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[Trapper]

I wished he would have looked around too but this could just be confidence in his original plan and vision.
Would a new GM carry the same vision?
Would we step back while the new vision takes shape?
Dubas is the seamless choice and part of the existing plan

We don't know if he looked around thought and may never.
You don't have to wait until Lou departs to be looking around either. I'm sure Shanahan talks to a lot of people we aren't even aware of. Of the people available outside of our organization, he must have concluded that Dubas was still the best choice. At least Dubas is in the organization. If 2 people regardless of age have the same experience then at least the guy who knows how things have been working internally for the last 3 years would have the edge.

 

[saltming]

Except I could say the same thing about anyone in the organization not being irreplaceable. That applies to everyone from Shanahan down. Just because someone is deemed replaceable doesn't mean, I think that is the option I like.

I also think that quitting if you feel disrespected in your job is a perfectly rational response if you have mobility and financial freedom to do it. It generally happens all the time in high-level positions within all walks of life.

Wasn't hunter hired knowing Dubas was being groomed for the GM job? Didn't Lou say Dubas was the heir apparent?
How is hunter feeling disrespected?

 

[Daisy Jane]

Yeah.

Not to toot the "we're the Leafs" thing, but really if he wanted to go a get anyone who isn't already a G.M - Fenton we'll use as an example here, he could've conceivably done it.

Fenton, Futa, Fletcher, (haha the F's).
BriseBois, Verbeek (probably harder as they are still active)
those are obvious the well known off the top of my head.

I am not gonna lie and say i was team Fenton - but i was more Team Due Process. the one thing I liked from Lou is what he said is true. the one key asset you have is time, and when you get it, why aren't you utalising it. take the time to do everything throughly.

 

[AllDay28]

Because you can?
Shanahan had time. There were plenty of people to look at, and If he felt that sure that Dubas was the right person, then what he could (and I will argue) should have done, is hear other people's plans. Compare it to Dubas and then decide. What would that have hurt ? A week of hearing other people's plans (hearing from people who view the Leafs from an outside view would never hurt either), and then decide okay i've heard everything, i've heard Dubas now i'm making an informed decision.

I personally believe the best way you find out you have the best is to go through the motions to ensure that is of course the case. The #1 problem with this organization has been entitlement. People just handed things because "it's their time" or "it made sense." So it makes me sad that someone who three years ago preached about taking time, and looking at every avenue into making the team better, couldn't take another week to speak with others to ensure that was the case.

Not to mention if you got someone outside the organization it would be easier to poach scouting and other talent (via promotion) as people tend to bring their own people anyway.

I get everyone wants to be Yah Dubas! and eventually I'll be Yah Dubas! too.
but i would have expected the President of this organization to do everything in his power to get the best person, and I dont think people can argue that we got the best person if he didn't even look further than down the hall.

they got the best person

 

[diceman934]

I'd agree for the most part on Hunter, but most of those Euro UFAs Jim Paliafito has his hand in those.

Dirk does a lot of Euro scouting. Dirk is dale derkatch a great scout

 

[saltming]

We don't know if he looked around thought and may never.
You don't have to wait until Lou departs to be looking around either. I'm sure Shanahan talks to a lot of people we aren't even aware of. Of the people available outside of our organization, he must have concluded that Dubas was still the best choice. At least Dubas is in the organization. If 2 people regardless of age have the same experience then at least the guy who knows how things have been working internally for the last 3 years would have the edge.

Also logical.
Unless shanny felt bad for leivo and sat in the press box with him all the time haha

 

[Liminality]

i said all i had to say in regards to that.
i really hope it was the right one. like i said if Dubas got hired I'll be supportive.
all I wanted was Shanahan to do his due diligence. to hear that he didn't really makes me disappointed.

I agree they should have seen some outside options but at the same time, Shanahan did do a very thorough search when he was looking for people to bring on when he hired Dubas and Hunter. Two very highly respected hockey people.

 

[Walshy7]

Wasn't hunter hired knowing Dubas was being groomed for the GM job? Didn't Lou say Dubas was the heir apparent?
How is hunter feeling disrespected?

Lou said the day he was hired if dubas wasn’t gm then it was on dubas. Hunter ignored that and is now disrespected. I think it comes down to a few posters (not 93 leafs) don’t like that dubas is young and he never played the game. That’s why hunter disrespect angle is being used and why some are so vehemently against losing hunter

 

[93LEAFS]

Wasn't hunter hired knowing Dubas was being groomed for the GM job? Didn't Lou say Dubas was the heir apparent?
How is hunter feeling disrespected?

One, I said if he does. But, he didn't get the job and it is clear he wanted it (even stated by Shanahan and that he was disappointed). He was hired right around the same time as Dubas (about 4 months after).

Hunter was hired before Lou and any such statement. Plus, if you work hard enough at your job that you feel you outworked the other candidate (regardless of whether he was viewed as the heir apparent) you can feel your work is underappreciated and disrespected.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I wished he would have looked around too but this could just be confidence in his original plan and vision.
Would a new GM carry the same vision?
Would we step back while the new vision takes shape?
Dubas is the seamless choice and part of the existing plan

that is what interviewing is for.
you can't just assume they won't.

 

[Notsince67]

I would have left Lou in place, as he desired. Everyone in the same role one or two more years. Lou’s a hard ass, I liked the idea of him doing these contracts and I’ve liked his GM moves in totality. This wasn’t a necessary move, so if we lose Lou and Mark, it’s hard for me to see the upside overall. We should be a serious cup contender next year, a couple moves and I believe we are right there. Anyways, I think this move has brought a risk that wasn’t there prior, so I’m not ecstatic Shanny did this, particularly when it’s clear Lou wanted to stay. What up and coming organization essentially “cleans house”, which is what we’ve done if we’ve lost our 1 and 2 people on the depth chart. Forward we go, hope it’s a winner move.

Question I have got to ask about Lou though...who wanted to trade Reimer and why? In all honesty, I was thinking that throughout the playoffs this year. Reimer had a way better series against Boston with a terrible team.
I think it was Lou. I think it was a mistake.

 

[Daisy Jane]

they got the best person

well when you interview only two people, you better damn well hope.

 

[al secord]

They didn't even look for a GM, they made the easy and lazy choice and because of that they are likely to lose Mark Hunter at some point in the near future, who is one of the better scouts in the NHL

You actually believe this. That is the scary part.

 

[Walshy7]

Fenton, Futa, Fletcher, (haha the F's).
BriseBois, Verbeek (probably harder as they are still active)
those are obvious the well known off the top of my head.

I am not gonna lie and say i was team Fenton - but i was more Team Due Process. the one thing I liked from Lou is what he said is true. the one key asset you have is time, and when you get it, why aren't you utalising it. take the time to do everything throughly.

You say you liked about Lou is what he said is true. What has been said that makes you think dubas doesn’t tell the truth?

 

[saltming]

One, I said if he does. But, he didn't get the job and it is clear he wanted it (even stated by Shanahan and that he was disappointed). He was hired right around the same time as Dubas (about 4 months after).

Hunter was hired before Lou and any such statement. Plus, if you work hard enough at your job that you feel you outworked the other candidate (regardless of whether he was viewed as the heir apparent) you can feel your work is underappreciated and disrespected.

Fair.

 

[diceman934]

no were not. unless first round exits signify contending. the process has begun tho

So the Jet who missed the playoffs last year are not a contender or Tampa as well goid to know...

 

[killer1980]

Hunter will leave. Lou goes to the Isles. Leafs hired the kid for one reason and one reason only, he was with the youngsters in the organization and they hope the kids, including Dubas, will all get along and lead the Leafs to the Cup. That thinking is unfortunately flawed. It is unlikely that Babcock will have any respect for the kid, considering Babcock will be making probably more than twice what the kid makes. The wildcard in the equation is Matthews. other than last year, Matthews has no history with Dubas and if the rumours are true, Matthews don't like Babcock either. The regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs, as the Raptors have proven. The Leafs could sail through the regular season but, they could fold again in the post season. If they do, how long until the media and the fans are calling the kid 'Dumbass'.

 

[ACC1224]

who have the greatest player ever?

 

[Walshy7]

One, I said if he does. But, he didn't get the job and it is clear he wanted it (even stated by Shanahan and that he was disappointed). He was hired right around the same time as Dubas (about 4 months after).

Hunter was hired before Lou and any such statement. Plus, if you work hard enough at your job that you feel you outworked the other candidate (regardless of whether he was viewed as the heir apparent) you can feel your work is underappreciated and disrespected.

How do we know hunter outworked dubas?

 

[Nithoniniel]

Anaheim isn't hitting on 80% of their second rounders. If you hit on 40% of your second rounders you are a top 5 drafting team in the league. Now, Hunter has a very small sample size to go off, and I don't think between 5 2nd rounders you can make any concrete judgments.

They still draft their fair share of Mattinen's, Kerdile's, Marcus Petterson's or Nick Sorenson's. Guys like Nick Ritchie look to be bad value.

Yeah, I was talking about as quality prospects. That doesn't necessarily translate into NHL players, and that doesn't necessarily translate into quality players. But the difference in average quality on picks in that range is there, and it can be huge.

 

[Liminality]

We'll give him another year or 2 until the pitchforks come out

You're too kind.
I'd give it till the start of this season if people don't like this off season.

 

[al secord]

I thought it was Dubas as soon as Kypreos said Hunter

Very underrated post.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

they got the best person

That is spoken with unqualified certainty.

 

[saltming]

that is what interviewing is for.
you can't just assume they won't.

Agreed but as @Trapper said, how do we know shanny didn't do this in the time leading up to the end of Lou's contract?

 

[MattySnipes]

but why?

dubas is best gm available.

Shanahan in his time here has done a terrific job in getting the Leafs where they are. He is simply sticking to his original plan, I feel it was always Dubas' job to lose. It was clear he wanted him GM when he brought him on but he obviously wasn't ready at that time, as Dubas has been quoted saying. It was always Shanahan's plan to have Dubas learn from a legend in Lou and use that experience and valuable lessons learned in developing the team going forward. Shanahan feels Dubas is the right guy for the job. That is all that matters.

When listening to the conference you can hear the confidence in Dubas' tone. He also spouted off like 15 names within the organization I've never heard of. It's clear he knows a lot about the entire organization and has forged relationships which will be crucial going forward. Dubas admitted that he wants to keep everyone on board that has got the Leafs thus far and has no intention of letting anyone go (Hunter, Babcock, etc). He said he will be running interviews, talking to everyone within to see their vision and what they have to contribute to the Leafs in bringing a SC to Toronto, which has always been the main goal.

I guess some fans just wanted Shanahan to make sure he was 100% confident in promoting Dubas, which all fans should want for anyone within the organization. Some fans felt that Shanahan should have done extensive interviews with potential GM candidates outside the team to make sure he wasn't leaving anyone out, like Predators AGM Fenton and some other potential candidates.

Maybe Shanahan felt other candidates' vision wouldn't be a match here, or a number of other reasons. It was never confirmed that he never looked outside the organization. All he said was he did evaluate all options and felt going in-house was the best solution for the Leafs going forward, can't say I disagree.