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Well, except we know JFj could not do what he wanted to do ... tear it up and rebuild.

There have been several GM's with the Leafs who had to go to the owner to get approval ... like when they wouldn't let them sign Gretzky.

Agreed ownership that holds the purse strings and on the hook finacially does have the ultimate say over the GM they hired to run their business and the direction they want to take it.

That is the same for all GMs that report to a BOD and need financial approval on major transactions that impact the bottom line.

In Leafs chain of command everything flows through Shanahan as the defacto GM answering to ownership and then directing those below him as desired and needed as that is what they mean when they say "everyone is following the Shanaplan". :)

In a normal structure its usually .. Ownership ---> President/GM --- Coach -- Scouting etc and linear and top down with the person higher up the chain of command able to manage all those below him.

In Leafs structure its more like;

Ownership (Bell/Rogers) ----> President (Shanahan)
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Shanahan ----> GM (Dubas)
Shanahan ----> Coach (Babcock)
Shanahan ----> Scouting (Hunter)
 
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I would guess Hunter has complete authority on scouting to do what is best for the Leafs based on the team's agenda/strategy. I would think the GM has a huge influence on that agenda / strategy.

Really? Maybe you are right. In that case thank f*** hunter isn’t gm is all I can say. Dubas has 2 or 3 autonomous departments he is in charge of and hunter has nothing where he is final say. I think the strategy would be hunter sits down and tells Lou (now Dubas) right here is where we are weak in the pool (ie giant dmen) and if within range I won’t to target that type in players after x round. Gm says yes or no but the strategy imo comes from hunter
 
It's funny, nobody can predict how well things will go in Dubas' coming tenure, but I have a strange calmness about his promotion. I honestly think a lot of the issues people have are in their own heads, and not real issues that Dubas will encounter.

I've seen people point to the Kessel trade as him getting taken to the cleaners by a wily vet, but I never saw it that way. His hands were tied rather tightly with Kessel's contract, and getting actual value in Kapanen and the 1st round pick that eventually turned into Freddy, while being able to get out of a situation where the team is rebuilding and has Kessel on it - which would be terrible for all involved, and might have lead to us missing out on 34 - is still a net win in my books.

From everything I've read and heard about Dubs, he has identified players that turned out to become very valuable on their teams, and he takes all data (advanced stats, eye test, etc.) seriously. He honestly seems very well-rounded in terms of his managing approach, and I think is exactly the person we want driving the bus going forward.

He still has Hunter to lead the scouting department (I don't think he's going anywhere), and Pridham to help manage the cap, as well as Shanny for support. As much as the media wants me to question the idea that Dubas is ready, I feel very comfortable with him as the GM.
 
i don't really care. i can't judge him for anything he hasn't done yet, so let's see how he will do the next few months/years, e.g. negotiating nylander's contract, signing a new center/defenseman blah blah and how he is seeing this team going forward.
 
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The smoke is coming from them reading hf boards
Sports media should be reading hf to get a pulse on what fans are talking about and thinking as that's a good way to sell. They can design articles targeted and what we are debating

Literally. This was so clearly the right move, and has been the plan for 4(?) years now. Why anyone in the media would think differently is due to age and inexperience.. or they've been reading the contrarion posts on HFboards..

If Hunter wants to take his ball and go home (even though we all knew this was gonna happen, so he must have too), so be it. He's not that guy though; he's a scout through and through.

Serious questions: What other NHL team would let him still own a franchise and work tirelessly for them as well, while being paid (assuming) handsomely? How could he scout for both the Leafs, the Knights (which is his best quality) and also run the daily GM duties?
 
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Good but...god damn it I dont want to lose Hunter. Why would he leave?
To be a GM somewhere else, quite obvious lol. But is there really proof that Hunter> Dubas in drafting? I don't think so.
 
Guys the account has 200 followers relax lol I could've made a new account every day predicting Dubas would be hired today and I'd eventually be right, just like there's gonna be 1 non-source eventually right

Meh the account has 0 reputation and said he'd be hired today yesterday, when I feel if there was a press conference planned for 12:30 today probably already planned a couple days ago the source would've known that info.

Yeah you could be right. Very possible it’s a lucky guess on timing. I don’t follow that account. I scoffed at it yeasterday when it was posted but they got it relatively close. Nothing hinting at it from McKenzie, Friedman or the like.

And nothing from kypreos who must know because he knows how matthews and babcock feel about each other from body language :sarcasm:
 
Literally. This was so clearly the right move, and has been the plan for 4(?) years now. Why anyone in the media think differently is due to age and inexperience.

If Hunter wants to take his ball and go home (even though we all knew this was gonna happen, so he must have too), so be it. He's not that guy though; he's a scout through and through.

Serious questions: What other NHL team would let him still own a franchise and work tirelessly for them as well, while being paid (assuming) handsomely? How could he scout for both the Leafs, the Knights (which is his best quality) and also run the daily GM duties?
Vegas does the exact same thing with Kelly McCrimmon.
 


Food for thought regarding Hunter. Personally would be sad to see him go but another draft out of him would be a positive at least?


I’d like a head scout who shares Dubas’ vision for players. I’d like that to be Hunter, and ideally he stays, but if the two can’t see eye to eye it would be for the best that Hunter to move on.
 
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I literally couldn't care less about whether you're right or not. Maybe he is here, maybe he isn't, but honestly someone else should take the deal since limiting yourself to Hunter being gone just before season starts is actually good odds for me. If anything I'd see it more as replacing a mid season firing.

Just please stop wasting everyone's time with your constant sarcastic irrelevant posts and add to the discussion instead.

When you've got the worse odds you want a higher payout ;)
not so confident in your previous statement anymore , lol

and why is me speculating as to whether Hunter stays or leaves and who may replace him sarcastic/irrelevant especially since you're the one who brought the topic up ?
 
Literally. This was so clearly the right move, and has been the plan for 4(?) years now. Why anyone in the media would think differently is due to age and inexperience.. or they've been reading the contrarion posts on HFboards..

If Hunter wants to take his ball and go home (even though we all knew this was gonna happen, so he must have too), so be it. He's not that guy though; he's a scout through and through.

Serious questions: What other NHL team would let him still own a franchise and work tirelessly for them as well, while being paid (assuming) handsomely? How could he scout for both the Leafs, the Knights (which is his best quality) and also run the daily GM duties?
Great point about still owning the knights.
I guess his brother could assume the full duties and he becomes the silent owner? But it doesn't seem feasible that he could be active in both.
 
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Agreed ownership that holds the purse strings and on the hook finacially does have the ultimate say over the GM they hired to run their business and the direction they want to take it.

That is the same for all GMs that report to a BOD and need financial approval on major transactions that impact the bottom line.

In Leafs chain of command everything flows through Shanahan as the defacto GM answering to ownership and then directing those below him as desired and needed as that is what they mean when they say "everyone is following the Shannaplan". :)

I would even think Shanahan would need approval to make a costly fire (Babcock etc.) or trade a Mathews like player. He would probably get it but even he doesn't have a complete free reign.
 
I would even think Shanahan would need approval to make a costly fire (Babcock etc.) or trade a Mathews like player. He would probably get it but even he doesn't have a complete free reign.
Any dispute with Babcock would go to the MLSE board. At least at this point.
 
To me the Leafs couldn't go wrong with either Dubas or Hunter. Both smart individuals and the proof is in what we have in our lineup. If you really think of it, the only Lou move that was made that benefited our team were the Andersen, Phaneuf and Kessel trades and Marleau and Hainsey signings in FA. Every other player on the team was already here or drafted by Dubas and Hunter. To me Dubas or Hunter could have made all those trades and signings nothing special about them or difficult.

Where I do have some concerns is in the relationship department with other GMs and the respect factor. Lou would never get creamed in a trade because other GMs knew he wouldn't allow it. I'm concerned that Dubas may not have the savvy and stripes to conduct trade talks without making mistakes. Time will tell I guess. We will see.
 
I’d like a head scout who shares Dubas’ vision for players. I’d like that to be Hunter, and ideally he stays, but if the two can’t see eye to eye it would be for the best that Hunter to move on.

Totally agree. We’ve seen nothing to suggest they don’t see eye to eye yet (nor would we I guess) but even if hunter got the gm job we’d need a new scout anyway, so hopefully he stays but if not we’d need one so I hope they have feelers our for a top scout to take over
 
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not so confident in your previous statement anymore , lol

and why is me speculating as to whether Hunter stays or leaves and who may replace him sarcastic/irrelevant especially since you're the one who brought the topic up ?
Lol even if I thought it was 80% chance he stays I still wouldn't, don't care to make a bet risking the 20% scenario

But was talking about some of your other posts in the thread, HF is just more enjoyable actually discussing over trying to win the wit game
 
well first off pretty much all GM's when making firings buyouts etc. have to go to the president or board for approval usually, so yes I think Dubas will be allowed to do any of what you just mentioned just like the other 30 GM's in the league.

its funny you use JFJ as an example of a GM with full autonomy considering he went to the board with a rebuild plan and they said no.

Polie, one of the top GMs in the leaguenjad to get the Preds ownership approval for the Weber offersheet match, AND for the Subban trade. The idea that it’s only suddenly a Dubas under these restrictions doesn’t hold up to scrutiny
 
To me the Leafs couldn't go wrong with either Dubas or Hunter.
That was my position too. Hunter had the better resume, but I knew more about Dubas and really liked his vision, and always thought he came across as noticeably intelligent. I do hope Hunter stays around a bit though, I'd like to give him more of a chance to show that scouting magic. Especially since I wouldn't be surprised if Lou had more of a hand in that these last few years than normally assumed. Hunters first draft was very different from the ones since.
 
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