LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[summer tooth]

A lot of folks believe Pierre Dubois is in fact a drama queen, but perhaps he's just trying to do what's best for his agent/career.

 

[Canadienna]

A lot of folks believe Pierre Dubois is in fact a drama queen, but perhaps he's just trying to do what's best for his agent/career.

He's also gone about leaving in a pretty good way for the Jets. By agreeing to a sign and trade before he hits UFA, he will leave them with a solid return.

 

[Fatass]

He has less leverage than what Horvat had.

How so? Bo was in his final year before free agency. So is PLD. The club who trades for him, like the Islanders did with Bo, either pay up or he walks July 1, 2024.

 

[John Mandalorian]

How so? Bo was in his final year before free agency. So is PLD. The club who trades for him, like the Islanders did with Bo, either pay up or he walks July 1, 2024.

Horvat didn't try to maneuver his way out of town. He was traded with 2ish months left until he was a FA.

If things go poorly, PLD has to endure a full year of misery before he "wins" his freedom.

Let's say WPG decides the offers aren't substantial enough, what then?

 

[Mersss]

Horvat didn't try to maneuver his way out of town. He was traded with 2ish months left until he was a FA.

If things go poorly, PLD has to endure a full year of misery before he "wins" his freedom.

Let's say WPG decides the offers aren't substantial enough, what then?

They are stuck paying him 6M a year for a season, while he can do what the hell he wants.

Simple as that. And come the TDL, the offers will only be worse!

 

[John Mandalorian]

They are stuck paying him 6M a year for a season, while he can do what the hell he wants.

Simple as that. And come the TDL, the offers will only be worse!

No. Not "while he can do what the hell he wants. " If WPG thinks his attitude is a negative influence, they can tell him to stay home. If he doesn't play many games, because of this, good luck explaining that to your next team.

His rep can take on even more damage than it has already.

 

[TS Quint]

Exactly, they'll be in same position... bottom of the league with at least 4.5M/year less cap space to fill out their roster next 3 years. Like I said, no one is denying Dubois is better. But what's the point trading a 21/22 yr old guy who was looking really good on his way to being at least a 50+ point C/RW (and more assets) for a guy who will likely have trouble putting 60+ points with no good players to help him? Team building wise, it isn't a smart move.

That is something maybe the Rangers or Kings can do. But with them, cap is more of an issue. Maybe you guys can get Lafreniere or Byfield and take on cap dumps.

You don't get better unless you get better.
I see plenty of Habs fans here who think they're 10+ deep in the prospects pool. It's time to give then some one to play with

 

[Frank Drebin]

Horvat didn't try to maneuver his way out of town. He was traded with 2ish months left until he was a FA.

If things go poorly, PLD has to endure a full year of misery before he "wins" his freedom.

Let's say WPG decides the offers aren't substantial enough, what then?

Then both the Jets and pld lose

No. Not "while he can do what the hell he wants. " If WPG thinks his attitude is a negative influence, they can tell him to stay home. If he doesn't play many games, because of this, good luck explaining that to your next team.

His rep can take on even more damage than it has already.

Well sure and the Jets lose out on whatever lousy assets the Habs were going to send them in order to teach a former jet a lesson.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Then both the Jets and pld lose


Well sure and the Jets lose out on whatever lousy assets the Habs were going to send them in order to teach a former jet a lesson.

Teaching a lesson or whatever. WPG has absolute and total discretion to decide "is this worth it?"

 

[glr1926]

I kind of think that WPG will sell PLD at a discount as a rental for a contender if they can't find a good return on a deal that sends him somewhere with an extension

 

[ole ole]

Never watched him, except for when I watched him get swept by my Habs! Sorry for not worshipping at the shrine of the 60 point superstar

A soon to be 9 mil$ 60 point superstar.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Stop bringing up Dach as a superstar for no reason and problem solved. No one cares other than delusional Habs fans.

And you double down on it. I promise I (and any other habs fans) won’t bring Dach up anymore if you simply don’t include him in trade proposals. It’s not rocket science

Not super unusual, the trade board is full of threads where a fanbase tells you how great the guy they want to trade you is, and then you go to that team's board and there's pages dumping on the guy.



PLD is no Matthew Tkachuk, but he limited Calgary to 3 teams and he returned Huberdeau and Weegar. PLD won't return that obviously but I think it also makes sense to think that he'll bring back something a little better than a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

I guess you’re right

 

[Mersss]

No. Not "while he can do what the hell he wants. " If WPG thinks his attitude is a negative influence, they can tell him to stay home. If he doesn't play many games, because of this, good luck explaining that to your next team.

His rep can take on even more damage than it has already.

They can, and at that point, if PLD thinks he don't deserve it he can lawyer up and sue for defamation and loss of revenue.

Don't think the Jets would want a 100M$ lawsuit (los of revenue 8x8 + defamation + damages)

Great press for any future signing to the Jets right?

Two can play that game.

 

[Whileee]

Jets' leverage is directly related to the market, and the trade price will be set by the underbidder(s).

Potential bidders:

A. Montreal (confirmed interest)
B. 4-5 other sign-and-trade teams (reported)
C. Potential 1-year "rental" contender teams (speculative)

A and B could be in direct bidding competition.

If A and B don't offer much, then the Jets can still look at group C, which would consist of teams that might have an interest in "renting" Dubois for the season and playoff run.

It really only takes a couple of bidders to generate some leverage for the Jets. Looking at rental prices for similar players, that probably sets the "floor" for the trade value.

As for concerns that the Jets have been losers in the Laine / Dubois, they have gained a combined 500 games, 203 goals / 393 points from those two players over the past 7 seasons, for a very low cap hit. Now, the Jets will likely get at minimum a 1st and decent prospect in trade, and another team will end up paying a premium for Dubois' next 7-8 seasons.

 

[Gillings]

I beat you would be happy. Do you really think there is any chance that the Rangers would offer Braden Schneider & Chytil for Dubois?


Ya i would 2nd this.

No thank you! Dvorak and a 2nd and that only if Dubois is signing something like 4 years under 6.25$

 

[Gillings]

I've been asking for Dach and FLA 1st all along, so blame me

I still think it's a fair trade. I don't understand Habs fans infatuation with Dach. Sure, I get why they'd be hesitant to give him up if they thought they could get PLD for free in a year but now it looks like that's not the case.

PLD is currently the better player, he's just entering his prime and will still be in it if/when the Habs can become competitive again. Basically Habs fans don't want the sure thing, just in case their shiny new toy might actually turn into the sure thing. Completely nonsensical.

And all the talk of PLD not fitting their window is ridiculous, given the fact he's only a year older than Suzuki

As a Jets fan, I take PLD over Dach 100 times out of 100 moving forward but since that won't be the case, I'd settle for Dach as a consolation

The point is to have both players. The only way dubois brings in dach is for an overpayment. Younger, more cost control and frankly higher potential.

 

[BB88]

A lot of folks believe Pierre Dubois is in fact a drama queen, but perhaps he's just trying to do what's best for his agent/career.

You never quit your team during the game.

 

[Buffdog]

The point is to have both players. The only way dubois brings in dach is for an overpayment. Younger, more cost control and frankly higher potential.

But if Chevy calls and says "PLD is yours for Dach, or else I'm going to take a different offer", a GM would be negligent (in my opinion) not to make the upgrade. In other words, it's one or the other

 

[Gillings]

A lot of folks believe Pierre Dubois is in fact a drama queen, but perhaps he's just trying to do what's best for his agent/career.

Absolutely, I think when players want what they want they get a bad rap, but the owners and agents are always after what they wants and rarely get the same rap. It’s is 100% ok to not want to play in a certain city or with a certain team and that should be OK. Provided, IMO, that player gives his all in the time he’s with the current team if at all possible.

 

[John Mandalorian]

They can, and at that point, if PLD thinks he don't deserve it he can lawyer up and sue for defamation and loss of revenue.

Don't think the Jets would want a 100M$ lawsuit (los of revenue 8x8 + defamation + damages)

Great press for any future signing to the Jets right?

Two can play that game.

Nope. They're obligated to pay him. If they want to pay him to sit at home, it's within their discretion.

 

[Mersss]

Nope. They're obligated to pay him. If they want to pay him to sit at home, it's within their discretion.

They have to have proof of that. Otherwise they are opening themselves to litigation.

 

[John Mandalorian]

They have to have proof of that. Otherwise they are opening themselves to litigation.

They'd have no grounds.

 

[Guffman]

1. Yea but his last contract may have had a NTC. I'm not privy to his current contract. Anyway if they trade him, and there is no extension cause he doesn't want to sign, what's the point. He could still have an offer sheet from the team he goes, And the new team get him for only one year. Nobody would risk that.

2. It doesn't have to be 9 million. It can be 7.5 or whatever. And then the Jets cannot trade him when they match. And he can just sign with the Habs next year.

But the best thing for Dubois if he really want to sign long-term with the Habs, he just have to say to the Jets GM that they are the only team he would be willing to sign long-term with.

p.s. Damn you act like your av look!

1. You cannot have a NTC during the RFA years of a contract. There should not have been a mystery to you if you knew the basics.

2. Jets would welcome any offer sheet by Montreal that gives them Montreal's 2024 1st round pick. Montreal will continue to suck next year so there should be very good value with that pick. Please do that. PLEASE!

 

[tbcwpg]

They have to have proof of that. Otherwise they are opening themselves to litigation.

The Jets ownership rarely wants to pay a player to stay home. If he's signed to a 1 year deal here he'll play. However, if the coaching staff decides to scratch him for 82 games they're within their rights to do so, as long as Dubois is getting paid.

 

[waitin425]

But if Chevy calls and says "PLD is yours for Dach, or else I'm going to take a different offer", a GM would be negligent (in my opinion) not to make the upgrade. In other words, it's one or the other

PLD is not an "upgrade" over Dach in terms of value. Dach's trajectory is PLD and quite possibly above. He is younger, cost controlled, and fits well with our team. If Chevy calls up and demands Dach for PLD or else......