LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Frank Drebin]

Glad you are dug in deep for a long and slow re builld.

They usually are.

Just because Habs fans have dominated these threads with thousands of posts doesn't make anything they say true or good. It's obnoxious and it chases other reasonable people from other fan bases away.

We need more reasonable people with thicker skin, like you to keep everyone in line

 

[TS Quint]

I don't expect playoffs for 2 - 3 more years

Not without adding significant actual NHL pieces.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Not without adding significant actual NHL pieces.

Yeah, you and I just went over this.

 

[Buffdog]

For no reason what so ever. No one asks for him. Habs fans just start talking crazy shit for no reason. Maybe once he does well and isn't the 3rd best player on his line you can start talking like he is something.

I've been asking for Dach and FLA 1st all along, so blame me

I still think it's a fair trade. I don't understand Habs fans infatuation with Dach. Sure, I get why they'd be hesitant to give him up if they thought they could get PLD for free in a year but now it looks like that's not the case.

PLD is currently the better player, he's just entering his prime and will still be in it if/when the Habs can become competitive again. Basically Habs fans don't want the sure thing, just in case their shiny new toy might actually turn into the sure thing. Completely nonsensical.

And all the talk of PLD not fitting their window is ridiculous, given the fact he's only a year older than Suzuki

As a Jets fan, I take PLD over Dach 100 times out of 100 moving forward but since that won't be the case, I'd settle for Dach as a consolation

 

[TS Quint]

Dubois was at a 100 point pace for the first 50 games or so, then was injured in the second half and slowed down

I'm starting to like the way Habs fans look at things.

 

[TS Quint]

They usually are.


We need more reasonable people with thicker skin, like you to keep everyone in line

Do what you do big guy.

I'm just explaining what happens anytime the word "Jets" is mentioned. It's a flood of obsessed Habs fans giving discount offers or "we will just get hum for free as a UFA".

I've been asking for Dach and FLA 1st all along, so blame me

I still think it's a fair trade. I don't understand Habs fans infatuation with Dach. Sure, I get why they'd be hesitant to give him up if they thought they could get PLD for free in a year but now it looks like that's not the case.

PLD is currently the better player, he's just entering his prime and will still be in it if/when the Habs can become competitive again. Basically Habs fans don't want the sure thing, just in case their shiny new toy might actually turn into the sure thing. Completely nonsensical.

And all the talk of PLD not fitting their window is ridiculous, given the fact he's only a year older than Suzuki

As a Jets fan, I take PLD over Dach 100 times out of 100 moving forward but since that won't be the case, I'd settle for Dach as a consolation

For sure. Habs fans are being sold hope because being sold winning isn't possible. They're drunk on the hope.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Dach’s progression is not guaranteed. You know what you get with Dubois.

Not sure Dach will even be a centre. Dubois has the marketing bonus of being francophone.

That all said, if I am a Habs fan, I’d share your position and hope the market doesn’t pan out for Winnipeg, and maybe get Dubois for a discount.

From a Jets fan point of view, I hope Hughes makes a mistake.

Agreed Dach's progress is not guaranteed, if that happens, in 3 years there is no big contract or maybe even no contract at all.

Montreal lacks top 9 talent, if he finds his place on the wing that is also good, fills a need, and just means the search for a center will come either via draft, development of current prospects, trade or UFA when the need becomes more pressing in 3 years.

Dubois might be better than his 65 or so points or might not. My problem with him is that as good as a player he currently is, he doesn't seem to be the one who drives the play by making linemates better, he seems to need good linemates in order to produce.

More concerning to me is without insider knowledge I would be hesitant to commit to 8 years on a player I don't know the reasons for his past actions. Did he just hate the cities? The coaches and expectations for him from them? Really only wanted to play in one place? Just a diva or drama queen?

The Francophonie marketing is legit as you stated from a team perspective and maybe personal endorsements. However it is a double-edged sword for the player. He is under tremendous pressure to perform and be the next great local player. As well, you have to remember the probably 80-20 split in the province by language both in fans and media

Even though French is dominant, on the team the split is probably 90-10 English. What that means is anytime the journalists need a quote or soundi byte they go to the same 3 or 4 players. Not a problem when the team or player personally are doing well, but a real strain when they are not. Not everyone handles such pressure well. Can Dubois?

 

[Andrei79]

Some guy I don’t know on the Jets board said a trade was in fact complete with NY or NJ but won’t be announced until Cup is done.

Both would make more sense than the Canadiens. They have assets Montreal aren't willing to give imo. Unless PLD specifically wants Montreal, I think most other teams can give a better return.

 

[Guffman]

Agreed Dach's progress is not guaranteed, if that happens, in 3 years there is no big contract or maybe even no contract at all.

Montreal lacks top 9 talent, if he finds his place on the wing that is also good, fills a need, and just means the search for a center will come either via draft, development of current prospects, trade or UFA when the need becomes more pressing in 3 years.

Dubois might be better than his 65 or so points or might not. My problem with him is that as good as a player he currently is, he doesn't seem to be the one who drives the play by making linemates better, he seems to need good linemates in order to produce.

More concerning to me is without insider knowledge I would be hesitant to commit to 8 years on a player I don't know the reasons for his past actions. Did he just hate the cities? The coaches and expectations for him from them? Really only wanted to play in one place? Just a diva or drama queen?

The Francophonie marketing is legit as you stated from a team perspective and maybe personal endorsements. However it is a double-edged sword for the player. He is under tremendous pressure to perform and be the next great local player. As well, you have to remember the probably 80-20 split in the province by language both in fans and media

Even though French is dominant, on the team the split is probably 90-10 English. What that means is anytime the journalists need a quote or soundi byte they go to the same 3 or 4 players. Not a problem when the team or player personally are doing well, but a real strain when they are not. Not everyone handles such pressure well. Can Dubois?

Good post, Hab fan.

Dubois is an interesting player. When he’s on, he’s terrific. He played very well in the first half of the year, which helped drive Winnipeg to first place in the conference. Then, the second half wasn’t good. He did mention a hip injury after the season though.

He needs to work on his consistency or perhaps it’s motivation. He can be a great star.

If he does end up in Montreal and has that pressure of being the focal point of the francophone media, will he rise to that challenge? I don’t know… kinda think he won’t but who knows?

 

[Colezuki]

Both would make more sense than the Canadiens. They have assets Montreal aren't willing to give imo. Unless PLD specifically wants Montreal, I think most other teams can give a better return.

Trade would leak instantly

 

[Heldig]

Are you ok man? Collect a cheque?
I didnt say he would get less than that. Some idiot GM will probably give him more. But for an unreliable 60 point player anything over 6.5 is an overpay in my opinion.
Anyway Im not replying to you again. You seem to be having a tough day.

What makes him "unreliable"?

Is he any more unreliable than Suzuki or Caulfield? How exactly? Are they overpaid?

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

I agree, Montreal wont/shouldnt be nearly as bad next season. Add Dubois (without a significant roster takeaway) and they can compete for a wild card spot.

Jets dont need/want LHD either. Keep Harris.

Morrissey
Dillon
Samberg
Scmhidt
Stanley
Capobianco
Heinola

Jets are also not taking 2 cap dumps (Dvorak and Armia).

I dont mind the overall offer though. Counter:

1st round pick : MTL’s 2024 1st (top-5 protected) or CGY’s 2025 1st - cant have conditions forever. Jets will need some certainty in what they are getting.

- Prospect(s) : Farrell + Kidney

- NHL contract(s) : Dvorak (4.45M)

So it's:

Montreal's 2024 1st (top 5 protected)
Farrell
Kidney
Dvorak

For:

PLD with 8 year extention at 7,850 000

If this is the case then we have a deal.

 

[TS Quint]

Yeah, you and I just went over this.

I'm sorry, who are you again?

 

[larek]

He wants to go home - you would think that would be good for his play
But u don't know
Highly doubt Dach would be delt

 

[larek]

So it's:

Montreal's 2024 1st (top 5 protected)
Farrell
Kidney
Dvorak

For:

PLD with 8 year extention at 7,850 000

If this is the case then we have a deal.

Too much take one of Farrel or kidney off
Or else the 1st

 

[Kimota]

1. Dubois is an RFA. Jets can trade him to whoever they want without his permission.

2. If Montreal offered him a 1-year, $9M contract, they would owe the Jets 2 firsts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd. Jets take that compensation and run.

Thanks for that well thought out post rofl.

PS: Damn, you have over 37K posts and you came up with this? DUDE!!

1. Yea but his last contract may have had a NTC. I'm not privy to his current contract. Anyway if they trade him, and there is no extension cause he doesn't want to sign, what's the point. He could still have an offer sheet from the team he goes, And the new team get him for only one year. Nobody would risk that.

2. It doesn't have to be 9 million. It can be 7.5 or whatever. And then the Jets cannot trade him when they match. And he can just sign with the Habs next year.

But the best thing for Dubois if he really want to sign long-term with the Habs, he just have to say to the Jets GM that they are the only team he would be willing to sign long-term with.

p.s. Damn you act like your av look!

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Too much take one of Farrel or kidney off
Or else the 1st

Come on man be reasonable, they are taking Dvorak off our hands. We don't need Farrell and Kidney. We're getting PLD at the contract that we want. This is a great deal for the Habs.

 

[lomiller1]

Dubois might be better than his 65 or so points or might not. My problem with him is that as good as a player he currently is, he doesn't seem to be the one who drives the play by making linemates better, he seems to need good linemates in order to produce.

I'm guessing you've never seen him play. Those of us who have watched him now this already but both the eye-test and the stats show that he consistently makes the players arround him better.

 

[Wats]

I've been asking for Dach and FLA 1st all along, so blame me

I still think it's a fair trade. I don't understand Habs fans infatuation with Dach. Sure, I get why they'd be hesitant to give him up if they thought they could get PLD for free in a year but now it looks like that's not the case.

PLD is currently the better player, he's just entering his prime and will still be in it if/when the Habs can become competitive again. Basically Habs fans don't want the sure thing, just in case their shiny new toy might actually turn into the sure thing. Completely nonsensical.

And all the talk of PLD not fitting their window is ridiculous, given the fact he's only a year older than Suzuki

As a Jets fan, I take PLD over Dach 100 times out of 100 moving forward but since that won't be the case, I'd settle for Dach as a consolation

PLD is better yes. I don't think you'll find anyone argue against that. What you are not understanding is Montreal only has Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky up front in terms of core. It makes no sense to trade from that. Its like the Jets trading Dubois for another RFA that won't re-sign. Habs' need to add to their core. If Jets can find another young lottery pick that has upside to be a top 6 C, they should just go to that team.

 

[larek]

Come on man be reasonable, they are taking Dvorak off our hands. We don't need Farrell and Kidney. We're getting PLD at the contract that we want. This is a great deal for the Habs.

Dvorak only this year and then can be traded at some point in his last season
Take Gallagher and we pay half his first year and they got a deal

 

[Heldig]

So it's:

Montreal's 2024 1st (top 5 protected)
Farrell
Kidney
Dvorak

For:

PLD with 8 year extention at 7,850 000

If this is the case then we have a deal.

If I am Chevy I am waiting to see if NYR or LA Kings cough up something better. But, yes, that is the makings of a deal.

 

[Buffdog]

PLD is better yes. I don't think you'll find anyone argue against that. What you are not understanding is Montreal only has Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky up front in terms of core. It makes no sense to trade from that. Its like the Jets trading Dubois for another RFA that won't re-sign. Habs' need to add to their core. If Jets can find another young lottery pick that has upside to be a top 6 C, they should just go to that team.

PLD is an upgrade on Dach. They can make the swap and be in the same position, except that they got better

Too much take one of Farrel or kidney off
Or else the 1st

Pass

 

[Fatass]

PLD is an upgrade on Dach. They can make the swap and be in the same position, except that they got better

Yes, PLD is clearly an upgrade on Dach. But how much will the Habs have to him? Is PLD at 8.5 or 9 x 8 better than Dach?

 

[HABitual Fan]

I'm guessing you've never seen him play. Those of us who have watched him now this already but both the eye-test and the stats show that he consistently makes the players arround him better.

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No offense, but I don't put much faith in all these charts and models. If I believed these, like the ones by J Fresh and Dom in the Athletic, I would be believing things like Suzuki being one of the 10 worst contracts in the NHL. All these models can be manipulated any way you want to.

Like they say, 3 lies in life, good lies, bad lies and statistics.

Besides the fact that the chart is poorly presented and looks like crap and impossible to follow or know where the numbers come from or what is being evaluated.

 

[John Mandalorian]

No offense, but I don't put much faith in all these charts and models. If I believed these, like the ones by J Fresh and Dom in the Athletic, I would be believing things like Suzuki being one of the 10 worst contracts in the NHL. All these models can be manipulated any way you want to.

Like they say, 3 lies in life, good lies, bad lies and statistics.

Besides the fact that the chart is poorly presented and looks like crap and impossible to follow or know where the numbers come from or what is being evaluated.

No offense but that quote/saying is ripping off Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens.