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Walshy7 said:
How do we know hunter outworked dubas?
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Again, do you see the word "feel." I didn't say one worked harder than the other, but, its easy to feel disrespected and passed over in that situation if you think you earned that job. It is fine to move on if you have the financial stability to make such a move, which Hunter does.
 
Liminality said:
I agree they should have seen some outside options but at the same time, Shanahan did do a very thorough search when he was looking for people to bring on when he hired Dubas and Hunter. Two very highly respected hockey people.
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That search has NOTHING to do with this one.
 
93LEAFS said:
Again, do you see the word "feel." I didn't say one worked harder than the other, but, its easy to feel disrespected and passed over in that situation if you think you earned that job. It is fine to move on if you have the financial stability to make such a move, which Hunter does.
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disrespected even though you knew from the start you werent getting the job.

oh boy..
 
killer1980 said:
Hunter will leave. Lou goes to the Isles. Leafs hired the kid for one reason and one reason only, he was with the youngsters in the organization and they hope the kids, including Dubas, will all get along and lead the Leafs to the Cup. That thinking is unfortunately flawed. It is unlikely that Babcock will have any respect for the kid, considering Babcock will be making probably more than twice what the kid makes. The wildcard in the equation is Matthews. other than last year, Matthews has no history with Dubas and if the rumours are true, Matthews don't like Babcock either. The regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs, as the Raptors have proven. The Leafs could sail through the regular season but, they could fold again in the post season. If they do, how long until the media and the fans are calling the kid 'Dumbass'.
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you just said a bunch of things you have absolutely 0% chance of knowing
 
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Notsince67 said:
Question I have got to ask about Lou though...who wanted to trade Reimer and why? In all honesty, I was thinking that throughout the playoffs this year. Reimer had a way better series against Boston with a terrible team.
I think it was Lou. I think it was a mistake.
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Reimer? really? He was never that good.
 
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Nithoniniel said:
Yeah, I was talking about as quality prospects. That doesn't necessarily translate into NHL players, and that doesn't necessarily translate into quality players. But the difference in average quality on picks in that range is there, and it can be huge.
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The thing is unless you capitalize on those players trade value, all that really matters is what they evolve into. Now, if you are drafting busts who gain high value then bust and turning them into NHL assets continually that would have to be factored in. But, I can't think of any team that is continually able to do that. So, at that point, all that really matters is hit points and beating average returns on picks.
 
Liminality said:
I agree they should have seen some outside options but at the same time, Shanahan did do a very thorough search when he was looking for people to bring on when he hired Dubas and Hunter. Two very highly respected hockey people.
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right.
but it's three years later. things change.

like. i'm sorry. i just feel Shanahan didn't do his very best here.
This doesn't mean i don't think Dubas will ultimately be the best choice (I hope he is ).
This doesn't mean I won't support him (I will support him he's the GM, and I still trust Shanahan)

but in good conscience I can't just be "yay! Shanahan!" here. Even if I felt that Dubas was the right choice (I don't but it's moot now), I would have been so confident in that fact I would i have would bet on him vs. anyone else's plan. Knowledge is power. Shanahan ditched that for easy choice 1, and easy choice 2.

I don't think that's right. however, i can not wait for Dubas to hand me my bowl of baked crow with a scoop of humble ice cream - that's always what I want. prove me wrong. that doesn't change the fact that I think Shanahan didn't do his job as President to ensure that he went through every crack and under every stone to provide the Leafs the very best option.
 
93LEAFS said:
Again, do you see the word "feel." I didn't say one worked harder than the other, but, its easy to feel disrespected and passed over in that situation if you think you earned that job. It is fine to move on if you have the financial stability to make such a move, which Hunter does.
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Ok right. I agree with that. It’s also possible he thought he worked harder than dubas but in reality he didn’t and the right man got the job. Then he leaves the leafs feeling disrespected even though he wasn’t best man for the job, that’s also possible.

If he leaves he leaves. Rightly or wrongly if he leaves it sucks but we will move on and finding a head scout will be one of dubas first jobs I guess
 
Rare Jewel said:
Yeah.

Not to toot the "we're the Leafs" thing, but really if he wanted to go a get anyone who isn't already a G.M - Fenton we'll use as an example here, he could've conceivably done it.
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Shanahan pried Lou away from a full career with New Jersey, secured Babcock when everyone thought he was Buffalo-bound, and lured Hunter back to the NHL.

At this point, Shanahan's ability to attract talent is evident. This is a decision 3 years in the making - I think a League-wide search would've only been conducted if Shanahan had seen doubts begin to creep up since initially making that decision. It's pretty obvious that he's as confident now as he was then.
 
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Walshy7 said:
You say you liked about Lou is what he said is true. What has been said that makes you think dubas doesn’t tell the truth?
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read that again walshy.
i never said Dubas doesn't tell the truth

what i said was one thing I like about Lou, which is true - is that time is an asset.
 
Walshy7 said:
Ok right. I agree with that. It’s also possible he thought he worked harder than dubas but in reality he didn’t and the right man got the job. Then he leaves the leafs feeling disrespected even though he wasn’t best man for the job, that’s also possible.

If he leaves he leaves. Rightly or wrongly if he leaves it sucks but we will move on and finding a head scout will be one of dubas first jobs I guess
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The one thing I am hoping for is that Dubas doesn't bring his buddy Wes Clark back (who he thanked in the opening). That type of move would worry me.
 
Notsince67 said:
Question I have got to ask about Lou though...who wanted to trade Reimer and why? In all honesty, I was thinking that throughout the playoffs this year. Reimer had a way better series against Boston with a terrible team.
I think it was Lou. I think it was a mistake.
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Yes Reimer was such a loss, I mean look at all the teams he’s started with since. What a horrible mistake.
 
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IBeL34f said:
Shanahan pried Lou away from a full career with New Jersey, secured Babcock when everyone thought he was Buffalo-bound, and lured Hunter back to the NHL.

At this point, Shanahan's ability to attract talent is evident. This is a decision 3 years in the making - I think a League-wide search would've only been conducted if Shanahan had seen doubts begin to creep up since initially making that decision. It's pretty obvious that he's as confident now as he was then.
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It's nice when a plan comes together.
 
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