LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

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the meltdown from habs fans after months (years?) of them posting lowball offers and saying "why should we offer anything meaningful when we could sign him for free in 2024" culminates in him doing a sign-and-trade to a team that presents a real offer is going to be incredible.

Bruh, go look at the Habs board. We are overwhelmingly okay with not getting PLD if the cost is too high.
 
I personally have no interest in Dach, not sure if he's really any solution for the Habs at 2C.........IMO more likely at wing or 3C. IMO Habs want to find their 1C at this years draft, Suzuki is really a 2C and likely Habs know that. PLD is a 2C and not a 1C solution either, not saying he couldn't play wing or run two 2C with Suzuki & PLD but I doubt it. I think Habs go via draft to get their 1C and would like to get PLD for free as a UFA and play him on the wing.

As we agree I doubt a trade happens between the Jets and Habs, not saying it couldn't happen but doubtful. Habs don't want to trade the only good roster kids they have and don't have any good vets to trade and Chevy doesn't want a bunch of futures he wants win now pieces.
I know it’s hard to see from the outside looking in (I suspect you did not watch a tons of Habs games?) but Dach really started to put it together at the end of the season. He wasn’t racking up too many points but he was dominent on the ice and very noticeable. Much more than what he showed at the start of the season when he was with Caufield and Suzuki.

I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him break out and have a 65+ points season next year at 22.

It’s hard not to be excited about the guy after watching him the last 20 games of the season.
I hear the Jets don't want a rebuild but wouldn't that be best? Lets say they like the Vilardi+ package from the Kings and Vilardi turns into a 40-50 pts center. Wouldn't it be better to take a shot at someone not turned pro yet? Habs trading Beck could back fire on us like it did with Suzuki/Knights. Not probably but possible.

If the Jets are after more NHL ready guys. That list is Barron, RHP, Harris, Farrell, Heineman. I'm hesitant on trading Barron due to our RD depth in the pool but open to it.

Can't wait for the trade to happen so we can re visit all that was said over the last year.
That’s not my call or yours to make buddy. Also, Beck doesn’t have the ceiling Suzuki had. He’s probably already NHL ready and could play next year but he looks to be more like a Danault than a Suzuki which is still an incredibly useful player to have (and needed) to win a cup.
 
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My crazy, unfounded speculation....

Habs want a long term top 6 to play with Suzuki

They are trying to either trade up or hope one falls to them at 5

LA has an offer on the table. Habs also have one in the table - in case they can't get their C at 5. Habs offer > LA offer, so we're all waiting to see what happens with pick 5

If MTL gets their centre there, PLD is off to LA

If not, PLD is MTL bound at a price that some Habs fans won't like
 
If Jets had a choice in the matter, they’d keep Dubois long-term rather than try to flip for Dach.

”Potential” is nice to dream about but often it goes unrealized and settles below the ceiling.
Yes very possible he doesnt reach Dubois but its also possible he does Dach is 22 years old today in 2 years he can become better then a 60 point center he got drafted 3rd overall because he had that potentiel but now its on him to show it and he did a little bit at the end of our season but he needs to keep working and improving

You're crazy
im crazy because i think a 22 year old player can improve ? i like Dubois hes good but hes a 60 points top 6 forward lets not act like hes a superstar
 
Bruh, go look at the Habs board. We are overwhelmingly okay with not getting PLD if the cost is too high.
cope imo. they're going to convince themselves no matter what that the cost – if he goes elsewhere – was too high. there's still a limited amount of suitors out there for him. the price will be diminished compared to his open market trade value.

this is a fan base that pined over the player for three years and (insufferably) told winnipeg fans they should accept any garbage offer they put out there for him because him ending up in mtl was inevitable. any subsequent spin from them is automatically hilarious in my book.
 
I know it’s hard to see from the outside looking in (I suspect you did not watch a tons of Habs games?) but Dach really started to put it together at the end of the season. He wasn’t racking up too many points but he was dominent on the ice and very noticeable. Much more than what he showed at the start of the season when he was with Caufield and Suzuki.

I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him break out and have a 65+ points season next year at 22.

It’s hard not to be excited about the guy after watching him the last 20 games of the season.

Watch a ton of Habs games........funny comment, if you live in Canada your forced to watch a ton of Habs & Leafs games whether you want to or not. :)

That being said I likely didn't watch as many as you. :)

Time will tell on Dach like all young players
 
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Yes very possible he doesnt reach Dubois but its also possible he does Dach is 22 years old today in 2 years he can become better then a 60 point center he got drafted 3rd overall because he had that potentiel but now its on him to show it and he did a little bit at the end of our season but he needs to keep working and improving


im crazy because i think a 22 year old player can improve sure buddy nobody in the NHL got better after that age....
Dach could very well improve, but aside from your gut feeling, there is ZERO evidence to suggest he'll be better than PLD

PLD has outscored him at every level. AND, they're the same size so the "big guys develop slower" applied to them equally
 
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That’s not my call or yours to make buddy. Also, Beck doesn’t have the ceiling Suzuki had. He’s probably already NHL ready and could play next year but he looks to be more like a Danault than a Suzuki which is still an incredibly useful player to have (and needed) to win a cup.

It's not our call to make but here we are talking about it. Hard to compare him to Suzuki who developed very well and looks very good today. Suzuki didn't make team Canada at age 18 but he did at age 19. Beck is almost a shoe in for Team Canada at the next WJC.

Different style of players but I would have their values at B+ trending well after their age 18 seasons. Not saying Beck turns into Suzuki value but maybe Danault value is a better example. Beck is hard to project the ceiling on IMO. This is why so many Habs fans say no to trading him. He really looked solid in camp and in pre season games. He's very solid in weight at his age too. You don't see that too often.
 
Dach could very well improve, but aside from your gut feeling, there is ZERO evidence to suggest he'll be better than PLD

PLD has outscored him at every level. AND, they're the same size so the "big guys develop slower" applied to them equally
Dach is 6"4 Dubois is 6"2 so no not the same size

and yes Dubois peaked earlier and is the better player today but that does not mean that Dach wont improve and become the better player in the future

Theres a reason u see every single Habs fan say no to Dach for Dubois i know most overrate our players but we see the potentiel same reason our GM gaved fan favorite Romanov for him

Dubois is better today 100% but Dach can a better player then a 60 point forward atleast we hope so
 
Dach is 6"4 Dubois is 6"2 so no not the same size

and yes Dubois peaked earlier and is the better player today but that does not mean that Dach wont improve and become the better player in the future

Theres a reason u see every single Habs fan say no to Dach for Dubois i know most overrate our players but we see the potentiel same reason our GM gaved fan favorite Romanov for him

Dubois is better today 100% but Dach can a better player then a 60 point forward atleast we hope so
It's OK to hope, but do so realizing that's all it is

The prospect of it actually happening is very low based on all actual evidence
 
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cope imo. they're going to convince themselves no matter what that the cost – if he goes elsewhere – was too high. there's still a limited amount of suitors out there for him. the price will be diminished compared to his open market trade value.

this is a fan base that pined over the player for three years and (insufferably) told winnipeg fans they should accept any garbage offer they put out there for him because him ending up in mtl was inevitable. any subsequent spin from them is automatically hilarious in my book.

Oh yes, the poll that's said that we shouldn't trade for him if it costs too much since March is Cope.

BTW this has been pretty much consensus on the board even before that. That's why so many have been saying if it costs to much we'll get him UFA, if he goes elsewhere so be it.

Go read or thread about PLD and then say it's Cope.
 
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My crazy, unfounded speculation....

Habs want a long term top 6 to play with Suzuki

They are trying to either trade up or hope one falls to them at 5

LA has an offer on the table. Habs also have one in the table - in case they can't get their C at 5. Habs offer > LA offer, so we're all waiting to see what happens with pick 5

If MTL gets their centre there, PLD is off to LA

If not, PLD is MTL bound at a price that some Habs fans won't like

Not so crazy. This certainly could be a draft day deal that depends on whether or not Montreal gets their man at 5OA.
 
If the Jets want NHL players as the main pieces and Anderson does not have the Jets on his NTC list. Maybe we offer Anderson, Dvorak (with retention) and Kidney.

Anderson and Dvorak totaling $8.5M max. That would bring Dvorak's cap hit for two more years down to $3M. Kidney added as a future center prospect. B or B+ type putting up top end Q numbers since he was 18.

Personally, I don't like the idea of the Habs trading Anderson. I'm a big fan of his game and yeah, I know he is not consistent but man, when he is on, he is on. And he does show up in big games.

If I was to guess the unpredictable trade:
* Anderson
* Dvorak (retention down to $3M)
* Kidney
* Habs early 4th rounder (pick 101 I believe).
 
It's OK to hope, but do so realizing that's all it is

The prospect of it actually happening is very low based on all actual evidence
Beck becoming better then Dubois is what i would call very low but Dach passing Dubois is not low i wont say its high but its possible did you watch Dach in the bubble before hes big injury? the kid showed promise right away but then got a big injury which slowed him down but it doesnt mean that he cant become better then a 60 point player he has that potentiel he just needs to reach it
 
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Watch a ton of Habs games........funny comment, if you live in Canada your forced to watch a ton of Habs & Leafs games whether you want to or not. :)

That being said I likely didn't watch as many as you. :)

Time will tell on Dach like all young players
I honestly was not aware of that. Here on the east coast we can’t watch teams on the West due to blockage (unless illegally streamed on the internet).

But yeah, you are right about Dach. Time will tell. Both the fans and management are super excited about him though and we look forward to seeing him play like he did at the end of this season.
It's not our call to make but here we are talking about it. Hard to compare him to Suzuki who developed very well and looks very good today. Suzuki didn't make team Canada at age 18 but he did at age 19. Beck is almost a shoe in for Team Canada at the next WJC.

Different style of players but I would have their values at B+ trending well after their age 18 seasons. Not saying Beck turns into Suzuki value but maybe Danault value is a better example. Beck is hard to project the ceiling on IMO. This is why so many Habs fans say no to trading him. He really looked solid in camp and in pre season games. He's very solid in weight at his age too. You don't see that too often.
Suzuki had multiple 100+ points season in Junior and was known for his vision and passing ability. He’s a completely different player than Beck. Beck doesn’t have the offensive talent Suzuki has (unfortunately). This shouldn’t even be a debate
 
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Beck becoming better then Dubois is what i would call very low but Dach passing Dubois is not low i wont say its high but its possible did you watch Dach in the bubble before hes big injury? the kid showed promise right away but then got a big injury which slowed him down but it doesnt mean that he cant become better then a 60 point player he has that potentiel he just needs to reach it

Dach (Age 18-21):

* 0.46 pts/game (210 NHL games)

Dubois (Age 18-21):
* 0.67 pts/game (239 NHL games)

I do agree that Dach can catch Dubois in value in the next few seasons. He did have the injury that derailed things a bit.

Fast forward 3 years time and it's very possible these two have similar value or are close. I do think Dubois is stable but with Dach, it's fluid. What we did see last season was very promising.
 
Dach (Age 18-21):
* 0.46 pts/game (210 NHL games)

Dubois (Age 18-21):
* 0.67 pts/game (239 NHL games)

I do agree that Dach can catch Dubois in value in the next few seasons. He did have the injury that derailed things a bit.

Fast forward 3 years time and it's very possible these two have similar value or are close. I do think Dubois is stable but with Dach, it's fluid. What we did see last season was very promising.
Saying Dach CAN catch Dubois and predicting he WILL are two very different things. Someone is changing their story here
 
If I was to guess the unpredictable trade:
* Anderson
* Dvorak (retention down to $3M)
* Kidney
* Habs early 4th rounder (pick 101 I believe).

Huh, GM Habs Halifax was adamant that Anderson was too valuable to trade and was essentially untouchable. Looks like your position is finally starting to cave in.

Any last minute "face saving" adjustments will not save posters for excessive low balling that was made over the duration of the past year. The bills are coming due very soon and Guffman will be there to collect the cheques. :yashin:
 
Oh yes, the poll that's said that we shouldn't trade for him if it costs too much since March is Cope.
  1. literally any poll for any team and any player saying "would you trade for this guy if he costs too much" is going to be a resounding 'no'
  2. if you mean this poll, 86% of the habs fans responding say they want him, with 50% saying to wait and get him as a UFA
BTW this has been pretty much consensus on the board even before that. That's why so many have been saying if it costs to much we'll get him UFA, if he goes elsewhere so be it.
you're not defining what 'too much' is. literally the post below yours says josh anderson (solid complimentary wing with an albatross contract) + christian dvorak (overpaid third liner) + kidney (b-tier prospect) and a fourth round pick is a fair price. on the habs boards i've seen dvorak + harris + the 31st pick. those are still hilarious underpays for 8 prime years of a legit top line two-way center.

Go read or thread about PLD and then say it's Cope.
habs fans have been saying for years they shouldn't give up anything of value when they can just get him for free as a UFA, now it looks like he's not going to walk to UFA status, but habs fans are still saying anything above their original (garbage) proposals is an overpay.

that's textbook cope!
 
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  1. literally any poll for any team and any player saying "would you trade for this guy if he costs too much" is going to be a resounding 'no'
  2. if you mean this poll, 86% of the habs fans responding say they want him, with 50% saying to wait and get him as a UFA

you're not defining what 'too much' is. literally the post below yours says josh anderson (solid complimentary wing with an albatross contract) + christian dvorak (overpaid third liner) + kidney (b-tier prospect) and a fourth round pick is a fair price. on the habs boards i've seen dvorak + harris + the 31st pick. those are still hilarious underpays for 8 prime years of a legit top line two-way center.


habs fans have been saying for years they shouldn't give up anything of value when they can just get him for free as a UFA, now it looks like he's not going to walk to UFA status, but habs fans are still saying anything above their original (garbage) proposals is an overpay.

that's textbook cope!
There’s no guarentee a team will cave if Chevaldayoff is expecting Dach or that kind of value from other teams which means UFA next year is still a reality until something is official. Montreal and all the other teams interested hold the cards. If they all think Chevaldayoff is way to high on his ask, they’ll wait him out until he’s forced to lower his ask after arbitration when he becomes a rental. It doesn’t exactly sound like there’s a big bidding war going on right now. Somebody would’ve reported a lot more if there was.
 
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