Confirmed with Link: Draisaitl re-signs 8y 8.5M AAV

[MoneyGuy]

Just happy to see Leon is resigned. AAV isn't problem at all. We need to be good at the center and can have cheaper vets and ELC players on the wings.

You're the second poster I've read who has said that the price tag isn't a concern. It is. It has to be in a salary-cap age. I'm not saying he won't play to the cap hit but even half a million can be important down the road.

 

[tabs]

You're the second poster I've read who has said that the price tag isn't a concern. It is. It has to be in a salary-cap age. I'm not saying he won't play to the cap hit but even half a million can be important down the road.

How many teams in the league have their top 4 locked up for 18 mill total? That half a million will be saved in other spots, not with your star players. If we gave Leon 10 mill I'd get it, but he's within a mill of his direct comparisons so that's what you have to look at, not the total because Leon was gonna get paid regardless.

Everyone was happy kassian signed for what he did because they expected it to be 500k more. That will be the norm with all of our depth and role players from here on out.

 

[MoneyGuy]

How many teams in the league have their top 4 locked up for 18 mill total? That half a million will be saved in other spots, not with your star players. If we gave Leon 10 mill I'd get it, but he's within a mill of his direct comparisons so that's what you have to look at, not the total because Leon was gonna get paid regardless.

Everyone was happy kassian signed for what he did because they expected it to be 500k more. That will be the norm with all of our depth and role players from here on out.

That wasn't my point. My point was that reducing cap hits is important, even on the contracts on star players. What happens when the stars below McDavid and Drai renew - Talbot et al? They're on value contracts now, but that won't always be the case. That's when the savings are really important.

 

[joestevens29]

That wasn't my point. My point was that reducing cap hits is important, even on the contracts on star players. What happens when the stars below McDavid and Drai renew - Talbot et al? They're on value contracts now, but that won't always be the case. That's when the savings are really important.

See PIT and CHI, you just have a rotation of guys.

If anyone seriously thinks that we can just continue to keep everyone they are kidding themselves. You identify your core and go from there.

 

[Aceboogie]

You're the second poster I've read who has said that the price tag isn't a concern. It is. It has to be in a salary-cap age. I'm not saying he won't play to the cap hit but even half a million can be important down the road.

500K or even 1.5 mil isnt an issue when it comes to your top players, specifically top talent in the entire NHL. You save your money in the bottom 6 or lesser top 6 players by replacing them with prospects

The only bigger uproar from Oil fans than the uprorar to the Draisaitl contract would be the uproar from Draisaitl walking or being dealt because of a 500K difference 9Smyth anyone)

The problem contracts are the Lucic/Russell ones (coindicdentally HFOil seems very oddly ok with the AAV on these)

 

[bone]

500K or even 1.5 mil isnt an issue when it comes to your top players, specifically top talent in the entire NHL. You save your money in the bottom 6 or lesser top 6 players by replacing them with prospects

The only bigger uproar from Oil fans than the uprorar to the Draisaitl contract would be the uproar from Draisaitl walking or being dealt because of a 500K difference 9Smyth anyone)

The problem contracts are the Lucic/Russell ones (coindicdentally HFOil seems very oddly ok with the AAV on these)

I think a lot of us are concerned about the contract on Lucic (not the player), particularly in the later years as there really isn't a way out of it if he doesn't perform short of developing an allergy to his equipment. Russell's, I believe, is quite moveable still so it's not panic inducing, even though I'm not sure I would have signed him to it.

 

[joestevens29]

I think a lot of us are concerned about the contract on Lucic (not the player), particularly in the later years as there really isn't a way out of it if he doesn't perform short of developing an allergy to his equipment. Russell's, I believe, is quite moveable still so it's not panic inducing, even though I'm not sure I would have signed him to it.

Or more closer to home, some sort of foot issue that causes you not to be able to wear skates.

 

[Soundwave]

500K or even 1.5 mil isnt an issue when it comes to your top players, specifically top talent in the entire NHL. You save your money in the bottom 6 or lesser top 6 players by replacing them with prospects

The only bigger uproar from Oil fans than the uprorar to the Draisaitl contract would be the uproar from Draisaitl walking or being dealt because of a 500K difference 9Smyth anyone)

The problem contracts are the Lucic/Russell ones (coindicdentally HFOil seems very oddly ok with the AAV on these)

I think we will dump Russell once his NMC is off after year 2. If we have to attach a pick so be it.

Lucic likely as well IMO does not finish his contract here, once 2020-21 rolls around, I think he will be traded as his NMC transfers into a NTC as well.

 

[Cawz]

And also frustrated that other teams get their young studs to sign for 6 or 7 million and we have to pay a higher premium (Mcdavid excluding as he's in a class of his own).

Would you trade Drai for Gaudreau straight up?

 

[joestevens29]

Would you trade Drai for Gaudreau straight up?

At a quick glance the only one I really like is Barkov at 5.9, but the guy hasn't proved a lot and has injury concerns.

 

[Aceboogie]

I think we will dump Russell once his NMC is off after year 2. If we have to attach a pick so be it.

Lucic likely as well IMO does not finish his contract here, once 2020-21 rolls around, I think he will be traded as his NMC transfers into a NTC as well.

Hopefully this comes to fruitation. I dont see much of an issue with our cap going forward provided the necessary players are traded for cap relief

Ideally Benning continues to progress this year and makes Russell expendable next offseason. So he can be dealt for cap relief. Then over next 2 years Nurse/Jones/other D prospects step up and make Sekera expendable for the 2020/21 year. And then Lucic is dealt with in 3 years properly

The thing I fear is Chiarelli develops an obsession with his older guys he signed himself and is reluctant to trade them. Likewise, he seems determined to purge all the former Oilers as fast as he can. So Id hate from him to trade RNH for scraps vs other older options.

Anyway, this post is getting a bit off topic. Essentially Draisaitl contract should cause zero concerns

 

[KCC]

That wasn't my point. My point was that reducing cap hits is important, even on the contracts on star players. What happens when the stars below McDavid and Drai renew - Talbot et al? They're on value contracts now, but that won't always be the case. That's when the savings are really important.

Even if mcDavid and drai signed for What some ppl view in their minds as fair, we still wouldn't be able to keep everyone. That's what I think some need to realize.

McDavid and drai are the players to lead down the road. Going to have to shell out the big bucks. Fine with it. It's lucic and nudge that are bad contracts and an example of throwing money around because they aren't any where near star players.

But in the end all teams have bad contracts.

 

[McDraekke]

Even if mcDavid and drai signed for What some ppl view in their minds as fair, we still wouldn't be able to keep everyone. That's what I think some need to realize.

McDavid and drai are the players to lead down the road. Going to have to shell out the big bucks. Fine with it. It's lucic and nudge that are bad contracts and an example of throwing money around because they aren't any where near star players.

But in the end all teams have bad contracts.

The argument seems to be somehwat splintered and it doesn't seem as though both sides are arguing against each other correctly.

To me, it's not that I think Drai is too highly paid that we won't be able to fit supporting players around him and McDavid. I think it's a touch too high for someone who isn't proven. I think he should be making 7.5M and be happy that he's at the same level as his comparables who most of which have a higher level of consistency and/or haven't had the same support (Hall, McDavid) driving their production.

8.5M tells me that Chia is confident that Drai is going to continue to produce at the high level of last year if he's with McDavid or not. THAT is my concern.

 

[MoontoScott]

Would you trade Drai for Gaudreau straight up?

No

 

[Samus44]

You're the second poster I've read who has said that the price tag isn't a concern. It is. It has to be in a salary-cap age. I'm not saying he won't play to the cap hit but even half a million can be important down the road.

Just be happy he's here for 8 more years. Durr. But seriously you're 100% correct.

Of course the AAV should be scrutinised, he's overpaid in relation to his comparable peers and it's a mistake the Oilers and Chiarelli seem prone in making in regards to their top players. When an extremely comparable player in Johansen gets 8 per despite giving up more UFA years the contract should be criticized, he got above market value and it was a case of Chiarelli caving. Draisaitl does not have the leverage and resume to be a top 10 paid player but yet the Oilers made him one. Is it awful, no, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[MessierII]

Just be happy he's here for 8 more years. Durr. But seriously you're 100% correct.

Of course the AAV should be scrutinised, he's overpaid in relation to his comparable peers and it's a mistake the Oilers and Chiarelli seem prone in making in regards to their top players. When an extremely comparable player in Johansen gets 8 per despite giving up more UFA years the contract should be criticized, he got above market value and it was a case of Chiarelli caving. Draisaitl does not have the leverage and resume to be a top 10 paid player but yet the Oilers made him one. Is it awful, no, but that doesn't make it right.

This is a new era of contracts. Eichel and Matthews are both already rumoured to be coming in at over 10 mil. Will this Drai deal be considered massive in a few years? I think it will be seen as a bargain.

 

[Cawz]

At a quick glance the only one I really like is Barkov at 5.9, but the guy hasn't proved a lot and has injury concerns.

No

Exactly. Which is why I dont understand why someone would be frustrated that other teams sign their "studs" for less. Unless there is a signing from this year that we'd trade Drai for straight up, its kind of a stupid statement.

 

[Cawz]

Between Mac-D, Drai, RNH and Lucic the team has committed 33M per season or about 45% of the current cap to 4 players (for at least the next 4 years) and 2 of these contracts (RNH and Lucic) are questionable in terms of quality.

Minor detail, but why did you round up to 45%? Its actually 44% (33m out of 75 m). You typed more words "about 45%" instead of just typing what it was "44%". Just seemed kind of weird...

But anyways, McDavids contract doesnt kick in till next year, so if the cap rises (which is always does), it may be closer to 40 than to 45.

But your original point does stand. That just struck me as odd.

 

[LaGu]

Hopefully this comes to fruitation. I dont see much of an issue with our cap going forward provided the necessary players are traded for cap relief

Ideally Benning continues to progress this year and makes Russell expendable next offseason. So he can be dealt for cap relief. Then over next 2 years Nurse/Jones/other D prospects step up and make Sekera expendable for the 2020/21 year. And then Lucic is dealt with in 3 years properly

The thing I fear is Chiarelli develops an obsession with his older guys he signed himself and is reluctant to trade them. Likewise, he seems determined to purge all the former Oilers as fast as he can. So Id hate from him to trade RNH for scraps vs other older options.

Anyway, this post is getting a bit off topic. Essentially Draisaitl contract should cause zero concerns

Premature of course, but this is a valid concern imo.

Right now I am really happy with what he has done here (despite that the Drai contract was a tough pill to swallow) but it depends a lot on what will happen when our oldies start getting slow. In boston he suffered a bit from the problem of keeping his older boys.

What you have done previously does not define how you act in the present or future though, so I still have hope that this won't happen.

 

[LaGu]

Just be happy he's here for 8 more years. Durr. But seriously you're 100% correct.

Of course the AAV should be scrutinised, he's overpaid in relation to his comparable peers and it's a mistake the Oilers and Chiarelli seem prone in making in regards to their top players. When an extremely comparable player in Johansen gets 8 per despite giving up more UFA years the contract should be criticized, he got above market value and it was a case of Chiarelli caving. Draisaitl does not have the leverage and resume to be a top 10 paid player but yet the Oilers made him one. Is it awful, no, but that doesn't make it right.

I don't know, Johansen is one of my favorite players but Draisaitl just outscored his best regular season and playoffs by a bit.

McDavid did not bounce pucks off Draisaitl this year, he earned his points.

Also, he is 21 .... and last season he was on pace for just below 60 pts (72 GP).


Let's see what happens this season, but I bet he will again be close to or above Johansen in scoring while being 3 years younger.

 

[SecretOilersFan]

For all the posters complaining what did you expect Edmonton is a high tax market that isn't desirable from a location perspective we aint Dallas. Secondly Johansen not only got 8 mil in Nash putting up less points and goals than Drai but also in a lower tax market I don't think they factor UFA years into the contract. Is it a little overpay yeah but if we dragged contract negotiations into training camp Drai could struggle like Gaudreau did. Drai also had an overall better playoffs the McD did.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If they're paying him to center his own line then fine, I can live with it. If they're paying him to be McDavids winger then it's stupid.

 

[MoontoScott]

Minor detail, but why did you round up to 45%? Its actually 44% (33m out of 75 m). You typed more words "about 45%" instead of just typing what it was "44%". Just seemed kind of weird...

But anyways, McDavids contract doesnt kick in till next year, so if the cap rises (which is always does), it may be closer to 40 than to 45.

But your original point does stand. That just struck me as odd.

Well 33 out of 75 is 44% but that is "about 45%" isn't it?

If it was only 40% the cap would have to rise to 82.5million, unlikely within the next few years.

 

[Jumptheshark]

love the deal more because leaf fans hate it

 

[Cawz]

Well 33 out of 75 is 44% but that is "about 45%" isn't it?

If it was only 40% the cap would have to rise to 82.5million, unlikely within the next few years.

For your first point, yes, but you typed more words to say something less accurate. I just thought it was odd. Thats all.

And I said closer to 40%, which would be anything less than 42.5%, so around 77.6 mil, which could happen.