LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Kennerback]

Dach is 22, took a huge step forward last season, lots of upside left. At 25 he’ll be a star Center. He ‘s locked in a ridiculous sweetheart deal. He’s a kid from out West. Total no brainer. I just don’t think he’ll be offered. I don’t think Winnipeg has that leverage.

 

[gojetsgo]

nvm not even worth discussing fake offer sheet scenarios

 

[Weltschmerz]

Dubois should hold up till July 1. Like refuse the trades coming to him till then. And then have the Habs offer sheet him for a year at 9 million. Whether the Jets match or not, it doesn't matter, the Jets won't be able to trade him. So all Dubois has to do is wait one year to sign with Montreal. And if the Jets don't match, there could be a backdoor arrangement that if he re-sign with the Habs, they would give him 8 million/per for 8 years.

And then Jets have 2 unprotected 1st round picks and PLD can go to UFA after that year, great plan

 

[Mersss]

where did I ever say that pld was getting traded after signing an offer sheet, he will get traded by the jets before one is even possible...

So not only is Chevy trading him only to a handful of team (5-6) let's say 50% of them can't afford him or don't want to trade the assets required. He's also on a very tight 2weeks constraint before July 1st

Yet... jets fans think he's getting a 1st + a top prospect ++

When you are in a weak position, you don't get out of their with a fair deal, you loae the deal.

 

[gojetsgo]

So not only is Chevy trading him only to a handful of team (5-6) let's say 50% of them can't afford him or don't want to trade the assets required. He's also on a very tight 2weeks constraint before July 1st

Yet... jets fans think he's getting a 1st + a top prospect ++

When you are in a weak position, you don't get out of their with a fair deal, you loae the deal.

I love how you don't even know which teams yet come out and say only half of them can afford him or want him lol and btw an offer sheet is not even going to happen for various reasons

 

[Canadienna]

I don’t know why you’re so hyper focused on Dach. You aren’t getting him in a trade for an expiring contract so why bother yourself with his production?

I don't actually think value wise it's an unreasonable ask. Especially in a sign and trade scenario.

Problem is Dach fits well with the young core, is signed pretty cheaply and showed some really solid improvement last year under St Louis. I think moving him for Dubois would be a mistake.

I just hope Kent Hughes feels the same.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I don't actually think value wise it's an unreasonable ask. Especially in a sign and trade scenario.

Problem is Dach fits well with the young core, is signed pretty cheaply and showed some really solid improvement last year under St Louis. I think moving him for Dubois would be a mistake.

I just hope Kent Hughes feels the same.

We’re two years into a rebuild. We can’t afford to be trading away any of the good pieces we aquired in that time frame to make lateral trades. We’re looking to add to guys like Dach. If we were a competitive team looking to compete now, then we would be in a position to pay more for that type of trade just to get it over the finish line if they really viewed having a player 3x more expensive would push us over the top but we aren’t. And the chances of Hughes viewing that differently are likely next to none. Montreal has full leverage. If Chevaldayoff was smart, he would have sold these players before he was about to lose control of all of them. Why should we pay for his mistake?

 

[Guffman]

I didnt say anything about Dach. Dubois is a 60 point player because that is what he consistently produces every year. Anything over 6.5 is an overpay but I guess a team could justify giving him 7 if he was a great character-team guy. He is not

I guarantee you Dubois is getting more than $7M AAV.

Thanks for your opinion on this. I will collect a check from you soon once Dubois signs his new contract in a couple of weeks.

 

[Kennerback]

Dubois’ a lame duck. They’ll get best value this summer. Cut your losses. Get the best deal and run.

 

[Guffman]

I don’t know why you’re so hyper focused on Dach. You aren’t getting him in a trade for an expiring contract so why bother yourself with his production?

Given that The Athletic recently stated that Dubois and the Jets will work on a 8-year contract sign-and-trade, you calling it an “expiring contract” is disingenuous to what a receiving team will actually get.

 

[McVespa99]

I guarantee you Dubois is getting more than $7M AAV.

Thanks for your opinion on this. I will collect a check from you soon once Dubois signs his new contract in a couple of weeks.

Are you ok man? Collect a cheque?
I didnt say he would get less than that. Some idiot GM will probably give him more. But for an unreliable 60 point player anything over 6.5 is an overpay in my opinion.
Anyway Im not replying to you again. You seem to be having a tough day.

 

[Guffman]

Dach is 22, took a huge step forward last season, lots of upside left. At 25 he’ll be a star Center. He ‘s locked in a ridiculous sweetheart deal. He’s a kid from out West. Total no brainer. I just don’t think he’ll be offered. I don’t think Winnipeg has that leverage.

At 25, when you’re ready to compete and if Dach turns out really well, you’re paying huge bucks for his next contract.

Three year “sweetheart” deals are like whatever when you’re not even competing.

Are you ok man? Collect a cheque?
I didnt say he would get less than that. Some idiot GM will probably give him more. But for an unreliable 60 point player anything over 6.5 is an overpay in my opinion.
Anyway Im not replying to you again. You seem to be having a tough day.

It’s cool that you think you’re smarter than an “idiot GM”.

Have a nice day.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Given that The Athletic recently stated that Dubois and the Jets will work on a 8-year contract sign-and-trade, you calling it an “expiring contract” is disingenuous to what a receiving team will actually get.

The Jets are nothing but a broker in the contract negotiations. If you had him locked up to a deal he had already signed with you, it would be different. As of now you have a player you cannot sign and won’t even commit one year to Winnipeg. On top of that, there’s a time restraint. Where’s your leverage?

 

[tbcwpg]

The Jets are nothing but a broker in the contract negotiations. If you had him locked up to a deal he had already signed with you, it would be different. As of now you have a player you cannot sign and won’t even commit one year to Winnipeg. On top of that, there’s a time restraint. Where’s your leverage?

The leverage is the Jets control his rights for one more year.

 

[nhlfan9191]

The leverage is the Jets control his rights for one more year.

And Montreal or whoever else is interested will pay you whatever that one year of control is worth. You aren’t going to get a teams best prospects or young players for being a mediator in a contract negotiation you have no control over.

 

[tbcwpg]

And Montreal or whoever else is interested will pay you whatever that one year of control is worth. You aren’t going to get a teams best prospects or young players for being a mediator in a contract negotiation you have no control over.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'm not expecting a team's top prospects but I'm not expecting junk either.

 

[HABitual Fan]

At 25, when you’re ready to compete and if Dach turns out really well, you’re paying huge bucks for his next contract.

Three year “sweetheart” deals are like whatever when you’re not even competing.



It’s cool that you think you’re smarter than an “idiot GM”.

Have a nice day.

Can you explain why paying assets and probably overpaying Dubois is preferable to overpaying Dach in 3 years and giving up no assets? Dubois is not the difference between competing or not competing in the next 3 years as you stated especially if you are subtracting parts you can't replace yet. So what rationale is there for the trade unless what you are moving doesn't hurt? If it does you don't make the trade simply enough. Montreal is not going to overpay , not to make Dubois happy and not in the interest of fair play in helping Winnipeg out of the mess tha they are in.

 

[Mersss]

At 25, when you’re ready to compete and if Dach turns out really well, you’re paying huge bucks for his next contract.

Three year “sweetheart” deals are like whatever when you’re not even competing.



It’s cool that you think you’re smarter than an “idiot GM”.

Have a nice day.

You do realise that Edmundson (4.25), Dvorak (4.75) Allen (3.8) and other veterans won't be there anymore right? Mi
Ore then enough cap space so gibe him a 4M raise ish

 

[Guffman]

Can you explain why paying assets and probably overpaying Dubois is preferable to overpaying Dach in 3 years and giving up no assets? Dubois is not the difference between competing or not competing in the next 3 years as you stated especially if you are subtracting parts you can't replace yet. So what rationale is there for the trade unless what you are moving doesn't hurt? If it does you don't make the trade simply enough. Montreal is not going to overpay , not to make Dubois happy and not in the interest of fair play in helping Winnipeg out of the mess tha they are in.

Dach’s progression is not guaranteed. You know what you get with Dubois.

Not sure Dach will even be a centre. Dubois has the marketing bonus of being francophone.

That all said, if I am a Habs fan, I’d share your position and hope the market doesn’t pan out for Winnipeg, and maybe get Dubois for a discount.

From a Jets fan point of view, I hope Hughes makes a mistake.

 

[TS Quint]

Nah just Habs fans talking about Dach like he’s never going to wear the Jets logo. He’s not moving and will be a Habs for a very long time.

For no reason what so ever. No one asks for him. Habs fans just start talking crazy shit for no reason. Maybe once he does well and isn't the 3rd best player on his line you can start talking like he is something.

 

[ole ole]

Projecting trade offers for Pierre-Luc Dubois from most likely destinations

The process of trade exploration has begun as Dubois is expected to be dealt by the Jets sooner than later.

theathletic.com

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/screenshot_20230609_150831_reddit-jpg.716559/

If this happened, I would be over the moon happy with this return for PLD for Braden Schneider & Chytil I would love that. Even would be happy taking a roster player to balance out the cap a bit more.

I beat you would be happy. Do you really think there is any chance that the Rangers would offer Braden Schneider & Chytil for Dubois?

To

C Pierre-Luc Dubois


To

C Christian Dvorak
RW Filip Mesar
Florida's 2023 1st Rounder


...that's as high as I would go if I were Hughes and if he doesn't agree to an 8-year deal under $8.25 mill per, I wouldn't offer anything...

Ya i would 2nd this.

 

[TS Quint]

Dach for Dubois is a fair trade for a player that has no preference on where he ends up.

Teams that finished 28th overall are in no hurry to trade youth for impact players. If LA has a similar player to Dach (Vilardi perhaps) that might be a better fit.

Glad you are dug in deep for a long and slow re builld.

 

[ole ole]

Now he's asking for 9M as an RFA, which will price him out of just about everywhere that's not Montreal...where he'll most likely accept a hometown discount of 7.5M x 7 or 7Mx8 sign & trade.

Where did you hear this?

 

[TS Quint]

The reality is, now you know nothing different than you knew before.

Do you see any competitive offers in this thread from any fanbase?

What's the "best" offer so far? The offers are getting worse because he's become a less attractive asset with that reported contract number, even if it is an opening number.

Just because Habs fans have dominated these threads with thousands of posts doesn't make anything they say true or good. It's obnoxious and it chases other reasonable people from other fan bases away.

 

[ole ole]

...the number 5 pick in this year's draft, more than likely...

More than likely will be picked by the Habs.