4 years is not long term and I think you know that.
6-8 years would be considered long-term.
Proposal: Draisaitl to Ottawa (to be with Stutzle)
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4 years is not long term and I think you know that.
6-8 years would be considered long-term.
The Moose is Loose
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4 years from now the only players under contract on the Senators will be Chabot/Batherson. Thats it.
Teams don't trade someone who just signed a 7/8 year deal. That'd be a terrible look for their franchise.
When it comes to trading players- 4 years is 100% considered long term.
Theres really no argument here or can be chalked up to difference of opinions. If you think a GM is going to complain on there term left on Draisaitl's contract- you're wrong. Flat out.
M Ace
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It wont get you Drai but to think RNH is worth that much then you don't follow hockey enough.
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Still closer than that absolute awful offer for Drai.
I'd do Nuge + Yamamoto + 1st for Brady + Norris
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bucks_oil
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C'mon dude... 4 years is certainly "a contract with term". Long enough to buy a house, marry up, have a kid, get settled in a community, make long term friendships, etc, etc, etc.... any GM acquiring a guy with 4 years left is not thinking about the risk of losing that player. It's on the organization to make sure he gets and stays happy during that time.
Trade deadline deals are rentals because there is no time for the player to even move his family if he has one... and he's months away from choosing to live anywhere.
Even guys with 1 year contracts are usually valued not that far off of peak trade value, because there's a full year to get them settled in the org/town. There is a bit of a discount in trade value, but not much.
After that (and 4 years is WAY after that), trade value is full-freight.
ChaoticOrange
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I guess that I just don't understand what the point is in serving up a hypothetical that has no basis in reality.
I mean, we're not starting threads about Tkachuk's cost if he isn't signed by November and demands to go to Edmonton...
The Moose is Loose
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Show me the report where Draisaitl is on the trade block or the Oilers are shopping him?
Oh you can't?! That combined with some basic logic should tell you that getting him would mean the team is prying an unavailable player away. Which would cost a lot more
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Its funny, but it's closer than the offer for Draisaitl.
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Very, very few players are signed for more than 4 years. It’s absolutely “long term.
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Sorry Mr Neutral fan, but I think you are the one that is lost here.
You didn't specify any conditions why Draisaitl would be "on the trade block". You said "if he was on for whatever reason".
So we're left to assume... it could be: we've decided to trade Drai for a franchise goalie and futures/depth, it could be he's asked for a trade and kept it quiet, it could be he's demanded a trade only to Ottawa... it could be he's demanded a trade to any team.
Regardless of the scenario, Oilers are holding a strong hand, since:
[checks quickly:... oh yes, 30 of 32 teams have $8.5M in cap for next year, so they can all make it happen especially since Edmonton would surely expect a few roster players back]
So there is going to be a bidding war, and yet here are some of the "lost" arguments you've made here:
You didn't specify any conditions why Draisaitl would be "on the trade block". You said "if he was on for whatever reason".
So we're left to assume... it could be: we've decided to trade Drai for a franchise goalie and futures/depth, it could be he's asked for a trade and kept it quiet, it could be he's demanded a trade only to Ottawa... it could be he's demanded a trade to any team.
Regardless of the scenario, Oilers are holding a strong hand, since:
- He's a recent MVP
- He's a big center
- He's got a fantastic contract
- He's signed for four more years (ie he has term
[checks quickly:... oh yes, 30 of 32 teams have $8.5M in cap for next year, so they can all make it happen especially since Edmonton would surely expect a few roster players back]
So there is going to be a bidding war, and yet here are some of the "lost" arguments you've made here:
- First and foremost, that a projected 60-70 point kid wanting a Draisaitl-like salary, who is UNSIGNED, plus a decent young two-way C that maybe projects to be what, a 60 point guy? and a 1st is enough for an $8.5M Art Ross/MVP who is young and has term... and that nobody would outbid you
- ... while not even considering Edmonton's needs (I don't see a goalie in there)
- And a UFA to be Hossa is a decent comparable
- And 4 years contract should be considered too short, thus Drai's value is less
- Not to mention these gems:
- Carson was the main value coming back for Gretzky, not the 4 other 1st rounders + CASH
- A 4th overall was the main value coming back for Lindros, not Forsberg, or Vezina winner Hextall, or a 75 point 27 year old defenseman named Duchesne, or a 21 year old 56 point two-way center named Ricci, plus Simon, plus Huffman, plus another 1st round pick
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How about you read what's going on in the thread instead of making a fool of yourself again.
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It's a message board almost entirely made up of hypotheticals. All I said was "if he were on the block, it would be among the best deals - but he's not" and it blew up. lol
I agree this proposal is bad, but yall gotta put the breaks on this second best player in the league business.
Not a single GM would pick drai second after McDavid in a league wide redraft. Zero.
Not a single GM would pick drai second after McDavid in a league wide redraft. Zero.
SensFactor
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I wouldn't even trade Tkachuk for RNH straight up. Let alone add more pieces to get him...lol
zar
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I agree that the OP is off on his value but why make an equally bad offer.... the Sens wouldn't trade Tkachuk alone for that package.
I really like Tkachuk but I'm getting the sense he likely wants to play a a bigger market... and likely in the US. I wouldn't doubt that the Tkachuks end up playing together somewhere in about 4 years in a larger US market.
Completely incorrect. If its a draft to win now , he would be a popular second chocie perhaps others like Matthews Hedman vask would get some consideration but two get your big #1C thats leaves leon and Mackinnon and 2/3. We could debate who is better all day but leon has the hardware to back it up.
Try again
Incorrect......with a side of lack of hockey knowledge
