Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[BackPassChampions]

This shouldn't be a shock to anyone. And furthers the notion that some media outlets create stories for purposes of creating chaos in Leaf Land.

This is nothing new. I stopped reading into anything from TSN or Sportsnet etc since Shanny was in town. They're tight-lipped & the media is losing their mind, making up stories because they have nothing to hold on to. I don't see why people follow this non-sense about Hunter and Dubas clashing. It's all lies and toxic to our team.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'll look for it, but Dubas made the trade based on marincins possession numbers, I do remember that and how they said he had the potential to be a top 4 pairing guy

Martin Marincin a good fit for Mike Babcock's Leafs | The Star

 

[Nithoniniel]

I wonder if this "Dubas has no autonomy"-angle would have been there if Hunter had been chosen instead.

this time the new GM in training Dubas has lots of restrictions on his job description that a normal GM wouldn't have

A mod should know better than to post speculation as if it is a fact.

 

[Liminality]

This is nothing new. I stopped reading into anything from TSN or Sportsnet etc since Shanny was in town. They're tight-lipped & the media is losing their mind, making up stories because they have nothing to hold on to. I don't see why people follow this non-sense about Hunter and Dubas clashing. It's all lies and toxic to our team.

Sportsnet has been getting worse and worse. They're like the TMZ of the hockey world now.

 

[Fogelhund]

April 20, 2016:

Maple Leafs' Kyle Dubas says he's not ready for GM job - Sportsnet.ca





LOL talk about accelerated learning curve - what a difference a year makes!!!

Two years... it's 2018 now... that was 2016.

 

[hotpaws]

Why not offer to donate money to a charity as a bet than self-ban each other. We are all fans after all.

i already give to charities and i'm also very supportive of those less fortunate than myself so if the poster is so confident Hunter stays then why not make a friendly wager ?

 

[HarrisonFord]

Interesting to see how the Leafs draft this year with Dubes running the show

 

[zeke]

good stuff.

dubas will temper babcock's weaknesses, and babcock will temper dubas' weaknesses.

it should bring the team into a nice balance, with cold hard analytics taking the lead but intangibles not being neglected, either.

 

[LeafGrief]

Awesome! Excited to see what Dubas can do at the helm. This is a good day for the Leafs.

 

[Hope Bringer]

What GM doesn't need approval from their superiors? There's always an extra rung in the ladder, whether it's President or Owner, especially if you're talking trading someone like Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

Anyone we brought in would have to earn my trust though.
Burke came in with a winning record and I had high hopes for him too but he burned my trust when he traded unprotected 1st round picks

I'm 100% behind him and hope he does a fantastic job. I won't blindly trust that he will though as some others seem to be doing.

 

[Walshy7]

Interesting to see how the Leafs draft this year with Dubes running the show

Hunter is in charge of the drafts. He was when Lou was here. The only thing Lou would do and Dubas will do is discuss trades and then ask hunter about what’s likely at our pick and should we use it in trade

 

[AllDay28]

if all people can complain about is marincin im content. 1 "bad" move uh oh what gm does that?lmaybe he'll sign plugs like Dominic Moore...

 

[MR4]

I'll look for it, but Dubas made the trade based on marincins possession numbers, I do remember that and how they said he had the potential to be a top 4 pairing guy

More his shot suppression #s, Marincin is truly elite at denying zone entries but he just makes too many blatant turnovers to be trusted by an NHL coach.

I think the general worry with Dubas isnt age, its approach. People are still very wary of an analytics first approach to teambuilding, and rightfully so, just look at the genius over in Arizona.

Personally i think Dubas is going to have a lot of support from all of the right people in the organisation, whether he ignores it or not will be interesting to see.

The moves he makes this offseason will be incredibly interesting.

I think a lot of people are misguided in who Dubas really is. He's said in the past that numbers are to support the eye test, he isn't a full blown analytics is king type of guy.

we'll make a bet

if Hunters here by the start of the season i won't post for 3 months , if he leaves you do the self imposed ban

deal ?

I literally couldn't care less about whether you're right or not. Maybe he is here, maybe he isn't, but honestly someone else should take the deal since limiting yourself to Hunter being gone just before season starts is actually good odds for me. If anything I'd see it more as replacing a mid season firing.

Just please stop wasting everyone's time with your constant sarcastic irrelevant posts and add to the discussion instead.

Seems slightly more fair if its ban-for-ban stakes.

When you've got the worse odds you want a higher payout

 

[hotpaws]

If hunter doesn’t get a gm job somewhere else you think he will still leave? Why would he leave just because Dubas got hired. He would need to leave to a gm job to not look like a sulking baby to be honest.

call him what you like but i see him leaving before the season starts and i'm sure Dubas would love nothing better than for him to leave and to name his own guy as a replacement

 

[Trapper]

Do you believe Dubas could fire the coach Babcock just like other GMs in the league, or fire scouts like Hunter?

Do you think Dubas could trade anyone off the roster like say Matthews like other GMs?

Do you think its Dubas alone that will negotiate and decide Matthews, Marner next contracts etc like most GMs would?

Do you think Dubas could buyout Zaitsev or Marleau etc without approval?

This is what I'm getting at, and unlike when Leafs hired greenhorn JFJ last time and he could sign, trade and run the show and make mistakes without having to answer to anyone but ownership, this time the new GM in training Dubas has lots of restrictions on his job description that a normal GM wouldn't have, and is well insulted with others around him that will be calling their own shots.

I don't believe even Lou could have done these things without Shanahan involved in the process. It was rarely Lou sitting up top alone, Shanahan was there. Just like Boston, I seriously doubt Cam Neely doesn't know and approve of the moves Sweeney is going to make.

 

[Morgs]

and my point was that before he was hired i kept hearing it was mgmt by committee

also the final decision maker may or may not have changed , that person may have been and may still be Shanny

I just don't see how Shanny could convince Lou to come in without full autonomy. Sure they listen to each other in a group setting, but I don't think Shanny brought in all these smart hockey men just to help inflate his own ego.

 

[AllDay28]

Hunter is in charge of the drafts. He was when Lou was here. The only thing Lou would do and Dubas will do is discuss trades and then ask hunter about what’s likely at our pick and should we use it in trade

imagine thats how it worked?

 

[Ratboy]

Now we can grow our sideburns again!

 

[saltming]

Do you believe Dubas could fire the coach Babcock just like other GMs in the league, or fire scouts like Hunter?

Do you think Dubas could trade anyone off the roster like say Matthews like other GMs?

Do you think its Dubas alone that will negotiate and decide Matthews, Marner next contracts etc like most GMs would?

Do you think Dubas could buyout Zaitsev or Marleau etc without approval?

This is what I'm getting at, and unlike when Leafs hired greenhorn JFJ last time and he could sign, trade and run the show and make mistakes without having to answer to anyone but ownership, this time the new GM in training Dubas has lots of restrictions on his job description that a normal GM wouldn't have, and is well insulted with others around him that will be calling their own shots.

First of all the front office is a team and works like a team. The GM has final say and decides which route to follow. That's the normal way things go.
Unless you have evidence of anything otherwise your guessing here.

 

[francis246]

Ya I'm sure babcock is gonna sewer Dubas in public. I don't think there's a riff between them at all. But this doesn't prove anything

 

[saltming]

I'm 100% behind him and hope he does a fantastic job. I won't blindly trust that he will though as some others seem to be doing.

Agreed! I love the potential and I'm behind him but trust is earned

 

[ULF_55]

Do you believe Dubas could fire the coach Babcock just like other GMs in the league, or fire scouts like Hunter?

Do you think Dubas could trade anyone off the roster like say Matthews like other GMs?

Do you think its Dubas alone that will negotiate and decide Matthews, Marner next contracts etc like most GMs would?

Do you think Dubas could buyout Zaitsev or Marleau etc without approval?

This is what I'm getting at, and unlike when Leafs hired greenhorn JFJ last time and he could sign, trade and run the show and make mistakes without having to answer to anyone but ownership, this time the new GM in training Dubas has lots of restrictions on his job description that a normal GM wouldn't have, and is well insulted with others around him that will be calling their own shots.

Well, except we know JFj could not do what he wanted to do ... tear it up and rebuild.

There have been several GM's with the Leafs who had to go to the owner to get approval ... like when they wouldn't let them sign Gretzky.

 

[hotpaws]

I just don't see how Shanny could convince Lou to come in without full autonomy. Sure they listen to each other in a group setting, but I don't think Shanny brought in all these smart hockey men just to help inflate his own ego.

and yet many on here believed LL didn't have full autonomy and was just a figurehead

anyway i don't want to sidetrack this thread more than i have so i'm out

 

[BertCorbeau]

and i can't wait for any mistake he may make to be spun and blamed on someone else

also considering how much he liked to talk before LL muzzled him i can't wait to see the Burke interpreters come out of retirement and constantly explain what he really meant by the non sense he said

anyway he's been set up very well so i don't to hear any excuses

Oh he’s fair game for criticism, but it’ll be the minor depth signings that get overblown as if he’s a good or bad GM