Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[thewave]

Hunter is already an AGM. The difference here is that Hunter is a AGM as a scout. He won't handle the Marlies because he wouldn't be able to do his job properly.

Now to think of it though, I could see Pridham getting a bit of a promotion and taking over Dubas' current role handling the Marlies and their day to day.

Why? They had split AGM, normally AGM does all the above? They don't need and never did need multiple AGM as it was a created for Dubas and Hunter to not make one less than the other.

 

[SprDaVE]

Why? They had split AGM, normally AGM does all the above? They don't need and never did need multiple AGM as it was a created for Dubas and Hunter to not make one less than the other.

The difference for the Leafs is that Hunter isn't your typical AGM. He only has the title for monetary and prestige reasons. He's the Head of Scouting and in most organisations he would be only that.

Leafs have operated a little different there for the last few years. Hunter is all scouting and Dubas was all Marlies and handling the analytics /development department. With Dubas getting the promotion, they will need someone for the Marlies. I'd be shocked if Hunter took over that role.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[DarkKnight]

The difference for the Leafs is that Hunter isn't your typical AGM. He only has the title for monetary and prestige reasons. He's the Head of Scouting and in most organisations he would be only that.

Leafs have operated a little different there for the last few years. Hunter is all scouting and Dubas was all Marlies and handling the analytics /development department. With Dubas getting the promotion, they will need someone for the Marlies. I'd be shocked if Hunter took over that role.

You truly are out to lunch, Shanny even said Hunter was involved in all facets, including trades. "All scouting" lol.

 

[SprDaVE]

You truly are out to lunch, Shanny even said Hunter was involved in all facets, including trades. "All scouting" lol.

Your head of Pro and Amateur scouting involved in trade conversations and involved in day to day operations. Woah!!!!

I never said he wasn't involved in those things.

 

[DarkKnight]

Your head of Pro and Amateur scouting involved in trade conversations and involved in day to day operations. Woah!!!!

I never said he wasn't involved in those things.

No your assistant GM was involved in trades and day to day operations. Woah. Zzzz.

 

[SprDaVE]

No your assistant GM was involved in trades and day to day operations. Woah. Zzzz.

...as Head of Scouting.

What is so hard to understand? I just remembered why you're on ignore... I probably shouldn't read the ignored comments... I never learn.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Hunter is already an AGM. The difference here is that Hunter is a AGM as a scout. He won't handle the Marlies because he wouldn't be able to do his job properly.

That is not fact. He knows how to run a team. The Knights have been the model CHL franchise. He is also a former coach of the Marlies.

 

[Nithoniniel]

That is not fact. He knows how to run a team. The Knights have been the model CHL franchise. He is also a former coach of the Marlies.

You missed the point. Hunter has a whole department to run which will require a ton of time, he won't be able to do both that and be the Marlies GM effectively. By giving him the Marlies, we limit the amount of time he spends scouting. And that's what we want him to do above all else.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No, I didn't. He can handle the job. Other AGMs and some GMs do just that.

 

[Nithoniniel]

No, I didn't. He can handle the job. Other AGMs and some GMs do just that.

Care to bring up any examples of Head Scouts that also run an AHL franchise? Because the Head Scout/Assistant GM combination is very rare in itself.

It's also just plain logic that if you have two time-consuming jobs, you'll likely won't be able to devote enough time to both since time is finite.

There's really no reason to go this route when someone can be brought on for that job.

 

[hotpaws]

I doubt Hunter will be here very much longer so why are people arguing about whether he's be the Marlies next paper shuffler ?

 

[SprDaVE]

That is not fact. He knows how to run a team. The Knights have been the model CHL franchise. He is also a former coach of the Marlies.

I never said he didn't know how to run a team. All I said that he won't do both jobs. I think that's a fact. You don't just go for a scouting trip for weeks and/or months and leave your AHL duties. That's my point.

So if Hunter would prefer to run the Marlies, the Leafs will need a new Head of Scouting... and vice versa.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No, I don't know any as you said it is rare in itself. In fact, it is the first that I have heard of. However, that is moot. It doesn't mean it is fact that he cannot do the job, nor does it mean that he can't delegate head scouting while overseeing it as many GMs do. It does provide a good reason why he may not want to add Ake the job or why fans wouldn't want him to do it full time. It doesn't mean that he can't do the job.

 

[SprDaVE]

No, I don't know any as you said it is rare in itself. In fact, it is the first that I have heard of. However, that is moot. It doesn't mean it is fact that he cannot do the job, nor does it mean that he can't delegate head scouting while overseeing it as many GMs do. It does provide a good reason why he may not want to add Ake the job or why fans wouldn't want him to do it full time. It doesn't mean that he can't do the job.

It's not because he's not capable, it's more like it's probably nearly impossible. A GM doesn't just sign and trade players from the road or from his home office, he's involved with the team in day to day stuff a lot more than just handling phones. They are at the rink nearly every day with players. If the GM isn't there because he's also head of scouting or if he isn't scouting because of his GM duties, one job is severely neglected. That's the point.

You're going on about how he's capable. He sure is... but he isn't super-human and there's a big reason it's not done at the NHL level where scouting is world wide, not just province wide.

So either way, to get back to my original point before it became about Hunter... the Leafs will need to fill in Dubas' position, whether that's internally or not.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I was pointing out that he is capable. Yes, I agree that a GM does more than sign and trade players. I also agree that he is not super human. I an just glad you see that too.

 

[thewave]

The difference for the Leafs is that Hunter isn't your typical AGM. He only has the title for monetary and prestige reasons. He's the Head of Scouting and in most organisations he would be only that.

Leafs have operated a little different there for the last few years. Hunter is all scouting and Dubas was all Marlies and handling the analytics /development department. With Dubas getting the promotion, they will need someone for the Marlies. I'd be shocked if Hunter took over that role.

All scouts report to the AGM or head scout in some capacity. The President, GM and AGM have final say regardless. It's just part of the Job, Hunter is never in the field unless something interesting is out there and guess what, that was no different for Nonis or any other AGM ever. Even GMs go and scout first hand.

Hunter has a reputation for solid scouting and a good eye. He is an AGM and was a GM of his own team. He will control the Marlies now and carry on doing AGM duties which includes team building and scouting if he wants. He doesn't need a sidekick.

 

[MR4]

Lol at people not grasping the magnitude of the time required to be an effective head scout and an effective head of the AHL team, while combining the other responsibilities he already has as A. GM.

Hunter could run the Marlies. He could stay as Head scout. But he does not have enough time in the day for both.

Please point me to ANY A. GM that is head scout and GM of their AHL team if you disagree.

 

[thewave]

Lol at people not grasping the magnitude of the time required to be an effective head scout and an effective head of the AHL team, while combining the other responsibilities he already has as A. GM.

Hunter could run the Marlies. He could stay as Head scout. But he does not have enough time in the day for both.

Please point me to ANY A. GM that is head scout and GM of their AHL team if you disagree.

Most AGM are head scout and commanders of the AHL teams. The final say is the GM. Scouts make suggestions and when decisions are made GMs accompany scouts to scout themself. If you think Hunter was on the road 180 days a year scouting, your dopey.

 

[MR4]

Most AGM are head scout and commanders of the AHL teams. The final say is the GM. Scouts make suggestions and when decisions are made GMs accompany scouts to scout themself. If you think Hunter was on the road 180 days a year scouting, your dopey.

Point. Me. To. An. NHL. Head. Scout. That. Is. Also. An. AHL. GM.

You can't. Wanna know why?

There's an incomparable amount of more work involved in scouting for NHL head scouts vs. the small amount of pro scouting an AHL GM does.

 

[Stephen]

Wasn't the Marlies GM role just a proving ground for Dubas anyway? Typically, I don't recall AHL teams being run by a separate minor league general manager. It's not like the Marlies GM can go trade Justin Holl to someone for a draft pick for the Leafs...

 

[SprDaVE]

Wasn't the Marlies GM role just a proving ground for Dubas anyway? Typically, I don't recall AHL teams being run by a separate minor league general manager. It's not like the Marlies GM can go trade Justin Holl to someone for a draft pick for the Leafs...

It's not the same as a NHL GM for sure. There are no draft picks and you're a little bit at the mercy of your NHL operation and depth. It was a bit of a proving ground --- where he grabbed a lot of experience at the pro level and learned from a HHOF GM.

With that said, Dubas found a lot of hidden gems that allowed the Marlies to still be a top end team despite losing top scorers and top players over the years due to normal call ups and promotions. Not many AHL GMs can say they found really good AHL talent like Froese, Holl and Marchment, as well as very good depth that came from the ECHL to help out when they were short. Doesn't sound super impressive but they are good signs. Not only that, but he found a fantastic development coach. All these things point to someone with probably a good understanding of how to manage a team.

I think though the bigger praise comes from off the ice and other things we don't really see. Here's what Clune had to say about Dubas in 2016:

"I have the utmost respect for Kyle Dubas," Clune said. "I think before all the hockey stuff, and he obviously has an extremely high understanding of the game and putting together a team that has what it takes to win, I think he’s a good person, a good man, a family man. He’s been almost a bit of a mentor for me this year."
Above all else, Dubas says that he cares about the individuals.

"The management and coaches are excited to come in, you develop personal communication with the players, you get to know them and know that you care about them – which you genuinely do," he said. "When they know that every day you’re trying to maximize their abilities as hockey players I think they see that you mean it and it’s easy to be enthusiastic."

"I have nothing but a lot of respect for that guy. It has been a very positive experience working for him," Clune added. "From the day-to-day stuff I have never seen a guy who cares so much about his players -- and I really mean that."

 

[thewave]

Point. Me. To. An. NHL. Head. Scout. That. Is. Also. An. AHL. GM.

You can't. Wanna know why?

There's an incomparable amount of more work involved in scouting for NHL head scouts vs. the small amount of pro scouting an AHL GM does.

Hunter is the AGM, that's his job. Perhaps he wanted scout worked into the title. You know sometimes in Corp you get ceremonial titles as well.

 

[MR4]

Hunter is the AGM, that's his job. Perhaps he wanted scout worked into the title. You know sometimes in Corp you get ceremonial titles as well.

Christ. Head scout is NOT a ceremonial title.

I'd bet on there either being a new guy for another A. GM or a new Head scout, if Hunter stays. Or 2 new hires if he goes.

 

[Drytoast]

Why don't tweets show up for me?