LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Buffdog]

Yes, PLD is clearly an upgrade on Dach. But how much will the Habs have to him? Is PLD at 8.5 or 9 x 8 better than Dach?

If Dach is that good, you'll have to pay him a good chunk of that in that in a couple of years anyway

As a Jets fan who has watched PLD almost every game, I'd be comfortable paying him 8.XM over 8 years if he wanted to stay

 

[Baksfamous112]

For no reason what so ever. No one asks for him. Habs fans just start talking crazy shit for no reason. Maybe once he does well and isn't the 3rd best player on his line you can start talking like he is something.

It’s mostly Jets fans who keep telling us how Dach is meh at best yet it’s the one guy they REALLY want. Trust me no one in Montreal is interested in discussing about Dach going the other way

 

[larek]

PLD is an upgrade on Dach. They can make the swap and be in the same position, except that they got better


Pass

You look at both teams and the offensive talent and then Habs had most injuries of anyone in league
I don't think Dubois is really much of an upgrade and add Dubois going thru so many teams not satisfied

 

[Buffdog]

You look at both teams and the offensive talent and then Habs had most injuries of anyone in league
I don't think Dubois is really much of an upgrade and add Dubois going thru so many teams not satisfied

Francophone factor is a thing, let's not pretend it isn't

Having Toews WANT to come back to Winnipeg in his prime would have been huge for this market

Plus PLD plays with a grit you don't often see in top 6 centres

 

[TS Quint]

It’s mostly Jets fans who keep telling us how Dach is meh at best yet it’s the one guy they REALLY want. Trust me no one in Montreal is interested in discussing about Dach going the other way

Stop bringing up Dach as a superstar for no reason and problem solved. No one cares other than delusional Habs fans.

 

[HABitual Fan]

No offense but that quote/saying is ripping off Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens.

Didn't know, I actually heard it many years ago from a statistics professor of mine. What was the original quote?

 

[Frank Drebin]

I'm sorry, who are you again?

Lmao this guy complaining about Habs fans being distracting or whatever it is. Taking away from the "good stuff", all the while littering the thread with useless snipes.

 

[larek]

Francophone factor is a thing, let's not pretend it isn't

Having Toews WANT to come back to Winnipeg in his prime would have been huge for this market

Plus PLD plays with a grit you don't often see in top 6 centres

Dach would knock Dubois straight out

 

[Frank Drebin]

Anyways moving on. Hope you guys get the return you want. (It's not going to be dach)

 

[tbcwpg]

It’s mostly Jets fans who keep telling us how Dach is meh at best yet it’s the one guy they REALLY want. Trust me no one in Montreal is interested in discussing about Dach going the other way

Not super unusual, the trade board is full of threads where a fanbase tells you how great the guy they want to trade you is, and then you go to that team's board and there's pages dumping on the guy.

So not only is Chevy trading him only to a handful of team (5-6) let's say 50% of them can't afford him or don't want to trade the assets required. He's also on a very tight 2weeks constraint before July 1st

Yet... jets fans think he's getting a 1st + a top prospect ++

When you are in a weak position, you don't get out of their with a fair deal, you loae the deal.

PLD is no Matthew Tkachuk, but he limited Calgary to 3 teams and he returned Huberdeau and Weegar. PLD won't return that obviously but I think it also makes sense to think that he'll bring back something a little better than a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

 

[Wats]

PLD is an upgrade on Dach. They can make the swap and be in the same position, except that they got better


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Exactly, they'll be in same position... bottom of the league with at least 4.5M/year less cap space to fill out their roster next 3 years. Like I said, no one is denying Dubois is better. But what's the point trading a 21/22 yr old guy who was looking really good on his way to being at least a 50+ point C/RW (and more assets) for a guy who will likely have trouble putting 60+ points with no good players to help him? Team building wise, it isn't a smart move.

That is something maybe the Rangers or Kings can do. But with them, cap is more of an issue. Maybe you guys can get Lafreniere or Byfield and take on cap dumps.

 

[lomiller1]

No offense, but I don't put much faith in all these charts and models.

Then watch him play, it shows the same thing. What you did was just make stuff up about a player you've clearly never watched.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Pr

I remember Rangers fans claiming Trouba wouldn't get the deal he did. Guess whose in charge of your club now?

Pre cap flat era

 

[John Mandalorian]

Didn't know, I actually heard it many years ago from a statistics professor of mine. What was the original quote?

Wow. It appears like it was this whole thing and with lots of roots. Twains quote appears to be derived from somewhere else. But then it turns into a rabbit role.

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics

Apologies if I was in the wrong.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach would knock Dubois straight out

Lol no doubt, still remember how he hit Dubas and eyed him. Or knocked out a guy out of nowhere like a boss.

 

[Buffdog]

Exactly, they'll be in same position... bottom of the league with at least 4.5M/year less cap space to fill out their roster next 3 years. Like I said, no one is denying Dubois is better. But what's the point trading a 21/22 yr old guy who was looking really good on his way to being at least a 50+ point C/RW (and more assets) for a guy who will likely have trouble putting 60+ points with no good players to help him? Team building wise, it isn't a smart move.

That is something maybe the Rangers or Kings can do. But with them, cap is more of an issue. Maybe you guys can get Lafreniere or Byfield and take on cap dumps.

But if Dach is on the trajectory that Habs fans claim, he'll be getting Dubois money then anyway

By making the swap, you're guaranteeing you have that calibre player at thet time. What if Dach regresses and you missed out on PLD?

 

[Fatass]

Not super unusual, the trade board is full of threads where a fanbase tells you how great the guy they want to trade you is, and then you go to that team's board and there's pages dumping on the guy.



PLD is no Matthew Tkachuk, but he limited Calgary to 3 teams and he returned Huberdeau and Weegar. PLD won't return that obviously but I think it also makes sense to think that he'll bring back something a little better than a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

Imo Dubois is better than Bo Horvat. Plus he’s four years younger, and just entering his prime. Horvat returned a first (that ended up 17 OA) a good centre prospect and a 24 year old winger who played first line minutes and put up more points than Horvat did post trade.
PLD should return more than Horvat. And his next contract will likely be at least what BoHo got.

 

[Frank Drebin]

But if Dach is on the trajectory that Habs fans claim, he'll be getting Dubois money then anyway

By making the swap, you're guaranteeing you have that calibre player at thet time. What if Dach regresses and you missed out on PLD?

Pld type players are moved every season. We'll survive

 

[HABitual Fan]

Then watch him play, it shows the same thing. What you did was just make stuff up about a player you've clearly never watched.

Never watched him, except for when I watched him get swept by my Habs! Sorry for not worshipping at the shrine of the 60 point superstar

 

[John Mandalorian]

Imo Dubois is better than Bo Horvat. Plus he’s four years younger, and just entering his prime. Horvat returned a first (that ended up 17 OA) a good centre prospect and a 24 year old winger who played first line minutes and put up more points than Horvat did post trade.
PLD should return more than Horvat. And his next contract will likely be at least what BoHo got.

He has less leverage than what Horvat had.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He has less leverage than what Horvat had.

Horvat was lighting the league up prior to his trade as well. 50 goal pace

 

[HABitual Fan]

But if Dach is on the trajectory that Habs fans claim, he'll be getting Dubois money then anyway

By making the swap, you're guaranteeing you have that calibre player at thet time. What if Dach regresses and you missed out on PLD?

No great loss, as PLD is a luxury not a need at this time.

Also more than likely he'll be looking for a trade out of wherever he winds up in 3 years or so, if we do need him.

 

[Wats]

But if Dach is on the trajectory that Habs fans claim, he'll be getting Dubois money then anyway

By making the swap, you're guaranteeing you have that calibre player at thet time. What if Dach regresses and you missed out on PLD?

Then more lottery picks and cap space. Dach has 3 years at 3.4M. There's also no guarantee PLD both can produce without offensive talent on his line and won't ask for another trade after being on a bad Habs team. It's not really a sure thing making the trade either.

 

[McVespa99]

What makes him "unreliable"?

Is he any more unreliable than Suzuki or Caulfield? How exactly? Are they overpaid?

Im talking unreliable as a team mate and member of an organization. The reasons for that have been discussed extensively here already.
And yes, both those guys are overpaid at the moment. Habs gambled on both of them. Only time will tell if they were right to do so. I would much rather take a bit of a gamble on the upside of Suzuki or Caulfield than PLD though.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Hughes doesn't need PLD; two years into a full rebuild & the fans are with him all the way...Chevy needs to trade PLD or the Jets are screwed...at the end of the day, every GM knows how much of a shyte spot the Jets are in; PLD isn't gonna net Chevy what he's worth...just a fact...