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Al14

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Where the heck did this notion come from? I hear all the analysts spreading it too?

How can the window already be closing? The window hasn't even been fully framed yet.

Last time I checked ELC stood for "ENTRY level contract" and not "win now oy you're #$%@'ed." Maybe if the Leafs were in cap trouble or had a self-imposed lower cap limit. But they have plenty of cap space, nice cap bump this year and future flexibility - they have tons of room for growth.
What will happen with our Leafs, will happen, good, or not good! We'll see how it all plays out in 3 to 5 years.

Once all of our ELCs are locked into huge contracts, and, we're up against the Cap, our Leafs will have little wiggle room to upgrade the roster to put them over the hump.

The point I was to trying to make, was to try and win it all, in the short term, by getting a true #1 D NOW.

Didn't Chicago win with Kane and/or Toews still on ELCs?
 

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Yeah same. Calgary will probably insist on kap because of his upside though
True but maybe Brown plus Leivo or Nielsen.
I know Brown is the hometown boy, th rounder... but I think he is very close to being a finish product where as Kap is just scratching his potential.
 

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Dear Mr. Kyle Dubas,

Congratulations on your appointment as General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I'm sure it's a dream come true for you and your family. Your years of hard work in the hockey community, starting at the age of 11, have resulted in your being granted the job that many argue is the toughest executive position in the sport. Yes, I said the toughest. While there are 30 other positions in the NHL equivalent to yours, positions that demand of their occupants the same job description which you've just accepted - win the Cup damnit - you have the honor of having to do so in front of the most rabid fan base in the sport. While we don't know each other Kyle, may I call you Kyle?, please allow me a chance to explain, as I'll be doing so with every move you make from here on in. You've accepted a job with a description that allows any and all, including me, who have no basis of critique, and yet will unfailingly comment on anything you do (be it a bowel movement in the morning or the trading of a 1st round pick) with total confidence, regardless of your/organizational intent, big picture wise.

Kyle, as you know, you've inherited a team that is on the cusp of greatness. Greatness being defined as being a contender year in and year out. Greatness being defined for we Leaf fans more accurately as being the Cup champion year in and year out. I know this is a bit overambitious, but we've been waiting a long time (some might say too long) and possessing Lord Stanley's' is our perceived due...or so think many. This, Kyle, is not a joke. Pay attention, man. We've seen brilliance here and have been denied time and again. Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, Sundin...ok, the list is short, but you get my drift, right? We're due and it's your f*ckin' responsibility to ensure that it occurs every f*ckin year until I, I mean we, get tired of the parades down f*ckin Young St. Kyle, for god's sake pay attention. You think I've got a bit of a burr up my ass, wait until you read what is brewing on HF boards, those b*st*rds are ruthless and will nut you without a second thought should you do anything that doesn't immediately improve the team. Yes, Kyle, they're relentless. I'm only saying this to give you the heads' up, 'cause you know I support you 100%, until you f*ck up. Oh, and you will, Kyle. You'll f*ck up in a big way. You'll trade my favorite player for some bum, you'll not select my favorite player in the draft, regardless of what Hunter says is the thing to do, because Hunter and I are on the same page day after day and while we're at it, why the h*ll are you allowing Babcock to play so and so with so and so when we can defininatly see that so and so should be playing with what's his name. I mean, REALLY.

Kyle, look, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just trying to set you on the course that ensures success for the team that I - sorry, we - love. It's just that I've been following this team for a long time and I know what is needed to put them over the top, Champeens, you know what I'm saying, mate. So look, take what I've said here with a grain of salt 'cause we're all behind you. The fact that winning Sir Stanley's is not just having the best team, the best coached team, the best skilled team, the best goal-tended team, the best 1-20 team, but is a conquest that involves a wee bit of luck, well, don't let that trouble your morning coffee. We're behind you, Kyle. Love the fact you're the new man that's going to drive us to the Grail and I know you've got it all going forward. All the best to you my friend, until you aren't.

With the most sincerest of good hopes and veiled daggers,
Your friend
A Maple Leafs Fan.

ps. don't f*ck this up or your name is Nonis.

pps. go get 'em kiddo.
 
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Hurt

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What will happen with our Leafs, will happen, good, or not good! We'll see how it all plays out in 3 to 5 years.

Once all of our ELCs are locked into huge contracts, and, we're up against the Cap, our Leafs will have little wiggle room to upgrade the roster to put them over the hump.

The point I was to trying to make, was to try and win it all, in the short term, by getting a true #1 D NOW.

Didn't Chicago win with Kane and/or Toews still on ELCs?

There's a belief out there that superstar players are worth what they are paid and then the middling players are the most overpaid players in the NHL. Guys scoring 50 points a year or #3-5D men making 4-6(7?)M a year. This would include the Bozaks and JVRs of the world. With that said, how that translates over to our team is the same way it did for the Pens and the Hawks for a decade - Pay your top guys who are legitimate top guys then you can draft well to have constant ELCs going through the system and find guys to fill out the roster.

We had amazing forward depth this year which I don't see us repeating but that should mean that we find a guy (or two) on D who can munch up minutes. Give Rielly some damn support.
 

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Also, it's impossible to know if Dubas is the right choice right now over Hunter or someone else out there but as a Leafs fan, I want him to succeed. His success is our success.
 

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Who said i have concerns?

I said he will have challenges and outlined what I believe those to be.

He may be able to overcome them or might not. I didn’t offer a guess one way or another.
You said he has no track record...that is a concern
You said he has no time to earn on the job...that is a concern

You would rather discuss semantics?
 

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4th line RW is a solvable problem. If we’re getting another Dermott on RD I think overall both clubs get better. A good old fashioned hockey trade, right @MR4 ?
Loool thanks for seeing my opinion as valuable enough to @ for it, personally I don't think we're super strong on RW if Nylander goes to C (and he most definitely should), we're at Marner (1st line quality) / Kapanen (2nd line quality) / Brown (3rd line quality w/o potential for good 2nd liner in future), so I do question whether we can actually say we have a surplus on RW. In a Kapanen for Andersson trade I really like Kapanen and want him on this team longterm, but Dubas does too so if he makes this swap and sees great potential in Andersson I'll come to terms with it and be happy.

As others have said, I'd MUCH rather a Brown+ for Andersson deal. Agree that Brownie's probably topped out.
 

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Also, it's impossible to know if Dubas is the right choice right now over Hunter or someone else out there but as a Leafs fan, I want him to succeed. His success is our success.
Well said. He's surrounded by smart people and he knows what he's doing. After so many years of inept management, it's certainly refreshing to have trust in his vision
 

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One more year of all three of Dubas, Hunter and Lou all in their respective positions would've been ideal, however I think it was pretty clear that Dubas and Hunter (maybe more so Dubas) were not willing to wait any longer and were ready to leave if this was not the year they were given the GM position.

Hunter.... well it's like they say about a good labourer in a trade, if your too good at being a labourer then you will never be taken off the shovel. Hunter is an exceptional scout, and if he's a GM, he would be no longer scouting.... which is his strongest attribute.

One thing is for certain though.... Hunter makes Dave Morrison look very very bad.
 

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I hope Hunter stays and waits in the wings. When, and if, Dubas fails, the G.M. job is his. Til then, he should keep stocking the cupboards in hopes of bringing home a Stanley Cup.

Hunter will be just as much a hero as Dubas when our Leafs bring home a Stanley Cup.

We shall see where Hunter's allegiance lies!
 
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You said he has no track record...that is a concern
You said he has no time to earn on the job...that is a concern

You would rather discuss semantics?

I’d rather you try to pick a fight with someone else because you are ill equipped is you resort to making things up.

His challenge is that he doesn’t have time. And the facts are he has no track record as a GM

Both of those can be overcome. I never offered an opinion that said these things would sink him. Just a challenge to face.

Enjoy your night.
 

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I hope Hunter stays and waits in the wings. When, and if, Dubas fails, the G.M. job is his. Til then, he should keep stocking the cupboards in hopes of bringing home a Stanley Cup.

Hunter will be just as much a hero as Dubas when our Leafs bring home a Stanley Cup.

We shall see where Hunter's allegiance lies!
If they would share in the success they'd share in the failure so if KD was fired why would anyone want Hunter to be next in line ?
 
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slozo

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I hope Hunter stays and waits in the wings. When, and if, Dubas fails, the G.M. job is his. Til then, he should keep stocking the cupboards in hopes of bringing home a Stanley Cup.

Hunter will be just as much a hero as Dubas when our Leafs bring home a Stanley Cup.

We shall see where Hunter's allegiance lies!

I hope Hunter thinks in this way - really, it's mature, long-term thinking - and sticks with the Leafs.

I believe it would be win-win for Hunter, if Dubas succeeds, does ok, or fails. It's a comfortable and great position to be in. And he's done a fantastic job in his scouting position already.

I love the choice of Dubas, in that it reflects a forward-thinking, progressive approach; one willing to take risks, and not afraid of going against established protocols of the old school way.

I love the decisions that Shanahan has made so far - he made a slightly out of the box decision to go with the more old school and and perhaps "over the hill" guy in Lou Lamiourello; and now he's gone for the young and inexperienced "new school" guy in Dubas.

Both decisions reflect a choice based on very little bias, and almost entirely based on pure merit in regards to the team.

I like it. Doesn't guarantee success for Dubas, but I wholeheartedly agree with that thinking.
 
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Al14

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If they would share in the success they'd share in the failure so if KD was fired Hunter why would anyone want Hunter to be next in line ?
If Dubas makes some bad decisions, against Hunter's advice, then, it's possible that Shanahan will identify this, and replace Dubas with Hunter.

We shall see how long Dubas and Hunter last together as boss and subordinate. Hunter may have one foot out the door already. Maybe Lou takes him along, where ever he ends up. :dunno:
 

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Just to add, I know Hunter is easily replaceable, which explains why all I'm reading from other fan bases and reporters is how their respective teams should jump all over him. Hello in there.
 
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Martin Skoula

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He's probably best in the league right now and we all want the best, but I'll be ecstatic even if Dubas is top 5 and happy if top 10

Don't get me wrong, Yzerman has pulled off some great trades, but he wouldn't be able to be as aggressive as he is without a stocked prospect base that he isn't fully responsible for building. Florida's tax laws also certainly don't hurt for retaining top talent at under-valued deals.

What I'm saying is you can be the best at the duties that a GM has to do, but weak links in your staff, city, or other elements outside of your control can limit how effective you can be. Meanwhile the Rangers could have a chimp as acting GM and still sign big name UFAs at will.
 

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I like Dubas and I think he is going to do a great job as GM. He is a forward thinker who sees merit in scouting as well as analytics and is willing to learn and evolve. I am hoping he kills it, and makes the moves to put us over the top and keep us there.

I just really hope Hunter stays. He is very hard to replace, and if I had to choose between the two, I have to go with Hunter (because of his eye for talent, which we need to sustain success, and the connections he has to help unearth talent). I think he would do an equally as good of job as GM, and is also very forward thinking.

My fingers are crossed Hunter stays, because if he walks along with some of our top scouts he hired, it would be a massive blow for us going forward, more-so than losing Dubas in my opinion.
 

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I like Dubas and I think he is going to do a great job as GM. He is a forward thinker who sees merit in scouting as well as analytics and is willing to learn and evolve. I am hoping he kills it, and makes the moves to put us over the top and keep us there.

I just really hope Hunter stays. He is very hard to replace, and if I had to choose between the two, I have to go with Hunter (because of his eye for talent, which we need to sustain success, and the connections he has to help unearth talent). I think he would do an equally as good of job as GM, and is also very forward thinking.

My fingers are crossed Hunter stays, because if he walks along with some of our top scouts he hired, it would be a massive blow for us going forward, more-so than losing Dubas in my opinion.

Quite important that Hunter sticks around. I think he is in the top 10 of scouting managers and that's coming from being in the 20-30 range.
 

DavePoulin4PM

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I'll take Leafs management over Tampa.

Why? There is no team in this league that drafts as well as Tampa. Period. This regime have not shown that they can find any sort of value outside of the selection of Travis Dermott (who was a high 2nd). Yzerman constantly finds value.

Did Kyle Dubas not handle the Kessel trade? How did that go? Did a Kyle Dubas built team ever even reach an OHL final?
 
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