flag for deeper character flaws...

It's kind of curious how so many times folks rush to blame the city when it ultimately turns out to be the player. Kind of shows a thing or two about how some people think.

 

[3074326]

I get year ones hasn't been good but the guy is still young.

Same story at every stop. No more excuses

It's kind of curious how so many times folks rush to blame the city when it ultimately turns out to be the player. Kind of shows a thing or two about how some people think.

They don’t think. They’re as ignorant as they are arrogant. Just a large group of idiots.

 

[HuGort]

That's why you should know the player first before giving out the big contract

 

[McBooya42]

You like soup? Edmonton's got a soup we can give.

 

[RC51]

DUBOIS DUBOIS DUBOIS. lets see, he played at 50% in winnipeg in order to get traded and get a huge contract, now he has it and now has f--you money he is doing the same thing again. 50% effort for LA. Habs got lucky not getting him. Nobody is now going to touch him.

 

[ZDH]

looking at how the Jets are doing in the standings... them?

If Montreal is laughing it's that weird laugh fit you get when you slam your shin off a hard object and want to cry but just end up laughing.

 

[YP44]

DUBOIS DUBOIS DUBOIS. lets see, he played at 50% in winnipeg in order to get traded and get a huge contract, now he has it and now has f--you money he is doing the same thing again. 50% effort for LA. Habs got lucky not getting him. Nobody is now going to touch him.

50% is generous for LA

 

[yianik]

No question Dubois is a head case, but he does have talent. LA isn't getting anything for him right now and obviously not remotely close to what they paid.

Just keep him. Wouldn't be surprised if the next 2 seasons he hits 30g and 65 points a year. Guy is just prone to vanishing and unreliable. But I would be more shocked if he doesn't play much better in the future, for a while.

 

[King'sPawn]

Torts was so right about that kid.

If I was LA, I'd give it a year. If he doesn't rebound, just buy him out and get rid of him. You can't have a lazy floater like that infesting a dressing room full of kids.

Can't wait a year. His NMC kicks in next season.

If the Kings want to buy him out, it had better be before next season. Otherwise, they couldn't even waive him.

 

[bernmeister]

Allow me to counter this in every way, shape and form and just say “No”.

Allow me to pt out this ^ is unsubstantiated

 

[bernmeister]

One other thing...
there's a middle road here

If productive Panarin for useless PLD
AND bread NOT retained
then not need to add Clarke
Byfield is enuf