Confirmed with Link: Draisaitl re-signs 8y 8.5M AAV

[McFlyingV]

I get the feeling Maroon will sign like a 4.5 per x 5-6 year deal with St. Louis next summer.

Doubtful imo. St Louis doesn't need a ton of help on the wing, and I don't think anyone's being fooled by the McDavid boost.

If Maroon was smart (in terms of his career) he'd sign a Kunitz like deal for 3 years 3-3.5M range. He's found a niche here and likely ends up a 3rd or 4th line player on pretty much any other team in the league and may not even be able to find a contract after that ones up if he tries to cash in. He's also very unlikely to get anything more than 4 years elsewhere. Take the hit to stay in Edmonton for a few years and he likely gets a few more years on a decent cap hit to stay in the league beyond that where he might otherwise find himself in early retirement. He's not the type of player who is going to be getting a long-term deal at this point as theres far too much risk with his age given his poor skating.

 

[booyakasha]

Maroon will get a slight raise on his current contract if he has another good season.

9 M is the new contract rate for top 10 point getters in this league. Just the way it is. Why you so concerned about the wing. Drai is a natural center, and one hell of a center right now.

Everyone need to calm down about the money. So over rated.

not quite yet though....I'm still waiting to see this "one hell of a centre"

he's been a great winger riding shotgun to McDavid and Hall.

all I'm saying is, if you are paying him that kind of cake, then he better produce without help, and actually make players around him better, rather than the opposite.

paying him that much to play wing? c'mon now, Ebrele did the same thing, but scored more goals and didn't have a generational talent help him. yet he was ran out quickly.
If Drai can't Centre hs own line and produce at PPG or more? get ready for him being the next whipping boy in Edmonton.

 

[AM]

Horribly risky deal.

 

[AM]

If only hockeyanalysis/puckalytics.com wasn't dead. I'd be curious to see who Drai was playing with and what kind of zone starts he was getting away from McDavid.

If McLellan continued to match Klef/Lars with McDavid and Drai got Reggie/Russell, there's a pretty good reason right there on why his offense was down.

The issue is that Drai can never be outside of Mcdavids shadow while playing on the Oilers.

Teams will always have to split their focus.

 

[MessierII]

not quite yet though....I'm still waiting to see this "one hell of a centre"

he's been a great winger riding shotgun to McDavid and Hall.

all I'm saying is, if you are paying him that kind of cake, then he better produce without help, and actually make players around him better, rather than the opposite.

paying him that much to play wing? c'mon now, Ebrele did the same thing, but scored more goals and didn't have a generational talent help him. yet he was ran out quickly.
If Drai can't Centre hs own line and produce at PPG or more? get ready for him being the next whipping boy in Edmonton.

He definitely played centre 100% of the time he played with Taylor Hall.

 

[Soundwave]

Doubtful imo. St Louis doesn't need a ton of help on the wing, and I don't think anyone's being fooled by the McDavid boost.

If Maroon was smart (in terms of his career) he'd sign a Kunitz like deal for 3 years 3-3.5M range. He's found a niche here and likely ends up a 3rd or 4th line player on pretty much any other team in the league and may not even be able to find a contract after that ones up if he tries to cash in. He's also very unlikely to get anything more than 4 years elsewhere. Take the hit to stay in Edmonton for a few years and he likely gets a few more years on a decent cap hit to stay in the league beyond that where he might otherwise find himself in early retirement. He's not the type of player who is going to be getting a long-term deal at this point as theres far too much risk with his age given his poor skating.

I think he's going to want term. This is his retirement deal that needs to last him the rest of his life.

Maybe he agrees in Edmonton but I think the ask would be 4x5 minimum and I don't think he takes anything less than 4 years.

 

[AM]

My question, for everybody who thinks this is a good deal...

What do you pay them if they win the cup?

 

[MoontoScott]

Doubtful imo. St Louis doesn't need a ton of help on the wing, and I don't think anyone's being fooled by the McDavid boost.

If Maroon was smart (in terms of his career) he'd sign a Kunitz like deal for 3 years 3-3.5M range. He's found a niche here and likely ends up a 3rd or 4th line player on pretty much any other team in the league and may not even be able to find a contract after that ones up if he tries to cash in. He's also very unlikely to get anything more than 4 years elsewhere. Take the hit to stay in Edmonton for a few years and he likely gets a few more years on a decent cap hit to stay in the league beyond that where he might otherwise find himself in early retirement. He's not the type of player who is going to be getting a long-term deal at this point as theres far too much risk with his age given his poor skating.

Yes, tend to agree, if he gets that kind of coin in St. Louis then more power to him but he won't get that kind of dough in Edmonton. The Oilers will already have a left winger (Lucic) who is almost 30 and has 6 years left on a very expensive deal so I don't see how the Oilers could afford a second thirty-something left winger with another 30M commitment. If Maroon is seeking that type of deal then almost certainly he will be gone.

 

[Soundwave]

Oilers can afford Maroon at 4 per and Strome at 3.5 per ... but it would require trading RNH for a ELC type player like Dylan Strome.

Lucic I think will be traded or retire before his deal ends.

 

[MessierII]

My question, for everybody who thinks this is a good deal...

What do you pay them if they win the cup?

Who cares about 8-9 years down the road? The cap environment will be completely different as it was 8-9 years ago. If we win a cup or cups that means this was a good deal.

 

[Panda Bear]

The cap in 05-06 was 39.0 million.

The cap in 09-10 was 56.8 million.

The cap in 13-14 was 64.3 million.

The cap in 17-18 is 75.0 million.

It's increased 36 million over twelve years, or three million per season.

Unless there is an economic disaster or an NHLPA of unprecedented incompetence, it shouldn't be surprising if the cap during the middle of Drai's deal is 90 million. I'll project based upon the average increase per year over the twelve year period.

Today? 21 of 76 is 27.6%.

2021-22? 21 of 88 is 23.9%.

2025-26? 21 of 100 is 21.0%.

You don't get top players who outperform their contracts unless you sign long. Malkin and Crosby signing for what they did years ago is what cost them cups in the early '10s but cups now.

 

[booyakasha]

He definitely played centre 100% of the time he played with Taylor Hall.

yet was never as proficient at it once Hall left, and became a winger.

 

[Panda Bear]

yet was never as proficient at it once Hall left, and became a winger.

Are you implying that a centre performs better with elite wingers and worse without them?

What a shock. I wouldn't have put it together.

 

[Panda Bear]

I'm also happy to find out that Draisaitl is the same player now as he was playing with Hall.

I guess this new contract was awarded based solely on what he did in 15-16.

 

[McFlyingV]

not quite yet though....I'm still waiting to see this "one hell of a centre"

he's been a great winger riding shotgun to McDavid and Hall.

all I'm saying is, if you are paying him that kind of cake, then he better produce without help, and actually make players around him better, rather than the opposite.

paying him that much to play wing? c'mon now, Ebrele did the same thing, but scored more goals and didn't have a generational talent help him. yet he was ran out quickly.
If Drai can't Centre hs own line and produce at PPG or more? get ready for him being the next whipping boy in Edmonton.

Huh? He wasn't a winger with Hall. He fizzled out that season as a lot of 20 year olds playing their first full NHL season do, but Draisaitl was absolutely playing like an Elite centre for a good 30-40 games with Hall as his winger. Sure, he has to prove it over a full season, but very few players (and by very few i mean less than 0.5% of the league) prove to be a consistent #1C as a 20 or 21 year old.

If Draisaitl at 1RW makes the team better then idc if he's making 8.5M on the wing. Your Eberle comparable is asinine given how much Draisaitl brings outside of scoring that Eberle could never bring and I don't know how you could have watched Oilers hockey last year and not realized that the McDavid line was 5x more effective with Draisaitl there rather than Eberle, like not even in the same universe.

 

[booyakasha]

Are you implying that a centre performs better with elite wingers and worse without them?

What a shock. I wouldn't have put it together.

glad I could help thanks for the acknowledgement.


...actually quite shocked you weren't able to figure that out on your own.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

TIL Hall was actually the center when he played with Draisaitl.

 

[McFlyingV]

yet was never as proficient at it once Hall left, and became a winger.

Wanna look at who he played with in that limited 30 game sample before going on McDavid's wing? I'll help you out, it was the likes of Pouliot (playing like an AHLer), 2 struggling rookies (Slepy and Puljujarvi), Pitlick, Maroon (love the guy, but he's a 3rd liner with anyone not named McDavid or prime Getz+Perry), and maybe a small amount with Lucic who also struggled heavily to begin the year. People putting all their stock in the small 30 game sample to start the year where Draisaitl admittedly was not playing great hockey (essentially his sophomore slump given it was his 2nd full NHL season), while ignoring his 70 games in 15-16 and his games in the playoffs at centre is wildly off-base.

If you want to believe Draisaitl is only a 50 point player then by all means go for it I guess, but I'll be laughing when he puts up over 70 points this season and is playing very good 2-way hockey and becoming a solid face-off man while bulldozing and outmuscling elite defenders like Doughty all year.

 

[booyakasha]

Huh? He wasn't a winger with Hall. He fizzled out that season as a lot of 20 year olds playing their first full NHL season do, but Draisaitl was absolutely playing like an Elite centre for a good 30-40 games with Hall as his winger. Sure, he has to prove it over a full season, but very few players (and by very few i mean less than 0.5% of the league) prove to be a consistent #1C as a 20 or 21 year old.

If Draisaitl at 1RW makes the team better then idc if he's making 8.5M on the wing. Your Eberle comparable is asinine given how much Draisaitl brings outside of scoring that Eberle could never bring and I don't know how you could have watched Oilers hockey last year and not realized that the McDavid line was 5x more effective with Draisaitl there rather than Eberle, like not even in the same universe.

dude, calm down.

 

[booyakasha]

Wanna look at who he played with in that limited 30 game sample before going on McDavid's wing? I'll help you out, it was the likes of Pouliot (playing like an AHLer), 2 struggling rookies (Slepy and Puljujarvi), Pitlick, Maroon (love the guy, but he's a 3rd liner with anyone not named McDavid or prime Getz+Perry), and maybe a small amount with Lucic who also struggled heavily to begin the year. People putting all their stock in the small 30 game sample to start the year where Draisaitl admittedly was not playing great hockey (essentially his sophomore slump given it was his 2nd full NHL season), while ignoring his 70 games in 15-16 and his games in the playoffs at centre is wildly off-base.

If you want to believe Draisaitl is only a 50 point player then by all means go for it I guess, but I'll be laughing when he puts up over 70 points this season and is playing very good 2-way hockey and becoming a solid face-off man while bulldozing and outmuscling elite defenders like Doughty all year.

I never said that.

 

[McFlyingV]

dude, calm down.

I'm quite calm, your post just had terrible arguments so I addressed them.

I never said that.

Sorry 50 point centre which you essentially implied is all that he has proven. This sites obsession with centres is honestly hilarious. It doesn't matter where Draisaitls playing. If he's putting up 77 points and scoring top 10 in the league playing with McDavid or without then he's earning that 8.5M. The fact that 1) he has chemistry with McDavid, 2) he has the versatility to play both RW and C, 3) he has a good 2-way game (and projects to have a very good one) and is solid on the face-off dot at a young age (also projected to be good in the future), only makes him more valuable.

He will not be the whipping boy for me thats for sure. He is a much more complete player and seems to actually give a damn compared to whipping boys of the past. Not that I can fault some of them given the situation they were thrown into under the KLowe, MacT and Tambo era.

 

[booyakasha]

I'm quite calm, your post just had terrible arguments so I addressed them.



Sorry 50 point centre which you essentially implied is all that he has proven. This sites obsession with centres is honestly hilarious. It doesn't matter where Draisaitls playing. If he's putting up 77 points and scoring top 10 in the league playing with McDavid or without then he's earning that 8.5M. The fact that 1) he has chemistry with McDavid, 2) he has the versatility to play both RW and C, 3) he has a good 2-way game (and projects to have a very good one) and is solid on the face-off dot at a young age (also projected to be good in the future), only makes him more valuable.

He will not be the whipping boy for me thats for sure. He is a much more complete player and seems to actually give a damn compared to whipping boys of the past. Not that I can fault some of them given the situation they were thrown into under the KLowe, MacT and Tambo era.

They weren't terrible arguements.
also never call Draisaitl a 50 point Centre either.

I'm not argueing, only offering my opinion. If Drai got 8.5 mill/year because he thought he ws closer to McDavid in salary, than he is going to have to prove it by playing Centre and drving his own line....that kind of salary will never be justified by only playing wing to McDavid....especially when you only pot 29 goals.

I'm just pointing out, that for that kind of money, he better bring more to the table here, as othrs have been ran out of town, and I fear that Drai will be the next one.

 

[McFlyingV]

They weren't terrible arguements.
also never call Draisaitl a 50 point Centre either.

I'm not argueing, only offering my opinion. If Drai got 8.5 mill/year because he thought he ws closer to McDavid in salary, than he is going to have to prove it by playing Centre and drving his own line....that kind of salary will never be justified by only playing wing to McDavid....especially when you only pot 29 goals.

I'm just pointing out, that for that kind of money, he better bring more to the table here, as othrs have been ran out of town, and I fear that Drai will be the next one.

Comparing Eberle to Draisaitl certainly was, especially considering how much Draisaitl outproduced and outplayed him despite them both spending significant time with McDavid.

That said, to each their own I suppose. I couldn't disagree more and I believe Drai brings a lot more than you give him credit for. Guess we'll see over the next 8 years who's right.

 

[booyakasha]

Comparing Eberle to Draisaitl certainly was, especially considering how much Draisaitl outproduced and outplayed him despite them both spending significant time with McDavid.

That said, to each their own I suppose. I couldn't disagree more and I believe Drai brings a lot more than you give him credit for. Guess we'll see over the next 8 years who's right.

Eberle scored 76 points and 34 goals in his 2nd season with Edmonton. (WITHOUT a generational talent, mind)
he got poaid and chased out of town.

I love Draissaitl....where in your world you think I don't give him credit here is beyond me.

*I'm not questioning the player, but the situation.*

 

[McFlyingV]

Eberle scored 76 points and 34 goals in his 2nd season with Edmonton.
he got poaid and chased out of town.

I love Draissaitl....where in your world you think I don't give him credit here is beyond me.

*I'm not questioning the player, but the situation.*

Context means something here. Eberle shot at an absolutely unsustainable level that year, regression was quite obvious. Eberle also relative to league scoring was lower than Draisaitl. Eberle also offered absolutely nothing in terms of versatility, 2-way play or physicality, Draisaitl does in spades. Eberle also did that in a season with very little pressure on a team that was out of the playoff race by Christmas.

I fail to see the parallels in your comparison, even when looking at situation. There's a lot to like in the way that Draisaitl plays the game that will prevent your whipping boy scenario. Outside of some WJC heroics, there was very little going for Eberle to prevent that.