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I already feel bad for Dubas because he takes over the team during the rebuild when it is the most difficult to take it to the next level. Its easy to draft good when your team finishes bad, its hard to continue to grow your prospect pool/ big team talent when you finish 7 OA.

The guy will be blamed for everything wrong next year.
 
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Walshy7 said:
very much seems so, Shanny said "hunter was" at one point too. Well Dubas can hire a new head of scouting for everyone to spend 100+ pages to love or hate the hire
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It is sad as Hunter has been our best scout in forever. Without good drafting you have not got a good team. Hence why I was Hunter over Dubas but someone else over both.

I hope we offer him something he can not refuse as he was a great scout of talent.
John Ferguson Jr is a fantastic scout as well and always has been but he will be a GM again Likely. Tampa’s Head scout has been great.
 
MattySnipes said:
When listening to the conference you can hear the confidence in Dubas' tone. He also spouted off like 15 names within the organization I've never heard of. It's clear he knows a lot about the entire organization and has forged relationships which will be crucial going forward. Dubas admitted that he wants to keep everyone on board that has got the Leafs thus far and has no intention of letting anyone go (Hunter, Babcock, etc). He said he will be running interviews, talking to everyone within to see their vision and what they have to contribute to the Leafs in bringing a SC to Toronto, which has always been the main goal.
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he looked like he was about to shit himself tbh and when he started listing off names he reminded me of Burke who always would loved to throw out names like when he said he asked a NFL GM before he made the Pronger (i think it was) trade

anyway i'd expect most people in his situation to look nervous so no big deal but i didn't hear a confident tone in his voice like you did , not that it really matters
 
It would be a mistake for Hunter to leave the org without a concrete opportunity.

Dubas has the disposition and intellect to do the job from all appearances. He's not a full blown straight shooter, he will talk some fluff depending upon the audience, and he can rub some people the wrong way at times. We've got limited info on how he's going to do. He seems to have done a great job with the Marlies. I believe the negotiation of the Kessel trade was put on him. Mixed results on that one. That trade was done in a position of weakness (mandated to make the deal) and he did get Kapanen and a 1st that was the key piece in the Andersen trade but he did commit himself to salary retention on a PPG player.

Fans who love trades will probably like the next few years. He's confident and there's a league full of GMs who just might think they can outsmart Dubas.
 
diceman934 said:
Yes they clearly did.

Asked the question 3 times and not once did either say he was staying they gave a very vague reply.
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No, they clearly didn't. They didn't indicate they know specifically what'll happen either way. Stop reading into things that aren't there. If he leaves, he leaves, but this conference tells us precisely nothing.
 
Daisy Jane said:
Because you can?
Shanahan had time. There were plenty of people to look at, and If he felt that sure that Dubas was the right person, then what he could (and I will argue) should have done, is hear other people's plans. Compare it to Dubas and then decide. What would that have hurt ? A week of hearing other people's plans (hearing from people who view the Leafs from an outside view would never hurt either), and then decide okay i've heard everything, i've heard Dubas now i'm making an informed decision.

I personally believe the best way you find out you have the best is to go through the motions to ensure that is of course the case. The #1 problem with this organization has been entitlement. People just handed things because "it's their time" or "it made sense." So it makes me sad that someone who three years ago preached about taking time, and looking at every avenue into making the team better, couldn't take another week to speak with others to ensure that was the case.

Not to mention if you got someone outside the organization it would be easier to poach scouting and other talent (via promotion) as people tend to bring their own people anyway.

I get everyone wants to be Yah Dubas! and eventually I'll be Yah Dubas! too.
but i would have expected the President of this organization to do everything in his power to get the best person, and I dont think people can argue that we got the best person if he didn't even look further than down the hall.
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If this was the case, Dubas getting promoted would have happened the day Lou was “demoted”.

I think Shanny wanted Dubas and had him as the front runner, but how can you suggest Shanny didn’t do his due diligence and look into more options, leading him to be more reassured in his decision?

It seems like a weird narrative to say Shanny gave Dubas the position because he “promised” him it and “it’s his time”.

Where are you getting this idea that he didn’t “look further than down the hall”?
 


"One of my favourite things to do is find inefficiencies, find players that are undervalued."

I can see why he liked Yanni Gourde and Nate Schmidt. They would look great on the Leafs right now.

This dude does his homework and is innovative.
 
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diceman934 said:
It is sad as Hunter has been our best scout in forever. Without good drafting you have not got a good team. Hence why I was Hunter over Dubas but someone else over both.

I hope we offer him something he can not refuse as he was a great scout of talent.
John Ferguson Jr is a fantastic scout as well and always has been but he will be a GM again Likely. Tampa’s Head scout has been great.
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there's nothing we can offer Hunter that will make him change his mind if he's set on leaving , he has money and he can go back to doing what he loved in London if he doesn't pursue other NHL opportunities

and by the way Shanny avoided answering whether he's leaving it doesn't look like he's staying
 
hotpaws said:
he looked like he was about to **** himself tbh and when he started listing off names he reminded me of Burke who always would loved to throw out names like when he said he asked a NFL GM before he made the Pronger (i think it was) trade

anyway i'd expect most people in his situation to look nervous so no big deal but i didn't hear a confident tone in his voice like you did , not that it really matters
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yea he looked nervous at times, it was his first huge interview in front of the throng of media personnel, i'd give him the benefit of the doubt like you did as well. him listing the names within the organization show his growth in the last 4 years.

it's clear he's developed relationships, but what's more impressive is him mentioning all those names followed by saying that it'll be a total team effort among all those people to get the Leafs to where they want to be. It won't be done by just one guy, a coach, or one scout. Everyone has to continue doing what they've been doing along with adapting to what Dubas' vision is for the Leafs.
 
MattySnipes said:
When listening to the conference you can hear the confidence in Dubas' tone. He also spouted off like 15 names within the organization I've never heard of. It's clear he knows a lot about the entire organization and has forged relationships which will be crucial going forward.
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He read every name off a sheet beside him.
 
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MattySnipes said:
yea he looked nervous at times, it was his first huge interview in front of the throng of media personnel, i'd give him the benefit of the doubt like you did as well. him listing the names within the organization show his growth in the last 4 years.

it's clear he's developed relationships, but what's more impressive is him mentioning all those names followed by saying that it'll be a total team effort among all those people to get the Leafs to where they want to be. It won't be done by just one guy, a coach, or one scout. Everyone has to continue doing what they've been doing along with adapting to what Dubas' vision is for the Leafs.
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I like Dubas interview I thought he did well and had answers to every question except the Hunter one.
 
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hotpaws said:
there's nothing we can offer Hunter that will make him change his mind if he's set on leaving , he has money and he can go back to doing what he loved in London if he doesn't pursue other NHL opportunities

and by the way Shanny avoided answering whether he's leaving it doesn't look like he's staying
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Why would either Dubas or Shanahan answer it directly? They handled it precisely how any organization would. They said Dubas will be sitting with people throughout the organization over the coming days/weeks. That's really all you can say.

I mean, what's the alternative? They say Hunter is staying, and tomorrow, or a week from now another team decides to reach out about a GM position? There's no upside to saying anything definitive on his plans. Until further notice Mark Hunter is a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs organization.
 
FishManSam said:
Ignore me quoting you earlier. I missed this.
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it's okay :)
honestly like i said. I'll own the fact that I wasn't keen on Dubas being the GM. that's not because i wanted an "older" gm, I just wasn't keen on Dubas from what he did when he was interim. I also said (countless times) that if he was the guy - i'd be fine, I just wanted Shanahan to go through the process

he didn't. that makes me upset. (and to be honest this seems to be the one thing he didn't go through everything to ensure this was the right move). but what's done is done. Dubas is GM, I'll support him, (he'll have to earn my trust like any GM would, even if it was my choice), and i'll happily admit i was wrong when Dubas starts proving me wrong.

but in my heart of hearts, I just feel that Shanahan did the organization a slight disservice . Let's just hope that's all it is - slight.
 
Sypher04 said:
Why would either Dubas or Shanahan answer it directly? They handled it precisely how any organization would. They said Dubas will be sitting with people throughout the organization over the coming days/weeks. That's really all you can say.

I mean, what's the alternative? They say Hunter is staying, and tomorrow, or a week from now another team decides to reach out about a GM position? There's no upside to saying anything definitive on his plans. Until further notice Mark Hunter is a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs organization.
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What happens with Hunter probably won't be clear until after the draft. Even if Hunter plans on leaving, I'd expect him to be professional enough to stay with us until the draft barring another team hiring him as a GM.
 
honestly, interviewing other gm's has nothing to do whether you trust your chosen guy or not but has more to do with doing your job.

don't get me wrong-- i want dubas to do well because i want the team to succeed, but shanahan not looking outside the org ain't sitting right with me. and it's fair to voice your concern. just my 2 cts, man.

in one year i might be sitting here and write him a love song or something because he is doing a great job.
 
diceman934 said:
Which to me is a good thing as he did not want to miss out mentioning anyone he wanted to. Makes me think he cares about other people’s feelings and a good sign he is willing to listen to others but seemed confident about making decisions.
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Exactly, it's amazing to constantly see how different people analyze the same situation with a different perspective. Thank you @diceman934
 
Apotheosis said:
Looking forward to this. Analytics for the most part are the way forward, and I think Dubas will be very hard on the idea of signing "workhorses" and look more for skill.
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He is not even that analytical. More so that lou? Yeah probably, he obviously believes in it. But he hasn’t made a pure anylitics decision yet. The marlies have rich cline for crying out loud
 
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