Proposal: Draisaitl to Ottawa (to be with Stutzle)

[ricky0034]

It's true. The difference between Drai and Tkachuk isn't big enough to merit Norris and a 1st as an add. And I know how good he is.

if you pace Draisaitl's season last year out to 82 games then that would literally only be 2 less points than Tkachuk has put up in all 198 games of his career so far combined(and he put up an even higher pace two years ago than he did last year)

or lets compare them by draft year

last year was Tkachuk's D+3 year, he was 93rd in the league in points

in Draisaitl's D+3 he was 8th(and then was also 7th in the Playoffs in points despite playing only 2 rounds)

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Let's just put it this way Oilers fans. You guys will make the Playoffs, I'm sure of that.
BUT. What happens when you lose in the 1st round? 2nd round? WCF?
This year, next year. Are you going to rinse and repeat with McDrai? I would bet no is the answer to that question.
You're going to flip the lesser (Drai) to DIVERSIFY. That's the premise of this proposal, nothing else.

We don't need to diversify. That's the point.

We don't need to downgrade Draisaitl to Norris to pick up Tkachuk and futures. We just signed Hyman longterm to play that role here. We traded to get Foegele for more meat and potatoes on the wing. We signed RNH to an 8 year deal who can play both C and LW.

There's no deal with Ottawa that sees Edmonton getting better, because Tkachuk is going to make at least as much as Drai is. We'll worry about losing him when we get to that point, and even if we do have to trade him down the road, we'll still get a king's ransom for him. Absolutely no sense in trading Drai for lesser bits and pieces right now.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

We don't need to diversify. That's the point.

We don't need to downgrade Draisaitl to Norris to pick up Tkachuk and futures. We just signed Hyman longterm to play that role here. We traded to get Foegele for more meat and potatoes on the wing. We signed RNH to an 8 year deal who can play both C and LW.

There's no deal with Ottawa that sees Edmonton getting better, because Tkachuk is going to make at least as much as Drai is. We'll worry about losing him when we get to that point, and even if we do have to trade him down the road, we'll still get a king's ransom for him. Absolutely no sense in trading Drai for lesser bits and pieces right now.

I don't think they trade him now, maybe not even next season. But the longer you wait, the less years he has left on contract; the less his value is. Also, the pieces offered aren't spare parts. They are Ottawa's 3/5 most important pieces. 2022 pick is most likely a top-5/10 pick; Tkachuk is being overrated in Ottawa, but now underrated on here (he's not just a 2nd line winger who hits- he is 22 and growing); Norris isn't just a 2C prospect (he has all the makings of a 1c- again he's 22). This move would be a 'retool' for the Oilers instead of dismantling the eventual failure of McDrai of winning them a Cup.

 

[Sensinitis]

Something about your profile makes me question your objectivity about this deal...

Drai would be the most talented player in Sens franchise history. Don't start with me about Healtey putting up big numbers in 05-06 when there were 20 powerplays a game.

I love Drai, don’t get me wrong, but prime Karlsson would still hold that title

 

[Gavin Ray]

if you pace Draisaitl's season last year out to 82 games then that would literally only be 2 less points than Tkachuk has put up in all 198 games of his career so far combined(and he put up an even higher pace two years ago than he did last year)

or lets compare them by draft year

last year was Tkachuk's D+3 year, he was 93rd in the league in points

in Draisaitl's D+3 he was 8th(and then was also 7th in the Playoffs in points despite playing only 2 rounds)

That was Draisaitl's D+4 year. In his D+3 year he put up 51 points in 77 games which is actually identical to Tkachuk's numbers this year, which were team leading btw. I don't think Brady becomes a point per game winger but I can see him reaching 70 points. If he played with McDavid you have to think he would be scoring like crazy. I think the synergistic effect of McDavid and Draisaitl playing together is lost on a lot of people. I don't think Leon would put nearly as many points up on Ottawa as he does on Edmonton. Now add Norris who is amazing defensively, an excellent goal scorer, and played against opposing 1Cs as a rookie and a 1st round pick. Overall I think its a fair trade for both teams but I dont think either team would do it.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I couldn't care less for both these teams, but I prefer Tkachuk, Norris and a top 5 to 10 pic in a deep draft over Drai.

Tkachuk has the intangibles and Norris will be a solid #2 which is fine because Oilers have THE #1C and that pick can very well turn out to be very solid as well.

I'd rather build with these 3 pieces than Drai alone even if he's a fantastic player on a good contract. His next contract though... yikes!

 

[The Moose is Loose]

That was Draisaitl's D+4 year. In his D+3 year he put up 51 points in 77 games which is actually identical to Tkachuk's numbers this year, which were team leading btw. I don't think Brady becomes a point per game winger but I can see him reaching 70 points. If he played with McDavid you have to think he would be scoring like crazy. I think the synergistic effect of McDavid and Draisaitl playing together is lost on a lot of people. I don't think Leon would put nearly as many points up on Ottawa as he does on Edmonton. Now add Norris who is amazing defensively, an excellent goal scorer, and played against opposing 1Cs as a rookie and a 1st round pick. Overall I think its a fair trade for both teams but I dont think either team would do it.

No you're wrong. His D+3 year he scored 77 points and which was 8th in the entire NHL in points, while also scoring 16 points in 13 playoff games centering his own line with bottom 6 wingers. Another example of Draisaitl producing elite point totals away from McDavid. You could just try googling it since you obviously know nothing about his career and are just randomly guessing.

This is not even close to a fair trade for both teams. Its awful for Edmonton and the steal of the century for Ottawa.

 

[Akrapovince]

Ottawa can only offer futures for a team that is trying to get better. Doesn’t really make sense.

How are you going to upgrade from Draisatl?

The only option to help the Oilers would be something like Brady Tkachuk after he signs his deal + Chabot both at 50% retained for next thousand years. And I don’t think that makes much sense.

For fun though, let’s go for it. Would Oilers even accept that? Let’s say Tkachuk signs 8 x 8 and we just so happen to want to trade him after signing long term and cheapnyk wants to retain.

Tkachuk 4m x 8
Chabot 4m x 7

Not sure if they even take that, and I sure as hell wouldn’t offer.

Draisatl becomes a 16.5m player for us, but not exactly bad if he continues his 100+ campaigns.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No you're wrong. His D+3 year he scored 77 points and which was 8th in the entire NHL in points, while also scoring 16 points in 13 playoff games centering his own line with bottom 6 wingers. Another example of Draisaitl producing elite point totals away from McDavid. You could just try googling it since you obviously know nothing about his career and are just randomly guessing.

This is not even close to a fair trade for both teams. Its awful for Edmonton and the steal of the century for Ottawa.

Hurts Ottawa, they just got weaker depth wise.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Hurts Ottawa, they just got weaker depth wise.

They lose Tkachuk and upgrade Norris who is a 2C to a top 3 player in the league.

That hurts them how exactly

 

[King1s]

It's true. The difference between Drai and Tkachuk isn't big enough to merit Norris and a 1st as an add. And I know how good he is.

Wait, is the Tkachuk the guy with career high of 45 points or some other player?

 

[King1s]

Your squad lacks depth because you have two top players making a lot (who play in the same position). You need to diversify.

Gee. Thanks for telling us what we need to do. I guess now we have to accept your more than generous offer of 45pt winger and spare parts.

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[Corky]

Drai is wonderful, no question but you do have to wonder if he would be the NHL 2nd best scorer if he was not playing on a line with McDavid. How many points does he get just by letting McDavid do his thing.

The comparison with trading prime Gretzky is absolutely wrong in that sense. Trading prime Gretzky would be like trading McDavid, not Drai.

Drai, I think is an 80 pts player outside of Edmonton, which makes the offer in the OP not that crazy.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

Oilers fan: We need to upgrade on the weaker areas of the roster, goalie and defence.
OP: Nah, they need to trade out the 2nd best player to DIVERSIFY!

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Drai is wonderful, no question but you do have to wonder if he would be the NHL 2nd best scorer if he was not playing on a line with McDavid. How many points does he get just by letting McDavid do his thing.

The comparison with trading prime Gretzky is absolutely wrong in that sense. Trading prime Gretzky would be like trading McDavid, not Drai.

Drai, I think is an 80 pts player outside of Edmonton, which makes the offer in the OP not that crazy.

I love seeing Habs fan with the fake "Oiler fan" profile pic

What a laughable opinion. If you moved Draisaitl out of Edmonton into a quality top 6 with good players like Kucherov/Matthews/Mackinnon etc get to enjoy, he's going to go from being on a 125 point pace to a 80 point pace? Yeah okay.

If you actually tried watching him you'd know he contributes as much to McDavid's success as McDavid does to his.

 

[Chayos]

I love Drai, don’t get me wrong, but prime Karlsson would still hold that title

Let’s look back on this on about 3 years when the oilers will have to seriously look at moving Drai if he is going to cost to much. Mcdavid is the year after, so this is the only point where getting Drai might happen, but it will still cost a lot.

 

[SensFactor]

I love Drai and he was definitely a Sens killer last year. Saying that, Sens need to keep the core together and Norris/Tkachuk are definitely part of the young core. Drai is also a UFA in 4 years and we are not competing for a cup anytime soon. Hence I don't do this deal if I'm Ottawa. Sens are looking to sign Brady for at least 7 years and same will be for Norris when he's a RFA next year.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

There is no deal that makes sense when it comes to trading Leon Draisaitl. Unless it's Nathan Mackinno or Barkov.

 

[Oilslick941611]

That's okay. It's an overpay. Keep him.

happily

 

[Dirby Kach]

This is close to fair if you add Brannstrom or put Chabot in instead of Norris lol

 

[McVespa99]

Ottawa offers: Tkachuk + Norris + 1st round pick in 2022(no protection)

Dont think so thanks.
If you really want to see Drai and Stutzle together feel free to trade Stutzle to the Oilers because I would like to see it too

 

[Connor McConnor]

That's why I never propose deals like this. People overvalue the truly elite players. They never go for as much as fans expect, and people have a hard time evaluating quantity for quality deals.

This man talks about people overvaluing elite players and thinks a 60 point winger who will be making over 8m a year and futures is worth a top 5 player in the NHL signed at one of the best contracts and is 25

 

[vancityluongo]

In a hypothetical world where Draisaitl was disgruntled and wanted out and the Oilers didn't just blow their load on Zach Hyman long-term, this would make sense. Tkachuk would be a great McDavid linemate, Norris is already an elite matchup center and would be perfect on their second line with RNH as a replacement, and the unprotected first is a high level piece to add a scoring winger/defenseman.

It's not that the proposed value is all that off; the fit just doesn't make sense, especially considering contracts.

 

[D4ngleSZN]

I don't think they trade him now, maybe not even next season. But the longer you wait, the less years he has left on contract; the less his value is. Also, the pieces offered aren't spare parts. They are Ottawa's 3/5 most important pieces. 2022 pick is most likely a top-5/10 pick; Tkachuk is being overrated in Ottawa, but now underrated on here (he's not just a 2nd line winger who hits- he is 22 and growing); Norris isn't just a 2C prospect (he has all the makings of a 1c- again he's 22). This move would be a 'retool' for the Oilers instead of dismantling the eventual failure of McDrai of winning them a Cup.

they are spare parts lol

 

[D4ngleSZN]

In a hypothetical world where Draisaitl was disgruntled and wanted out and the Oilers didn't just blow their load on Zach Hyman long-term, this would make sense. Tkachuk would be a great McDavid linemate, Norris is already an elite matchup center and would be perfect on their second line with RNH as a replacement, and the unprotected first is a high level piece to add a scoring winger/defenseman.

It's not that the proposed value is all that off; the fit just doesn't make sense, especially considering contracts.

value is way off. Drai scores more than them both combined