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Realistically, Dubas is most likely a puppet. Shanny the politician putting young Dubas in place, while he pulls the strings. Chelios was 100% right, when he stated that Shanny was nothing but a politician. He sure knows how to play the game.
 
DavePoulin4PM said:
Realistically, Dubas is most likely a puppet. Shanny the politician putting young Dubas in place, while he pulls the strings. Chelios was 100% right, when he stated that Shanny was nothing but a politician. He sure knows how to play the game.
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That may be true, Dubas and Babs now have the same term, fascinating because MLSE can eat either (or both) contracts.
I’m happy that anything that Dubas does crosses Shanahans desk and am pretty sure that was the case with LL
 
The idea of trading Connor Brown makes the hairs on my neck stand up.

If he’s given a bigger role, after his sophomore year is behind him, given his really good offensive track record as a junior and a pro.... I can see regret. Actually, this would or should be the kind of player an astute GM would target rather than move away from. I get that you have to give to get, but I could see him really emerging.

I think the perception of him and his offensive acumen plus upside have changed and dipped because he just takes to whatever role he’s given and goes with it.....hard.

I’d rather circle the wagons around the complimentary guys mentioned here, since they seem better value bets (Petry, Braun, that have been suggested). Or comb through the mid range options in FA (DeHaan, Cole). Or leverage the cap space into a good D.

Or maybe Gardiner can fetch that kind of player plus some sweetener. Or, a Dermott-level prospect plus?
 
DavePoulin4PM said:
Realistically, Dubas is most likely a puppet. Shanny the politician putting young Dubas in place, while he pulls the strings. Chelios was 100% right, when he stated that Shanny was nothing but a politician. He sure knows how to play the game.
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clearly you know nothing about Dubas. Shanahan said himself his role is to support, not to interfere. Though I'm sure you think he's lying and wants to pretend he's in Game of Thrones or something
 
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The headaches might just be beginning for Leafs president Brendan Shanahan | The Star
When 32-year-old Kyle Dubas was named the 17th general manager in club history Friday, Shanahan’s work life got a lot more complicated. Suddenly he’s not just the team president. He’s also the in-office referee.

There are NHL lifers, after all, who believe Dubas’s biggest impending challenge isn’t negotiating contracts for Auston Matthews et al, nor plugging the gaping holes at centre and right defence. Dubas’s biggest impending challenge is managing Babcock. It’s expected Shanahan will soon enough find himself mediating disputes between the newly installed GM and the 55-year-old coach. Though born decades apart, the GM and coach share in common an ageless self-assurance and occasionally disparate views of the definition of a good-looking lineup.

Said one NHL source, imagining the outcome of the interplay: “(Babcock) is going to run roughshod over Dubas.”

That might be an exaggeration for effect. But it’s not a stretch to suggest the Dubas-Babcock relationship could require a complicated bit of management from Shanahan. Just three years into an eight-year deal that pays an annual average salary of $6.25 million, Babcock isn’t some disposable coach, even if he has lost seven of his past eight playoff series. So it’s far from a coincidence that Shanahan gave Dubas a five-year contract, matching the remaining term on Babcock’s deal. Babcock, one source said, occasionally lorded his deal over Lamoriello, who was on a three-year term as GM.

Perhaps that’s part of the reason why even the 75-year-old Lamoriello, with his controlling tendencies, was occasionally swayed by Babcock’s persistent lobbying for roster changes. The 2016 free-agent signing of Matt Martin was in part a product of the coach’s ceaseless insistences, according to multiple league sources. Now it’s up to Dubas to figure out what to do with Martin, who can’t get into a game despite two years pending at a cap hit of $2.5 million a season. Still, if not for Lamoriello’s hockey-godfather steadfastness, it’s assumed Babcock would have attempted to exert even more control.
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The headaches might just be beginning for Leafs president Brendan Shanahan | The Star
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According to "multiple league sources" who are nameless because they are simply speculating and trying to create drama and click bait for the summer months.

If you listened to anything Dubas said in the pressers.... He learned from LL how to be better with people and how to deal with them. It's not like he's coming into the job blindfolded and without a clue. He has been an integral part of our turnaround and building the foundation of this team for the next couple of decades for the past 3ish years now.
 
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Why have all the rats come out of the sewer?

The media doesn't realize that Dubas playing nice right now is his way of not antagonizing the media. If the media starts running wild like they used to, they will get shut out, Lou style.
 
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DavePoulin4PM said:
Realistically, Dubas is most likely a puppet. Shanny the politician putting young Dubas in place, while he pulls the strings. Chelios was 100% right, when he stated that Shanny was nothing but a politician. He sure knows how to play the game.
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Have you never seen/read anything from Dubas before?

The guy is a visionary. Shanahan knows it.

You’re drunk Dave. Go home!
 
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DavePoulin4PM said:
Realistically, Dubas is most likely a puppet. Shanny the politician putting young Dubas in place, while he pulls the strings. Chelios was 100% right, when he stated that Shanny was nothing but a politician. He sure knows how to play the game.
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You have no evidence for that. You read Chelios' book, but you have no evidence of Dubas being anyone's puppet. Lou is not anyone's puppet. He help groom Dubas for the job, so it is actually more certain that he is not a puppet.
 
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How much of it is his? Most of the roster was there when he came into the role. His notable accomplishments are allowing Stamkos to his UFA then signing him anyways...
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He did terrible on the Drouin deal too eh? I love how everyone gets criticized around here as over rated, meanwhile the guy is leading his team on a cup run. Lol.
 
This is great reading all these stories about who’s going to leave, will they get along, will there be tensions, lots to prove, lots of unknowns. Just think, two weeks again Lou wanted to stay and everything was just fine. Could work out awesome, but my first word was could and that was unnecessarily brought upon us imho.
 
saltming said:
Yellow journalism at its best.
Never change festeringchuck
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Think this point needs to be made. Everyone knows the TO media going in, which is perhaps another thing to consider when you bring in a big unknown with no track record. With a guy like Lou that commanded such respect, he kept these wolves at bay, I believe it an open question whether this new era will be treated the same. Is Toronto really the type of market to try this out? Again I’m not sure, but the media is an known quantity so if they see any weakness, turmoil, gossipy crap, it will consume them.
 
I really hope Dubas revamps their US NCAA/USHL scouts and system. They are pretty buttcheeks in that zone it's pathetic. I don't think we drafted a player out of that league since Frattin and Stalberg. Bozak and Hyman were traded/signed.
 
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I really hope Dubas revamps their US NCAA/USHL scouts and system. They are pretty buttcheeks in that zone it's pathetic. I don't think we drafted a player out of that league since Frattin and Stalberg. Bozak and Hyman were traded/signed.
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Agreed. I think we've drafted a player, but they havent made it to the NHL (if thats what you mean).

I want increases to every one of our drafting departments. We've got the money to spend, do it.
 
Menzinger said:
The reaction from some of the Toronto media is tiresome yet predictable.

A bunch of “old boys” immediately haiting anybody who doesn’t fit their narrow view of the game. Hopefully Dubas keeps them all shutout of the loop and treat them with the same disdain that they have for him.
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He talked about it with the OHL where some top class GMs looked at him the same way but they quickly learned to respect him with the way he built the Greyhounds without much of a budget to work with.
 
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