Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[Warden of the North]

The reaction from some of the Toronto media is tiresome yet predictable.

A bunch of “old boys” immediately haiting anybody who doesn’t fit their narrow view of the game. Hopefully Dubas keeps them all shutout of the loop and treat them with the same disdain that they have for him.

Shockingly its the same guys who whined and moaned about the Lamoriello hiring.

 

[Menzinger]

Dubas may love Nylander, but, sometimes you have to give quality to get quality. We need a top pairing D badly.

I think he’ll seek to improve the Leafs defense, but will view guys like Nylander-Marner as near untouchable unless the trade optics favour the Leafs.

I’d say it’s huge unlikelihood that Nylander is traded under Kyle Dubas, especially for the first few years.

Dubas likely seems to find first younger guys with untapped/overlooked potential before he does any major trade.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Yeah, with the way Dubas talks I don't think he's the guy who will make big sideways moves to rearrange the roster. He will instead try to fill that weakness by finding exploitable situations. In other words, he's less likely to make a Johansen-Jones trade, and more likely to try and find our own Schmidt.

 

[thewave]

Yes the Leafs could possibly, maybe, potentially, could, conceivably, weather permitting have some internal disputes that some expect though they won't go on record.

They absolutely positively have disputes and if they don't while doing the type of work they do, I would be shocked. The hope I have is that the smartest people control the office. It's not good to have Babcock dictating who and what he wants and you also don't want Hunter trying to ram through players Dubas doesn't want while crying to Shanahan about it.

We can only hope can actually run this and the senior citizens without them losing respect for him and his decisions.

With the fans, he will start losing our respect his first bad trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It's not good to have Babcock dictating who and what he wants and you also don't want Hunter trying to ram through players Dubas doesn't want while crying to Shanahan about it.

Of course it would not be good, but we also don't know that this is in fact the case.

 

[SprDaVE]

Yeah, with the way Dubas talks I don't think he's the guy who will make big sideways moves to rearrange the roster. He will instead try to fill that weakness by finding exploitable situations. In other words, he's less likely to make a Johansen-Jones trade, and more likely to try and find our own Schmidt.

It's very likely what will happen but don't under estimate a new GM wanting to make a bit of noise.

The big advantage we have with Dubas over hiring an outsider is that he knows every single one of the young players and most of the actual NHLers. He won't assume their character traits or deficiencies, which is a big relief.

Some players like Holl and Sparks will very likely get a lot more leash and a bigger chance to prove themselves.

 

[saltming]

Think this point needs to be made. Everyone knows the TO media going in, which is perhaps another thing to consider when you bring in a big unknown with no track record. With a guy like Lou that commanded such respect, he kept these wolves at bay, I believe it an open question whether this new era will be treated the same. Is Toronto really the type of market to try this out? Again I’m not sure, but the media is an known quantity so if they see any weakness, turmoil, gossipy crap, it will consume them.

It will be interesting to see how Dubas handles the media. He doesn't seem as strict as Lou but I don't see him as a pushover either.
Also I think he will use social media more and possibly with great effect.
Time will tell but regardless of all that when journalists print gossip with unnamed sources it gets my goat.

 

[Beaninfritz]

So Doobie's the new GM? Was there ever really any doubt?

 

[BertCorbeau]

It will be interesting to see how Dubas handles the media. He doesn't seem as strict as Lou but I don't see him as a pushover either.
Also I think he will use social media more and possibly with great effect.
Time will tell but regardless of all that when journalists print gossip with unnamed sources it gets my goat.

Based on a couple of the recent interviews I've seen it seems like he's adopting Lou's technique of saying a lot while saying nothing at the same time

I like it.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Loool thanks for seeing my opinion as valuable enough to @ for it, personally I don't think we're super strong on RW if Nylander goes to C (and he most definitely should), we're at Marner (1st line quality) / Kapanen (2nd line quality) / Brown (3rd line quality w/o potential for good 2nd liner in future), so I do question whether we can actually say we have a surplus on RW. In a Kapanen for Andersson trade I really like Kapanen and want him on this team longterm, but Dubas does too so if he makes this swap and sees great potential in Andersson I'll come to terms with it and be happy.

As others have said, I'd MUCH rather a Brown+ for Andersson deal. Agree that Brownie's probably topped out.

Yes, we would all much rather give up less to get the same I’d prefer to send Polak the other way.

But looking at what it might take to get Andersson, a 2nd line RW is more solvable in UFA/trade than a top pair RHD. Not that Andersson is a lock for top pair, but you need to take risks to get value, and it’s a risk that seems reasonable.

We also have Marleau who can play C, so between that flexibility and whoever we bring in the off season on value contracts, and whoever surprises from the Marlies, I think we can afford to lose a Kapanen before July 1 in order to shore up that RD need.

Overall, I would do it for Kapanen, maybe no more than that.

 

[saltming]

Based on a couple of the recent interviews I've seen it seems like he's adopting Lou's technique of saying a lot while saying nothing at the same time

I like it.

3 years of Lou psychobabble. Haha

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Yeah, with the way Dubas talks I don't think he's the guy who will make big sideways moves to rearrange the roster. He will instead try to fill that weakness by finding exploitable situations. In other words, he's less likely to make a Johansen-Jones trade, and more likely to try and find our own Schmidt.

Yeah pretty much. He's all about exploiting weakness and creatively filling holes from what I can tell. Especially great at recognizing undervalued/underused players who could thrive in a different situation. Frankly I think that will go perfectly for us

 

[ponder]

I’m of course a little worried about having a young, inexperienced GM from a signings and trades point of view, but he’s learned from the best, and he apparently has a great mind for the game.

Big picture, Shanny has earned my trust to date, so I’ll keep trusting his moves until he gives me reason not to. Shanny clearly likes him, so I’m optimistic too.

 

[killer1980]

In this era of the 'ME', it is more than likely that Babcock will not take kindly to any interference from the kid. Also, talk is cheap and it's clear that almost everyone these days talks out of both sides of their mouth and nothing is to be believed. I think that Shanahan and Babcock will be calling the shots. If things go well, they'll take the credit. If things go poorly, they'll leave Dubas holding the bag. Seeing the recent playoff series, they all have a lot bigger job to do than I thought. But, then again, I could be wrong.

 

[DarkKnight]

It will be interesting to see how Dubas handles the media. He doesn't seem as strict as Lou but I don't see him as a pushover either.
Also I think he will use social media more and possibly with great effect.
Time will tell but regardless of all that when journalists print gossip with unnamed sources it gets my goat.

I think he does have a lot of supporters within the media as of right now, so that’s a good start.

 

[hotpaws]

I think he does have a lot of supporters within the media as of right now, so that’s a good start.

The media couldn't give a f*** who the GM is , they want something to write about and KD likes to talk so for them it's a win . The problem with talking however is the more you say the more that come back to bite you in the ass .

3 years with LL and little to no drama from the media outside of the odd idiot looking to stir shit which was ignored and went away quickly

unfortunately it seems young KD's mouth has quickly picked up where it left off 3 years ago when LL muzzled him , hopefully it's just about his hire and not a trend since working in the background like LL made everyone do while the product on the ice took center stage served the team well

 

[BertCorbeau]

The media couldn't give a **** who the GM is , they want something to write about and KD likes to talk so for them it's a win . The problem with talking however is the more you say the more that come back to bite you in the ass .

3 years with LL and little to no drama from the media outside of the odd idiot looking to stir **** which was ignored and went away quickly

unfortunately it seems young KD's mouth has quickly picked up where it left off 3 years ago when LL muzzled him , hopefully it's just about his hire and not a trend since working in the background like LL made everyone do while the product on the ice took center stage served the team well

Huh?

 

[hotpaws]

Huh?

before LL came KD was always in the media , once LL arrived he was muzzled , the overdrive crew were even joking about it in an interview with him the day he was hired

 

[BertCorbeau]

before LL came KD was always in the media , once LL arrived he was muzzled , the overdrive crew were even joking about it in an interview with him the day he was hired

Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote but it sounded like you said he's been running his mouth in the media?

 

[hotpaws]

Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote but it sounded like you said he's been running his mouth in the media?

a bit
there was one interview where he stated he was going to focus on building a team that makes it out of our division because he feels that make sense , i have no idea wtf that's supposed to mean since

1 - the goal is winning the cup and you have to win 4 rounds which only 2 of are in your division

2 - our entire division doesn't play the same style and you don't know who's going to be your stiffest competition from year to year , not to mention your not even guaranteed to play teams in your division the first 2 rounds if you take into account the wild card teams

3 - you can't just turn over large amounts of your roster yearly based on the style of play of who your main challenger(s) would be in any given year

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

In this era of the 'ME', it is more than likely that Babcock will not take kindly to any interference from the kid. Also, talk is cheap and it's clear that almost everyone these days talks out of both sides of their mouth and nothing is to be believed. I think that Shanahan and Babcock will be calling the shots. If things go well, they'll take the credit. If things go poorly, they'll leave Dubas holding the bag. Seeing the recent playoff series, they all have a lot bigger job to do than I thought. But, then again, I could be wrong.

Profile picture suits the amount of analysis here.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Yeah, with the way Dubas talks I don't think he's the guy who will make big sideways moves to rearrange the roster. He will instead try to fill that weakness by finding exploitable situations. In other words, he's less likely to make a Johansen-Jones trade, and more likely to try and find our own Schmidt.

The Johansen-Jones trade wasn't a bad trade it's helped both teams. How is a trade that helped both teams viewed as a sideways move? Look at the D on Nashville and they most likely got the most value they could have out of Jones.

 

[killer1980]

Profile picture suits the amount of analysis here.

Exactly!

 

[Morbo]

These guys will try to find any negative angle they can. It's what they do. Bad news sells more than good news.

 

[Daisy Jane]

a bit
there was one interview where he stated he was going to focus on building a team that makes it out of our division because he feels that make sense , i have no idea wtf that's supposed to mean since

1 - the goal is winning the cup and you have to win 4 rounds which only 2 of are in your division

2 - our entire division doesn't play the same style and you don't know who's going to be your stiffest competition from year to year , not to mention your not even guaranteed to play teams in your division the first 2 rounds if you take into account the wild card teams

3 - you can't just turn over large amounts of your roster yearly based on the style of play of who your main challenger(s) would be in any given year

well it kinda made sense to me but only kinda. because of your #1and #2 points
but i figured it basically meant that we have to be better than the majority of our division. like they don't play the same way, but as i've said if we become a team that can basically "morph" ie: if you wanna play rough, wecan play rough but still burn you with speed or skill, or if you want a track meet, we can track meet with you all day every day or be a chess match game like the players have the IQ to adapt, not be lost out there. something akin to heyday Chicago.