HuGort
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Too steep for me. Habs will have him in a year and half for nil. Why give up that much future on a team going for high draft pick? Makes no sense
Proposal: Dubois to Habs
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That may be but we can get more than that for him as a tdl as a rental before he decides whether or not to go to you. I mean lots of contenders and he is built for playoffs.
HuGort
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Jets can't trade Dubois, they having good year and he is big part of that
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Why would we give up our chances of making a playoff run to accept an insultingly low offer for a player who is working for us? If the price is too steep, we don't care. Get lost. We're tired of hearing "bUt wE'Ll gEt HiM fOR fReEeEEeeEEEE!!!!!". It's old, it's tired. Do it. We. Don't. Care.
Yes but we have him for a year and a half. One good season then if we go off the rails trade him if not a self rental then after that if he wants he can go to mtl and have some of those amazing bagels and Montreal smoked meat. So good.
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I am not convinced PLD can handle the smoke meat bagels montreal pressure.
One or two uneventful weeks and the media will ragdoll him into yesterday croutons.
I'd sooner trade PLD to Vancouver for a signed Horvat than that package.
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Wait and get him for free. That is, if Montreal even wants/needs him by then.
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And the Habs are free to do that and the Jets fans and organization will not care.
The Habs will either have to talk to the team the Jets organization trades him to or wait the 2 years.
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this is exactly the point. What if The Habs trade a bunch of assets and he walks as a UFA?
Better to wait and take their chances when he is a UFA and maybe get him for free.....
Jets will just hold on to Dubois until he hits UFA unless they get a solid trade offer.
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No.
Room to argue about value, but setting aside currency is a huge NO.
You continue to insist on peddling Monahan, which no one wants, b'c he is overall an overpaid liability.
Jets like all clubs assess/reasses current/short term upcoming situation.
PLD = end of this deal + rfa.
If I understand correctly that is ballpark min 2 years club control.
WPG can/should demand top $, but there is need to recognize that if you prefer to move him, you get more now, by moving him sooner than later. This moderates return a bit from very high to moderately high. Are Jets serious SC contenders this season/next? No. Can return from PLD help, if not immediate, then short term? Yes.
Also, while we need to recognize PLD likely to go MON after WPG, a competitive offer from a contender viewing PLD as a 2 yr rental, and willing to pay accordingly, is part of the picture.
concur as to bold
Winni holding too long -- a la what Rangers did w/Buchnevich -- seriously diminishes the return.
Also waiting invites risk PLD gets injured, diminishes/negates a possible return.
Return will vary w/how early a deal is struck, if at all
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Djp
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Again, assuming Jet braintrust crunches #s and it appears
long term value of assets provide immediate/short term help > PLD now then walking w'in 2 yrs
IF that is the case, a deal would ideally
- have long term upside [future pieces, prospects/picks]
- include a useful asset now which can be flipped as a rental if desired down the road.
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The vet piece to be added here is not Monahan, but IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, Anderson.
It is currently NOT possible b'c Andy salary is too much $$$$$ and too long term, even if MON ate half.
Howev if you had a third team taking Andy first, and then maybe doing a final retain on top of that, along with futures assets, that would be enuf to get PLD, who could then be flipped to MON. Think Rangers
who could do
deal for Anderson first so he can be flipped to WPG
Habs have 0 cap so return on this must be min 5.5 going the other way
1. Anderson 5.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 2.75 per
for
Reaves 1.75 expiring
Carpenter .75 expiring
Vesey .75 expiring
Khodorenko .925 expiring -> rfa retain .295 = .63
Gettinger .75 expiring ->rfa
Henriksson .870 x 2 ->rfa
cap hit is exactly = 5.5 each;
contracts:
pre deal, MON has 45/50; they add 6, subtract 1 = net 5 which short term = fit
2. NYR - WPG
Jones .925 expiring ->rfa
Anderson 5.5 x 5 reduced by half = 2.75 per
Rangers eat .75 per so total = 2 per season!
NYR 2024 + 2025 1sts
total cap hit = 2.925
to WPG for
PLD 6M expiring
Jets 2024 and 2025 2nd round picks
total cap hit = 6
net cap dif = hit on Jets = (subtract 6, add 2.925 =) + 3.075 savings
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That would cover that part of it.
The follow thru is extensive, and it requires MON understand, it can on this occasion by happenstance have its cake and eat it too --- but not if it is greedy.
Habs want to max accelerate getting back to contending, but don't want to walk away from possible 1OA.
THEY CAN DO THAT if if if they straighten out the Fs, get them ready this yr to roll next yr, but suck ass on both D and G, which will require retool starting next season. That will be easier (fewer bodies) than Fs. Still do great at draft this yr
NY needs to move bread's 11+m but not give away free, get good future value
arguably bread agrees to waive nmc to huge stage in MON but that is IF IF IF he sees enuf dots connected to Habs quick turn around
NY can do all that for a profit and mutual back scratch
Panarin has played w/PLD + is good at RW w/LaF at LW, LaF likely to give some level of discount to Habs
A. Do the above deals
B. side deal 1:1 LaF for Slaf
C. PLD + Panarin for profit, profit, profit
assuming they all waive:
PLD 6.0 expiring ->rfa @ half retained = 3.0
Panarin 11,642,875 x 4
Lindbom elc .855 x 2
total cap hit = 15,497,875
to Rangers for
cap dump Gallager 6.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 3.25 per
cap dump Hoffman 4.5 x 2
cap dump Drouin 5.5 expiring
cap dump Allen 2.875 current hit, then 3.85 x 2
Justin Barron .925 elc x 2
Guhle 863,333 x 3 elc
FL 2023 1st + Mon 2023 2nd
Mon. 2025 and 2027 1sts
16.913,333
cap dif = [16.913,333 - 15,497,875 =] 1,415,458 cap savings to MON/hit to NYR
contracts: NY adds 3, MON deducts 6, which NY can do
why MON.
Deal removes F deadwood from Habs roster, replacing w/PLD + bread = 1st line adds
now have solid Fs throughout, Suzuki, Dach pushed down in lines, others get a chance to replace short term [Druin, Hoffman] + long term [Gallagher] w/youth
cost is in goal and at D, Habs will improve and score more but suck ass at backline and in net. After effectively tanking, it will be easier to add fewer quality bodies at D and find at least one good G
NY — not done, but short term, are addressing structural cap by moving Panarin and getting value for him
Add 1sts and prospects
Rangers will sell off excess vets
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Have to work out final, but essentially NY flips Allen + possibly retaining, pays Ducks for taking Gallagher
acquire Vatrano
Allen makes Gibson available more readily
etc etc etc
long term value of assets provide immediate/short term help > PLD now then walking w'in 2 yrs
IF that is the case, a deal would ideally
- have long term upside [future pieces, prospects/picks]
- include a useful asset now which can be flipped as a rental if desired down the road.
--------------------------
The vet piece to be added here is not Monahan, but IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, Anderson.
It is currently NOT possible b'c Andy salary is too much $$$$$ and too long term, even if MON ate half.
Howev if you had a third team taking Andy first, and then maybe doing a final retain on top of that, along with futures assets, that would be enuf to get PLD, who could then be flipped to MON. Think Rangers
who could do
deal for Anderson first so he can be flipped to WPG
Habs have 0 cap so return on this must be min 5.5 going the other way
1. Anderson 5.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 2.75 per
for
Reaves 1.75 expiring
Carpenter .75 expiring
Vesey .75 expiring
Khodorenko .925 expiring -> rfa retain .295 = .63
Gettinger .75 expiring ->rfa
Henriksson .870 x 2 ->rfa
cap hit is exactly = 5.5 each;
contracts:
pre deal, MON has 45/50; they add 6, subtract 1 = net 5 which short term = fit
2. NYR - WPG
Jones .925 expiring ->rfa
Anderson 5.5 x 5 reduced by half = 2.75 per
Rangers eat .75 per so total = 2 per season!
NYR 2024 + 2025 1sts
total cap hit = 2.925
to WPG for
PLD 6M expiring
Jets 2024 and 2025 2nd round picks
total cap hit = 6
net cap dif = hit on Jets = (subtract 6, add 2.925 =) + 3.075 savings
----------
That would cover that part of it.
The follow thru is extensive, and it requires MON understand, it can on this occasion by happenstance have its cake and eat it too --- but not if it is greedy.
Habs want to max accelerate getting back to contending, but don't want to walk away from possible 1OA.
THEY CAN DO THAT if if if they straighten out the Fs, get them ready this yr to roll next yr, but suck ass on both D and G, which will require retool starting next season. That will be easier (fewer bodies) than Fs. Still do great at draft this yr
NY needs to move bread's 11+m but not give away free, get good future value
arguably bread agrees to waive nmc to huge stage in MON but that is IF IF IF he sees enuf dots connected to Habs quick turn around
NY can do all that for a profit and mutual back scratch
Panarin has played w/PLD + is good at RW w/LaF at LW, LaF likely to give some level of discount to Habs
A. Do the above deals
B. side deal 1:1 LaF for Slaf
C. PLD + Panarin for profit, profit, profit
assuming they all waive:
PLD 6.0 expiring ->rfa @ half retained = 3.0
Panarin 11,642,875 x 4
Lindbom elc .855 x 2
total cap hit = 15,497,875
to Rangers for
cap dump Gallager 6.5 x 5 max 50% reduced to 3.25 per
cap dump Hoffman 4.5 x 2
cap dump Drouin 5.5 expiring
cap dump Allen 2.875 current hit, then 3.85 x 2
Justin Barron .925 elc x 2
Guhle 863,333 x 3 elc
FL 2023 1st + Mon 2023 2nd
Mon. 2025 and 2027 1sts
16.913,333
cap dif = [16.913,333 - 15,497,875 =] 1,415,458 cap savings to MON/hit to NYR
contracts: NY adds 3, MON deducts 6, which NY can do
why MON.
Deal removes F deadwood from Habs roster, replacing w/PLD + bread = 1st line adds
now have solid Fs throughout, Suzuki, Dach pushed down in lines, others get a chance to replace short term [Druin, Hoffman] + long term [Gallagher] w/youth
cost is in goal and at D, Habs will improve and score more but suck ass at backline and in net. After effectively tanking, it will be easier to add fewer quality bodies at D and find at least one good G
NY — not done, but short term, are addressing structural cap by moving Panarin and getting value for him
Add 1sts and prospects
Rangers will sell off excess vets
==============
Have to work out final, but essentially NY flips Allen + possibly retaining, pays Ducks for taking Gallagher
acquire Vatrano
Allen makes Gibson available more readily
etc etc etc
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Why do you waste time posting. He said he wants to be a Hab. If that is the case he will accept a fair deal. And they will likely be a playoff team in 2 years.I don't think he will want to go to a non-playoff team unless you overpay
We're back to trash offers, followed by "we'll just wait to get him for free" are we?
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You went through all of that, and it didn't occur to you that Winnipeg has no interest in acquiring Anderson? Start with Montreal's 1st round pick in this years draft. If you don't want to part with it, roll the dice and see if he comes over as a UFA, assuming Winnipeg hasn't traded him to a team that's already talked him into a long term deal...
PLD for Guhle. There is your trade.
Real value going each way. That’s how trades work my man. Both teams part with something that’s painful.
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