Proposal: Draisaitl to Ottawa (to be with Stutzle)

[YP44]

Would love to see the OP but never will happen

 

[Adele Dazeem]

We're also not rebuilding, don't want to, and have no intention to anytime soon, so eff picks.

It would be Ottawa's pick...( you know a high pick, so a prospect could most likely step in year 1 or 2)

Anyway who cares, I've stopped caring about this thread - there was no constructive discussion with the Oilers maniacs on here.
It was quick dismissal and nothing more.

 

[Zach716]

Ottawa fans saying no, what??

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It would be Ottawa's pick...( you know a high pick, so a prospect could most likely step in year 1 or 2)

Anyway who cares, I've stopped caring about this thread - there was no constructive discussion with the Oilers maniacs on here.
It was quick dismissal and nothing more.

We've got McDavid under contract for five more years, throwing away any one of those years to downgrade, pick up a guy we don't need, and get a prospect that can step in 2 years from now is pointless.

Sens fans have made dozens of proposals over the years for Drasiaitl and it never seems to clue in that Edmonton has less than zero interest in trading him and you'd have to pry him from our cold dead hands. We don't want constructive discussion, we want the proposals to stop.

 

[voxel]

Yeah waste McDavid's prime with more picks and prospects.

Hey, why isn't Brady signed yet?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Yeah waste McDavid's prime with more picks and prospects.

Hey, why isn't Brady signed yet?

because he wants Draisaitl money for Brayden Schenn production

 

[strattonius]

I haven't seen a top 5 forward (or D for that matter) traded in my entire lifetime. Why do people bother with this stuff?

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

It would be Ottawa's pick...( you know a high pick, so a prospect could most likely step in year 1 or 2)

Anyway who cares, I've stopped caring about this thread - there was no constructive discussion with the Oilers maniacs on here.
It was quick dismissal and nothing more.

Maybe you want a proposal that helps both sides instead of prefacing it by saying "to be with Stutzle"??

I mean, how does it sound to you when we make a proposal that Stutzle wants to be traded to Edmonton so he can play with Draisaitl? I'm sure it sounds great when we suggest the Sens need to DIVERSIFY.

Since you don't follow the Oilers I doubt you'd bother looking up what their needs are to justify a fair trade.

As the saying goes..

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I haven't seen a top 5 forward (or D for that matter) traded in my entire lifetime. Why do people bother with this stuff?

For real. The only one I can think of in the past decade is Karlsson, who was a upcoming UFA and very likely not to be resigning.

Ted Lindsay winning player with term? Hasn't happened in the salary cap era, probably hasn't happened before that either but I'm not going to go individually check.

There is literally no point in making proposals for Draisaitl/Kucherov/McDavid caliber players.

 

[onetweasy]

It's true. The difference between Drai and Tkachuk isn't big enough to merit Norris and a 1st as an add. And I know how good he is.

It’s kind of cool that players post on this site.

Good luck with your contract.

 

[KevinRedkey]

As a fan of both teeams, I think this is as close to the best offer they would get IF (and its a huge IF), Drai was on the trade block for whatever reason. Not many players have gone for this big of a package in the last 20 years.

Seeing as he is not (on the block), Edmonton doesn't even remotely consider this IMO.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

As a fan of both teeams, I think this is as close to the best offer they would get IF (and its a huge IF), Drai was on the trade block for whatever reason. Not many players have gone for this big of a package in the last 20 years.

Seeing as he is not (on the block), Edmonton doesn't even remotely consider this IMO.

You can't be serious... I'm sure there would be plenty of teams that could match an unsigned RFA WINGER wanting similar money, a 1st and a 2/3C who also needs a new contract after this year for a 25 year old, 100 point C making 8.5 for the next 4 years.

This trade makes the Oilers worse now and doesn't help at all when it comes to their cap situation in upcoming years.

 

[KevinRedkey]

You can't be serious... I'm sure there would be plenty of teams that could match an unsigned RFA WINGER wanting similar money, a 1st and a 2/3C who also needs a new contract after this year for a 25 year old, 100 point C making 8.5 for the next 4 years.

This trade makes the Oilers worse now and doesn't help at all when it comes to their cap situation in upcoming years.

You're so sure? Then go ahead and name the teams and players.

You're also delusional if you think Norris is a 2/3C

 

[bucks_oil]

As a fan of both teams, I think this is as close to the best offer they would get IF (and its a huge IF), Drai was on the trade block for whatever reason. Not many players have gone for this big of a package in the last 20 years.

Seeing as he is not (on the block), Edmonton doesn't even remotely consider this IMO.

What?

You think that an MVP/#1C on nearly any team in the league, with an $8.5M contract, with term.... you think that guy only fetches:

• An unsigned RFA winger who has proven he can score at a 50 point rate and wants >$7M
• A rookie center, mid-late 1st rounder who has proven he can score at a 50 point rate
• And a non-top-5 1st (most likely if you have Drai)

That's the best the Oilers could do?

As you rightly pointed out, no player like Draisaitl has been traded in 20 years, so there is no going rate. But I feel pretty confident the majority of teams would beat that offer.

But just to make an analogy for you... That would be like us trading rookie Eberle (recent 21st, 43 points in 69 rookie year games), Gagner (recent 5th who had 3 40+ point, incl two 50 point pace seasons to start his career and was our #1C) and a 1st and expecting Malkin in return. I'm not saying Tkachuk and Norris top out as poorly as Gags and Ebs, but the point is that the profiles at that point in their careers are similar and there was no way Edmonton would have expected a player like Malkin.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

You're so sure? Then go ahead and name the teams and players.

You're also delusional if you think Norris is a 2/3C

What is Norris right now? What will Norris be on the Oilers? Is he going to be a 1C?!?

 

[bucks_oil]

You're so sure? Then go ahead and name the teams and players.

You're also delusional if you think Norris is a 2/3C

Shall we make a "would you beat this offer" poll?

 

[KevinRedkey]

What?

You think that an MVP/#1C on nearly any team in the league, with an $8.5M contract, with term.... you think that guy only fetches:

• An RFA aged winger who has proven he can score at a 50 point rate
• A rookie center, mid-late 1st rounder who has proven he can score at a 50 point rate
• And a non-top-5 1st (most likely if you have Drai)

That's the best the Oilers could do?

As you rightly pointed out, no player like Draisaitl has been traded in 20 years, so there is no going rate. But I feel pretty confident the majority of teams would beat that offer.

But just to make an analogy for you... That would be like us trading rookie Eberle (recent 21st, 43 points in 69 rookie year games), Gagner (recent 5th who had 3 40+ point, incl two 50 point pace seasons to start his career and was our #1C) and a 1st and expecting Malkin in return. I'm not saying Tkachuk and Norris top out as poorly as Gags and Ebs, but the point is that the profiles at that point in their careers are similar and there was no way Edmonton would have expected a player like Malkin.

Again... find me a better offer. You seem to think GMs are lining up to trade their top guys. They aren't... even for Drai. And one massive difference in reality vs this scenario is Drai being shopped.

Gretzky:
Traded from Edmonton Oilers with Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley to Los Angeles Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, round 1 pick in the 1989 draft (Jason Miller), round 1 pick in the 1991 draft (Martin Rucinsky), round 1 pick in the 1993 draft (Nick Stajduhar) and cash

Lindros:
Traded from Quebec Nordiques to Philadelphia Flyers for Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft and cash

Hossa:
Traded from Atlanta Thrashers with Pascal Dupuis to Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and round 1 pick in the 2008 draft (Daultan Leveille)

Jimmy Casron, a 4th overall pick, and Angelo Esposito were the basis for each of these three trades. Tkachuk is directly in line with those assets as a base.

 

[KevinRedkey]

What is Norris right now? What will Norris be on the Oilers? Is he going to be a 1C?!?

He's a 1C/2C
He would be 2C on the Oilers and any team that has a 'legit' 1C

 

[KevinRedkey]

Shall we make a "would you beat this offer" poll?

People will just say yes without even mentioning what they are offering

 

[ElPrimeTime]

People will just say yes without even mentioning what they are offering

Go look at what people are offering for Eichel and add to that.

 

[bucks_oil]

Again... find me a better offer. You seem to think GMs are lining up to trade their top guys. They aren't... even for Drai. And one massive difference in reality vs this scenario is Drai being shopped.

Gretzky:
Traded from Edmonton Oilers with Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley to Los Angeles Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, round 1 pick in the 1989 draft (Jason Miller), round 1 pick in the 1991 draft (Martin Rucinsky), round 1 pick in the 1993 draft (Nick Stajduhar) and cash

Lindros:
Traded from Quebec Nordiques to Philadelphia Flyers for Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft and cash

Hossa:
Traded from Atlanta Thrashers with Pascal Dupuis to Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and round 1 pick in the 2008 draft (Daultan Leveille)

Jimmy Casron, a 4th overall pick, and Angelo Esposito were the basis for each of these three trades. Tkachuk is directly in line with those assets as a base.

Again what are you even saying with the bolded ?

Carson was not the basis for the Gretzky trade... it was the equivalent of FIVE 1st round picks and it was still too little.

A 4th overall was not the basis for the Lindros trade it was: THREE SOLID NHLers, THREE 1st Round equivalents, plus Simon and Huffman. Hextall was a legit #1 goalie, Ricci was considered one of the best checking centers in the league, Duchesne was at worst a #2 Dman... Simon was a young enforcer who'd just scored 16 goals... Forsberg was the best prospect not named Lindros according to THN and two first rounders on top if it.

I'm not going to comment on Hossa at all... that trade was as a RENTAL!!! He was a UFA and signed that summer with Detroit.

C'mon man...

 

[CycloneSweep]

Again... find me a better offer. You seem to think GMs are lining up to trade their top guys. They aren't... even for Drai. And one massive difference in reality vs this scenario is Drai being shopped.

Gretzky:
Traded from Edmonton Oilers with Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley to Los Angeles Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, round 1 pick in the 1989 draft (Jason Miller), round 1 pick in the 1991 draft (Martin Rucinsky), round 1 pick in the 1993 draft (Nick Stajduhar) and cash

Lindros:
Traded from Quebec Nordiques to Philadelphia Flyers for Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft and cash

Hossa:
Traded from Atlanta Thrashers with Pascal Dupuis to Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and round 1 pick in the 2008 draft (Daultan Leveille)

Jimmy Casron, a 4th overall pick, and Angelo Esposito were the basis for each of these three trades. Tkachuk is directly in line with those assets as a base.

Gretzky trade the big thing there was cash. That was the big asset. Second was pre cap era. And Draisaitl is better than Hosea ever was, the f***.

 

[bucks_oil]

People will just say yes without even mentioning what they are offering

No let's do it.

We'll set the parameters, Oiler fans can judge. If Sens fans disagree that the value is greater, neutral fans can arbitrate. We can quit when we get to 10 offers that are better.

 

[D4ngleSZN]

Lol there is no combination of players or picks that's I'd trade Drai for from Ottawa.

We are not rebuilding.

If you get Connor Bedard then we can talk.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Go look at what people are offering for Eichel and add to that.

First result I fund was this

Laine for Jack?

I would say the Sens 'offer' is significantly better.

Also... weak reply bud. You're the one contesting what I said. It's your job to prove me wrong - not mine to dig through pages and pages to find what you're talking about.