Proposal: Dubois to Habs

[go4hockey]

No rush Habs wait till he's UFA and keep all good assets and picks

You do realize he is NOT a UFA at the end of his current contract right? Just saying you may be waiting a long time.

 

[26Mats]

Why do you waste time posting. He said he wants to be a Hab. If that is the case he will accept a fair deal. And they will likely be a playoff team in 2 years.

Huberdeau also said he wants to be a Hab...

I think the Dubois talk is more legit. But I will believe when he's signed. I wouldn't give up the moon for him, but I don't consider it a done deal that he'll wait to become a UFA before signing a lucrative long term contract nor that he'll choose us if he does get to UFA.

 

[Chose]

Again, assuming Jet braintrust crunches #s and it appears
long term value of assets provide immediate/short term help > PLD now then walking w'in 2 yrs

IF that is the case, a deal would ideally
- have long term upside [future pieces, prospects/picks]
- include a useful asset now which can be flipped as a rental if desired down the road.

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The vet piece to be added here is not Monahan, but IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, Anderson.
It is currently NOT possible b'c Andy salary is too much $$$$$ and too long term, even if MON ate half.

Howev if you had a third team taking Andy first, and then maybe doing a final retain on top of that, along with futures assets, that would be enuf to get PLD, who could then be flipped to MON. Think Rangers
who could do

deal for Anderson first so he can be flipped to WPG
Habs have 0 cap so return on this must be min 5.5 going the other way

1. Anderson 5.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 2.75 per
for
Reaves 1.75 expiring
Carpenter .75 expiring
Vesey .75 expiring
Khodorenko .925 expiring -> rfa retain .295 = .63
Gettinger .75 expiring ->rfa
Henriksson .870 x 2 ->rfa

cap hit is exactly = 5.5 each;
contracts:
pre deal, MON has 45/50; they add 6, subtract 1 = net 5 which short term = fit


2. NYR - WPG
Jones .925 expiring ->rfa
Anderson 5.5 x 5 reduced by half = 2.75 per
Rangers eat .75 per so total = 2 per season!
NYR 2024 + 2025 1sts
total cap hit = 2.925

to WPG for
PLD 6M expiring
Jets 2024 and 2025 2nd round picks
total cap hit = 6

net cap dif = hit on Jets = (subtract 6, add 2.925 =) + 3.075 savings

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That would cover that part of it.

The follow thru is extensive, and it requires MON understand, it can on this occasion by happenstance have its cake and eat it too --- but not if it is greedy.

Habs want to max accelerate getting back to contending, but don't want to walk away from possible 1OA.
THEY CAN DO THAT if if if they straighten out the Fs, get them ready this yr to roll next yr, but suck ass on both D and G, which will require retool starting next season. That will be easier (fewer bodies) than Fs. Still do great at draft this yr

NY needs to move bread's 11+m but not give away free, get good future value
arguably bread agrees to waive nmc to huge stage in MON but that is IF IF IF he sees enuf dots connected to Habs quick turn around

NY can do all that for a profit and mutual back scratch

Panarin has played w/PLD + is good at RW w/LaF at LW, LaF likely to give some level of discount to Habs

A. Do the above deals
B. side deal 1:1 LaF for Slaf
C. PLD + Panarin for profit, profit, profit

assuming they all waive:
PLD 6.0 expiring ->rfa @ half retained = 3.0
Panarin 11,642,875 x 4
Lindbom elc .855 x 2
total cap hit = 15,497,875

to Rangers for
cap dump Gallager 6.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 3.25 per
cap dump Hoffman 4.5 x 2
cap dump Drouin 5.5 expiring
cap dump Allen 2.875 current hit, then 3.85 x 2
Justin Barron .925 elc x 2
Guhle 863,333 x 3 elc
FL 2023 1st + Mon 2023 2nd
Mon. 2025 and 2027 1sts
16.913,333

cap dif = [16.913,333 - 15,497,875 =] 1,415,458 cap savings to MON/hit to NYR
contracts: NY adds 3, MON deducts 6, which NY can do

why MON.
Deal removes F deadwood from Habs roster, replacing w/PLD + bread = 1st line adds
now have solid Fs throughout, Suzuki, Dach pushed down in lines, others get a chance to replace short term [Druin, Hoffman] + long term [Gallagher] w/youth

cost is in goal and at D, Habs will improve and score more but suck ass at backline and in net. After effectively tanking, it will be easier to add fewer quality bodies at D and find at least one good G

NY — not done, but short term, are addressing structural cap by moving Panarin and getting value for him
Add 1sts and prospects
Rangers will sell off excess vets
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Have to work out final, but essentially NY flips Allen + possibly retaining, pays Ducks for taking Gallagher
acquire Vatrano
Allen makes Gibson available more readily

etc etc etc

Damn ! Can you do proposals that don't necessitate half the team to be traded ? This would never happen...

 

[jellybeans]

You do realize he is NOT a UFA at the end of his current contract right? Just saying you may be waiting a long time.

1 more year after this one then he's UFA so why give so much asset when you can have him 1 year later for free i really don't think we're contenders with him next year we 3 or 4 years before we can make a solid move to be one.Getting Dubois in a trade will cost a fortune.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

1 more year after this one then he's UFA so why give so much asset when you can have him 1 year later for free i really don't think we're contenders with him next year we 3 or 4 years before we can make a solid move to be one.Getting Dubois in a trade will cost a fortune.

Because we don’t want to trade him? Just because it’s a bad fit for you right now, doesn’t mean we have to accept your terrible offers.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Because we don’t want to trade him? Just because it’s a bad fit for you right now, doesn’t mean we have to accept your terrible offers.

Get used to it. Many Habs fans think all players who played in the Q are dying to play for them and should therefor be given up at a discount.

 

[go4hockey]

1 more year after this one then he's UFA so why give so much asset when you can have him 1 year later for free i really don't think we're contenders with him next year we 3 or 4 years before we can make a solid move to be one.Getting Dubois in a trade will cost a fortune.

But the facts are he is a RFA after this contract so nobody knows when or if he will be a UFA. Per capfriendly.

 

[KingBogo]

1 more year after this one then he's UFA so why give so much asset when you can have him 1 year later for free i really don't think we're contenders with him next year we 3 or 4 years before we can make a solid move to be one.Getting Dubois in a trade will cost a fortune.

Maybe he gets traded to a contender down south, and it turns out he prefers winning cups and living at the beach over having to deal with Habs fans and media

 

[GoJetsGo55]

"We will just wait and get him for free."

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard that and it came true.

 

[beowulf]

Don't see Winnipeg wanting to trade him given their current place in the standings.

 

[Hunter368]

Maybe he gets traded to a contender down south, and it turns out he prefers winning cups and living at the beach over having to deal with Habs fans and media

How many Wings fans automatically assumed Trouba was coming to them bc Trouba of course wanted to play for his home team? I'm not selling or buying trading PLD, but I do laugh at some fans assuming that a player will automatically sign with them just bc he has some connection to the team on a personal level. Countless times we've seen UFA's go to surprise or unlikely teams in the end.

 

[Hunter368]

Don't see Winnipeg wanting to trade him given their current place in the standings.

Barring an amazing offer no the Jets won't trade him during the season when their doing so well, PLD will be extended by the Jets long term this summer or traded to the highest bidder IMO.

 

[beowulf]

"We will just wait and get him for free."

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard that and it came true.

Tavares

 

[TS Quint]

Again, assuming Jet braintrust crunches #s and it appears
long term value of assets provide immediate/short term help > PLD now then walking w'in 2 yrs

IF that is the case, a deal would ideally
- have long term upside [future pieces, prospects/picks]
- include a useful asset now which can be flipped as a rental if desired down the road.

--------------------------
The vet piece to be added here is not Monahan, but IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, Anderson.
It is currently NOT possible b'c Andy salary is too much $$$$$ and too long term, even if MON ate half.

Howev if you had a third team taking Andy first, and then maybe doing a final retain on top of that, along with futures assets, that would be enuf to get PLD, who could then be flipped to MON. Think Rangers
who could do

deal for Anderson first so he can be flipped to WPG
Habs have 0 cap so return on this must be min 5.5 going the other way

1. Anderson 5.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 2.75 per
for
Reaves 1.75 expiring
Carpenter .75 expiring
Vesey .75 expiring
Khodorenko .925 expiring -> rfa retain .295 = .63
Gettinger .75 expiring ->rfa
Henriksson .870 x 2 ->rfa

cap hit is exactly = 5.5 each;
contracts:
pre deal, MON has 45/50; they add 6, subtract 1 = net 5 which short term = fit


2. NYR - WPG
Jones .925 expiring ->rfa
Anderson 5.5 x 5 reduced by half = 2.75 per
Rangers eat .75 per so total = 2 per season!
NYR 2024 + 2025 1sts
total cap hit = 2.925

to WPG for
PLD 6M expiring
Jets 2024 and 2025 2nd round picks
total cap hit = 6

net cap dif = hit on Jets = (subtract 6, add 2.925 =) + 3.075 savings

----------
That would cover that part of it.

The follow thru is extensive, and it requires MON understand, it can on this occasion by happenstance have its cake and eat it too --- but not if it is greedy.

Habs want to max accelerate getting back to contending, but don't want to walk away from possible 1OA.
THEY CAN DO THAT if if if they straighten out the Fs, get them ready this yr to roll next yr, but suck ass on both D and G, which will require retool starting next season. That will be easier (fewer bodies) than Fs. Still do great at draft this yr

NY needs to move bread's 11+m but not give away free, get good future value
arguably bread agrees to waive nmc to huge stage in MON but that is IF IF IF he sees enuf dots connected to Habs quick turn around

NY can do all that for a profit and mutual back scratch

Panarin has played w/PLD + is good at RW w/LaF at LW, LaF likely to give some level of discount to Habs

A. Do the above deals
B. side deal 1:1 LaF for Slaf
C. PLD + Panarin for profit, profit, profit

assuming they all waive:
PLD 6.0 expiring ->rfa @ half retained = 3.0
Panarin 11,642,875 x 4
Lindbom elc .855 x 2
total cap hit = 15,497,875

to Rangers for
cap dump Gallager 6.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 3.25 per
cap dump Hoffman 4.5 x 2
cap dump Drouin 5.5 expiring
cap dump Allen 2.875 current hit, then 3.85 x 2
Justin Barron .925 elc x 2
Guhle 863,333 x 3 elc
FL 2023 1st + Mon 2023 2nd
Mon. 2025 and 2027 1sts
16.913,333

cap dif = [16.913,333 - 15,497,875 =] 1,415,458 cap savings to MON/hit to NYR
contracts: NY adds 3, MON deducts 6, which NY can do

why MON.
Deal removes F deadwood from Habs roster, replacing w/PLD + bread = 1st line adds
now have solid Fs throughout, Suzuki, Dach pushed down in lines, others get a chance to replace short term [Druin, Hoffman] + long term [Gallagher] w/youth

cost is in goal and at D, Habs will improve and score more but suck ass at backline and in net. After effectively tanking, it will be easier to add fewer quality bodies at D and find at least one good G

NY — not done, but short term, are addressing structural cap by moving Panarin and getting value for him
Add 1sts and prospects
Rangers will sell off excess vets
==============

Have to work out final, but essentially NY flips Allen + possibly retaining, pays Ducks for taking Gallagher
acquire Vatrano
Allen makes Gibson available more readily

etc etc etc

Jets will pass on a young LD where they are already jammed up, moving up a few spots in the draft and (LMAO) Andersson.

There‘s nothing here for the Jets.

 

[jellybeans]

Maybe he gets traded to a contender down south, and it turns out he prefers winning cups and living at the beach over having to deal with Habs fans and media

Good then not needed stay the course of the rebuild.

But the facts are he is a RFA after this contract so nobody knows when or if he will be a UFA. Per capfriendly.

All he needs is 1 more year of contract after this year and he becomes UFA in 2024.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I am not convinced PLD can handle the smoke meat bagels montreal pressure.

One or two uneventful weeks and the media will ragdoll him into yesterday croutons.

If only you could put that media on the ice. You’d have the ultimate tough guy, only problem would be he’d be attacking his teammates as much as the other team.

 

[go4hockey]

Good then not needed stay the course of the rebuild.


All he needs is 1 more year of contract after this year and he becomes UFA in 2024.

Do you really think whatever team he is on will sign him to a 1 year contract taking him to UFA. I highly doubt that but hey you keep your fantasy alive.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Do you really think whatever team he is on will sign him to a 1 year contract taking him to UFA. I highly doubt that but hey you keep your fantasy alive.

Of course they will if they are a contender and that is the only contract he will sign.

 

[Blue Chip Prospect]

I think we are really not in a rush to get better.

I wouldn’t want to give anything to the jets for Dubois that wouldn’t feel like robbery for them. So in that case I’d take my chances and wait for UFA. I think it’s cristal clear he’s not staying in Winnipeg so that’s number 1. Next year they might want to trade him at the deadline but if they’re in a great position in the standing and everything is clicking like it is right now, they might not even trade him and take their chances.

I want him free and I’m pretty sure we’ll get him free or for peanuts.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

How many Wings fans automatically assumed Trouba was coming to them bc Trouba of course wanted to play for his home team? I'm not selling or buying trading PLD, but I do laugh at some fans assuming that a player will automatically sign with them just bc he has some connection to the team on a personal level. Countless times we've seen UFA's go to surprise or unlikely teams in the end.

Nobody is assuming anything. Dubois has made it obvious he wants to be a Canadien. We will find out if big bucks overshadow that desire (as it frequently does).

 

[Chose]

Do you really think whatever team he is on will sign him to a 1 year contract taking him to UFA. I highly doubt that but hey you keep your fantasy alive.

You do understand that teams have to submit a 1y qualifying offer that the player can accept, instead of negociating a contract with more term, right ? He actually did that this year, forcing his way out 1 year at a time.

It is not in the team's hands... It is the player's choice per the CBA. If he wants to be UFA in 1.5y, he will be.
And all signs point towards that. Bookmark this: He will again accept his qualifying offer this summer and be UFA at the end of it, 1 year later.

It is funny how people try to downplay PLD wanting to sign with the Habs. It is not only a fantasy because he played in the Q or is a french canadian, or because of "connections", his agent actually came out and said it in public...

Keep your fantasy alive !

 

[MardyBum]

No point in making a trade thread for PLD now, zero chance he gets traded until May/June.

 

[MardyBum]

I think we are really not in a rush to get better.

I wouldn’t want to give anything to the jets for Dubois that wouldn’t feel like robbery for them. So in that case I’d take my chances and wait for UFA. I think it’s cristal clear he’s not staying in Winnipeg so that’s number 1. Next year they might want to trade him at the deadline but if they’re in a great position in the standing and everything is clicking like it is right now, they might not even trade him and take their chances.

I want him free and I’m pretty sure we’ll get him free or for peanuts.

They're not going to let him walk to UFA. They didn't with Trouba, they're not going to with him.

 

[Chose]

No point in making a trade thread for PLD now, zero chance he gets traded until May/June.

Fair ! This one is a decision the team can make, and it is true that he would attract the same kind of offer at next trade dealine. We will gladly wait.

 

[Hunter368]

Nobody is assuming anything. Dubois has made it obvious he wants to be a Canadien. We will find out if big bucks overshadow that desire (as it frequently does).

Nobody? Have you read all the PLD threads on this board since last season (I have b/c I mod all these trade board threads) and how many Habs fans have said "we'll just sign him for free in two years"........a lot of them, that sure sounds like they are pretty confident of it happening. I never said all Habs fans have said that, but many have said that go search those threads and this one if you like to see for yourself. Of course, fans and keyboard GM's have no clue what will happen, none of us do. PLD won't be traded during this season, the Jets are one of the top teams in the NHL season to date.......but this won't go into next season IMO, he will be extended long term by the Jets this summer or traded to the highest bidder & no doubt Chevy will be happy to give teams access to his agent to discuss contracts beforehand bc it only helps the Jets if he does. Then we will all see how this unfolds and where he ends up if traded.