Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[diceman934]

simmer down.

Are we not a contender?

And I am not upset so no need to simmer down

 

[Rare Jewel]

Hunter is head of amateur scouting no? So he had nothing to do with zaitsev as he was a pro player.

I wouldn't say nothing, but Faliafito is the specialized guy for the European FAs

 

[DarkKnight]

It would be 2&4 people really. Shanny is 1 and dubas was obviously 3 in the pecking order. If shanny wanted dubas as gm another year or 2 of lou would mean we lose dubas right? And if hunter is quitting because dubas is gm and he wanted the gig he should quit too if lou was rehired no?

Not really. Shanny isn’t involved that much, it was Lou with Mark at his side, Kyle was with the Marlies and really had little input with the big club decisions. I don’t think anyone quits if it was left alone for another year, or two. Who knows maybe Shanny promise Kyle the gig when they blocked Colorado. Anyways my friend, I’ll trust Shanny and Kyle is a good hockey mind.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

All valid points, except what does sparks have to do with any of this you lost me there. Dermott is the only legit pick exceeding expectations right now. Apparently other posters have confirmed we have no interest in hanafin and Provorov was the dman they wanted

The reason I brought Sparks up is because I have said in the past when Sparks AHL numbers are brought up that I don't care about Sparks AHL numbers, so I know when I bring up Grunstrom AHL numbers I will be called a hypocrite.

Thing is 1 guy is almost 25 the other is 20 so I don't consider it the same thing

 

[93LEAFS]

This is a question that I'm quite passionate about, and that's that looking at the average odds is not the way to go. The picks from about 11-60 is where pretty much all the separation between great scouting teams and the awful ones come from. While some teams pick quality prospects on almost every pick in that range and produce a steady stream of quality players, others (like the Leafs pre-Shanahan) barely ever hit in that range.

The ambition should be to have a top end scouting group, and such a group should be able to produce quality prospects in that range consistently.

I think the fact that the average is where it is pulls down the value of second rounders, which a great drafting team could use by outperforming that average by a long shot. 40% is better than average, but teams like Anaheim seem to more or less double that.

Anaheim isn't hitting on 80% of their second rounders. If you hit on 40% of your second rounders you are a top 5 drafting team in the league. Now, Hunter has a very small sample size to go off, and I don't think between 5 2nd rounders you can make any concrete judgments.

They still draft their fair share of Mattinen's, Kerdile's, Marcus Petterson's or Nick Sorenson's. Guys like Nick Ritchie look to be bad value.

 

[Walshy7]

you guys do not understand why shanahan should've interviewed other gms for the job? really?

Do you call it the shannaplan? Everyone calls it that 3 years ago part of the shanaplan was get lou for dubas to learn from before taking over. How do you not see this as inevitable provided dubas performed his duties to shannys criteria.

 

[saltming]

i said all i had to say in regards to that.
i really hope it was the right one. like i said if Dubas got hired I'll be supportive.
all I wanted was Shanahan to do his due diligence. to hear that he didn't really makes me disappointed.

I wished he would have looked around too but this could just be confidence in his original plan and vision.
Would a new GM carry the same vision?
Would we step back while the new vision takes shape?
Dubas is the seamless choice and part of the existing plan

 

[DarkKnight]

Sure, but good organizations lose good people. It just happens.

- If Lou stays as GM, we maybe lose Dubas & Hunter to GM opportunities.
- If Hunter becomes GM, we maybe lose Dubas & Lou to GM opportunities.
- Dubas has become GM, so maybe we'll lose Hunter & Lou to GM opportunities.

Nothing has changed imo except that we put the guy in charge we wanted.

Lou stays we lose no one imho, everyone knew it would only be a year to year thing.

 

[KPower]

Bye bye Hunter...thanks for all the great work.

 

[AllDay28]

i never got in sports the rehashing of bad gms. you were crappy on one team, but get another chance cause experience? would you hire the same plumber who ruined.another home? no? use that logic for sports.

 

[Walshy7]

Not really. Shanny isn’t involved that much, it was Lou with Mark at his side, Kyle was with the Marlies and really had little input with the big club decisions. I don’t think anyone quits if it was left alone for another year, or two. Who knows maybe Shanny promise Kyle the gig when they blocked Colorado. Anyways my friend, I’ll trust Shanny and Kyle is a good hockey mind.

For sure I trust them until they give me a reason not to. But if dubas was just made gm he’d have to be lou then dubas int he order

 

[egd27]

Shanahan already knows what Hunter's reaction will be.

So whether or not Hunter stays or goes, Shanahan has factored that into his decision to give the GM job to Dubas.

And since Shanahan know more about running the Leafs than me, (and almost half of you) I'm fine with the decision.

 

[AllDay28]

Are we not a contender?

And I am not upset so no need to simmer down

no were not. unless first round exits signify contending. the process has begun tho

 

[ShaneFalco]

Not really. Shanny isn’t involved that much, it was Lou with Mark at his side, Kyle was with the Marlies and really had little input with the big club decisions. I don’t think anyone quits if it was left alone for another year, or two. Who knows maybe Shanny promise Kyle the gig when they blocked Colorado. Anyways my friend, I’ll trust Shanny and Kyle is a good hockey mind.

Dubas would have moved on most likely if they kept Lou in place. Lou would have been here what, one or two more years max? Dubus is here for the long-haul

 

[DarkKnight]

In Shanny we trust.

 

[ACC1224]

i never got in sports the rehashing of bad gms. you were crappy on one team, but get another chance cause experience? would you hire the same plumber who ruined.another home? no? use that logic for sports.

Tell that to the Penguins

 

[Sypher04]

Lou stays we lose no one imho, everyone knew it would only be a year to year thing.

I don't think that's the case at all. Dubas had opportunities to be GM a year ago, he would have no doubt had teams inquire again this time around. You either appoint him now as GM, or you have to block him again from leaving imo.

 

[ShaneFalco]

In Shanny we trust.

We'll give him another year or 2 until the pitchforks come out

 

[diceman934]

Shanahan, give Hunter a healthy raise to keep him on board!

It would have to be more than a raise.

 

[Mess]

Dubas would have moved on most likely if they kept Lou in place. Lou would have been here what, one or two more years max? Dubus is here for the long-haul

Dubas is here as long as Shanny is here or as long as Shanny says he is here.

 

[93LEAFS]

I wouldn't say nothing, but Faliafito is the specialized guy for the European FAs

Hunter is also in charge of all-scouting, not just Amateur. He oversees Morrison.

 

[AllDay28]

Tell that to the Penguins

who have the greatest player ever?

 

[Daisy Jane]

but why?

Why interview people if you already know who you want? Who you have seen for the last three years.

Because you can?
Shanahan had time. There were plenty of people to look at, and If he felt that sure that Dubas was the right person, then what he could (and I will argue) should have done, is hear other people's plans. Compare it to Dubas and then decide. What would that have hurt ? A week of hearing other people's plans (hearing from people who view the Leafs from an outside view would never hurt either), and then decide okay i've heard everything, i've heard Dubas now i'm making an informed decision.

I personally believe the best way you find out you have the best is to go through the motions to ensure that is of course the case. The #1 problem with this organization has been entitlement. People just handed things because "it's their time" or "it made sense." So it makes me sad that someone who three years ago preached about taking time, and looking at every avenue into making the team better, couldn't take another week to speak with others to ensure that was the case.

Not to mention if you got someone outside the organization it would be easier to poach scouting and other talent (via promotion) as people tend to bring their own people anyway.

I get everyone wants to be Yah Dubas! and eventually I'll be Yah Dubas! too.
but i would have expected the President of this organization to do everything in his power to get the best person, and I dont think people can argue that we got the best person if he didn't even look further than down the hall.

 

[Northernguy10]

Booo no beards

Only until Dubas is old enough to grow one...

 

[AllDay28]

Dubas is here as long as Shanny is here or as long as Shanny says he is here.

you swing nd miss so much your 300 average looks like a baseball stat. maybe youre following the wrong sport