Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Tuna99]

Lol, let's make playoffs first.

I’m thinking Cup man. This team is for real.

I’m not really afraid of any team in the East, I think we can swing with anyone

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853102216015454534

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I've see him go ballistics on the ref for shit calls. Don't recall ever seeing DJ do that whatsoever

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm really liking his feedback after the games and in between. Usually aligns with my own thoughts, so I'm usually happy to hear what he has to say. Well spoken guy as well, and as mentioned above, nice to see some anger passion over calls on the bench. Those 2 holding calls last night were horse shit.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I’m thinking Cup man. This team is for real.

I’m not really afraid of any team in the East, I think we can swing with anyone

We need a top pairing D man. Zub can be that. We need him healthy and impactful.

And we need a gamebreaking forward.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-_______
Giroux-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Perron
Gregor-Gaudette-Amadio
Cousins/MacEwan

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-JBD
Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

A gamebreaking forward and I agree we can make some serious noise. Like serious noise.

Someone said Pinto RW with Stutzle and Tkachuk, or Norris there.

That could be something if Greig holds his own as 3rd line C. It could just be good enough with Vezina-like goaltending.

 

[Tuna99]

Travis Green went from my top 5 hated hockey players of all time, and in 1 preseason and 11 NHL game as HC, now I’d allow him to marry my daughter

 

[coladin]

I notice that Green has all forwards skating directly into the opposition, which is making the forecheck more effective. A lot of north south to begin with when setting up without the puck

 

[Samsquanch]

We need a top pairing D man. Zub can be that. We need him healthy and impactful.

And we need a gamebreaking forward.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-_______
Giroux-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Perron
Gregor-Gaudette-Amadio
Cousins/MacEwan

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-JBD
Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

A gamebreaking forward and I agree we can make some serious noise. Like serious noise.

Someone said Pinto RW with Stutzle and Tkachuk, or Norris there.

That could be something if Greig holds his own as 3rd line C. It could just be good enough with Vezina-like goaltending.

I don't think many people here or around the league believe that we need another game breaking froward.

We have Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux, Norris. And we have many others including Pinto, Greig, Perron ect ect to fill the voids.

We don't need another Debrincat or Tarasenko imo...we're good. There's no more room on the PP and we have an abundance of secondary scoring.

 

[Dionysus]

I don't think many people here or around the league believe that we need another game breaking froward.

We have Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux, Norris. And we have many others including Pinto, Greig, Perron ect ect to fill the voids.

We don't need another Debrincat or Tarasenko imo...we're good. There's no more room on the PP and we have an abundance of secondary scoring.

Would be pretty tough to add the salary a gamebreaking forward would Command without moving one of the guys making around 8m.

If they target someone later in the season, a strong middle 6 forward would be my guess. Someone that's fits the identity Staios is building towards.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't think many people here or around the league believe that we need another game breaking froward.

We have Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux, Norris. And we have many others including Pinto, Greig, Perron ect ect to fill the voids.

We don't need another Debrincat or Tarasenko imo...we're good. There's no more room on the PP and we have an abundance of secondary scoring.

It would be a tough add with the cap space we are looking at.. the rebuild being over and all . I guess drafting one did not seem important

 

[Micklebot]

I'm still eager to see how everything comes together once Zub and Pinto are back, Perron too for that matter.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Greig
Batherson-Norris-Giroux
Perron-Pinto-Amadio
Cousins-Gaudette-MacEwen/Gregor

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic/JBD

I'm not even sure who comes out, JBD is my preference for the bottom pair, but despite the complaints I think Hamonic has actually been pretty good albeit way overslotted. Down on a third pair I think he'd be pretty similar to JBD

For that 4th line, it's hard to break up what's working, but I think MacEwen comes out? It's probably between him and Cousins, since Gregor has been a mainstay on the PK as well as getting more ES icetime.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I don't think many people here or around the league believe that we need another game breaking froward.

We have Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux, Norris. And we have many others including Pinto, Greig, Perron ect ect to fill the voids.

We don't need another Debrincat or Tarasenko imo...we're good. There's no more room on the PP and we have an abundance of secondary scoring.

I mean if we want to to be considered the best, favourites every year, we do need another game breaking forward. Debrincat and Tarasenko aren't gamebreakers. Gamebreakers are guys that can change the tide of a game.

Right now we only have Stutzle that fits the description. Most contenders that have been contenders for a long time have 2 or more.

Last time we were contenders we had 2-3.

We do have pretty great depth though.

 

[Micklebot]

I mean if we want to to be considered the best, favourites every year, we do need another game breaking forward. Debrincat and Tarasenko aren't gamebreakers. Gamebreakers are guys that can change the tide of a game.

Right now we only have Stutzle that fits the description. Most contenders that have been contenders for a long time have 2 or more.

Last time we were contenders we had 2-3.

We do have pretty great depth though.

So, it will be interesting to see how things play out. Right now, we have 3 players in the top 30 in pts per game (only Tbay has more at 4), not bad even if you don't want to call Tkachuk (13th) or Batherson (25th) game breakers.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

So, it will be interesting to see how things play out. Right now, we have 3 players in the top 30 in pts per game (only Tbay has more at 4), not bad even if you don't want to call Tkachuk (13th) or Batherson (25th) game breakers.

gamebreakers are consistent threats period to period, game to game, month to month.

hopefully they get to that point but they have to prove it first.


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Everyone giving props to Green and yea, but also can you imagine Alfie being your coach and talking about his philosophy of winning games and you not putting in a complete defensive effort? it would make no sense.

Alfie is gonna be a head coach one day.

 

[Micklebot]

gamebreakers are consistent threats period to period, game to game, month to month.

hopefully they get to that point but they have to prove it first.

I mean, Brady is right there with Mark Stone in pts per game over the last 3 seasons, he's also more of a scoring threat than Stone who leans more towards playmaking.

I don't think many teams have more than one guy that sets themselves to the point that Brady wouldn't be included. I mean, Colorado, Florida, Edm, and Toronto. Probably Vancouver but after that, it gets a little more tricky.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I mean, Brady is right there with Mark Stone in pts per game over the last 3 seasons, he's also more of a scoring threat than Stone who leans more towards playmaking.

I don't think many teams have more than one guy that sets themselves to the point that Brady wouldn't be included. I mean, Colorado, Florida, Edm, and Toronto. Probably Vancouver but after that, it gets a little more tricky.

so are guys like Tuch, Kreider, Hyman, Nichushkin, Zuccarello, Debrincat etc but you wouldn't want these guys as your best forward on the team/ 1st line.

being near ppg doesn't mean you're a gamebreaker anymore. and comparing point totals between Stone and Brady is like comparing them between Alfredsson and Heatley. We all know who stirs the line/team in those comparisons.

would you really be comfortable with Brady as the best forward on your team? as the guy you are relying upon to be your gamebreaker?

i'm not even sure id be happy with Stone in that role let alone Brady.

 

[Micklebot]

so are guys like Tuch, Kreider, Hyman, Nichushkin, Zuccarello, Debrincat etc but you wouldn't want these guys as your best forward on the team/ 1st line.

being near ppg doesn't mean you're a gamebreaker anymore. and comparing point totals between Stone and Brady is like comparing them between Alfredsson and Heatley. We all know who stirs the line/team in those comparisons.

would you really be comfortable with Brady as the best forward on your team? as the guy you are relying upon to be your gamebreaker?

Right, because Tkachuk imposes a physical toll on the opposition that the entire team benefits from in a way Stone couldn't dream of... oh wait, you were trying to put down Tkachuk...

I'm comfortable saying Brady can change the dynamic of a game in a way few players can. He can score clutch goals, he can rock guys with big hits, he can wear down the oppositions D with a heavy forcheck, and he can drop the gloves to turn the tide in a game the team is coming out flat. To me, that ability to change the dynamic of a game is what makes players game breaking players regardless of how they do it.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Right, because Tkachuk imposes a physical toll on the opposition that the entire team benefits from in a way Stone couldn't dream of... oh wait, you were trying to put down Tkachuk...

I'm comfortable saying Brady can change the dynamic of a game in a way few players can. He can score clutch goals, he can rock guys with big hits, he can wear down the oppositions D with a heavy forcheck, and he can drop the gloves to turn the tide in a game the team is coming out flat. To me, that ability to change the dynamic of a game is what makes players game breaking players.

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't a gamebreaker.

we probably just disagree on the definition of a gamebreaker.

to me its a player who you know going into the game that they will be difference makers, that you can rely on game to game. like even if they have a bad game they can still win you the game. heck even if the team has a bad game these guys can win you the game. that's gamebreaking.

it's not about changing the dynamic of the game. It's about winning or losing. Gamebreakers you can rely on to do something to win you the game. Like McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar, Kucherov etc those guys are the biggest gamebreakers for me.

We've had Alfredsson, Karlsson, prime Spezza, Hossa as gamebreakers with Stutzle and Sanderson showing that they can join these guys.

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't like those guys.

If you're relying on Brady to be your difference maker to win you the game you are most likely a bad team.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't a gamebreaker.

we probably just disagree on the definition of a gamebreaker.

to me its a player who you know going into the game that they will be difference makers, that you can rely on game to game. like even if they have a bad game they can still win you the game. heck even if the team has a bad game these guys can win you the game. that's gamebreaking.

it's not about changing the dynamic of the game. It's about winning or losing. Gamebreakers you can rely on to do something to win you the game. Like McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar, Kucherov etc those guys are the biggest gamebreakers for me.

We've had Alfredsson, Karlsson, prime Spezza, Hossa as gamebreakers with Stutzle and Sanderson showing that they can join these guys.

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't like those guys.

If you're relying on Brady to be your difference maker to win you the game you are most likely a bad team.

That's a lofty standard you have there though. Those in the first group are legendary players that are top 10 at their position, arguably higher. Karlsson too. At minimum, your whole list is hall of famers, most being generational defining types. That's great and all, but if that's Stutzle and Sanderson, expecting more of that on the team isn't really reasonable. If Brady is in the next tier, they're doing just fine.

 

[Micklebot]

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't a gamebreaker.

we probably just disagree on the definition of a gamebreaker.

to me its a player who you know going into the game that they will be difference makers, that you can rely on game to game. like even if they have a bad game they can still win you the game. heck even if the team has a bad game these guys can win you the game. that's gamebreaking.

it's not about changing the dynamic of the game. It's about winning or losing. Gamebreakers you can rely on to do something to win you the game. Like McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar, Kucherov etc those guys are the biggest gamebreakers for me.

We've had Alfredsson, Karlsson, prime Spezza, Hossa as gamebreakers with Stutzle and Sanderson showing that they can join these guys.

it's not putting down Brady to say that he isn't like those guys.

If you're relying on Brady to be your difference maker to win you the game you are most likely a bad team.

Ok, but bringing it back to the original claim that we need more game breakers, most top teams don't have two of the guys you're listing, that's the point. VGK arguably don't have one at that level.

If you don't want to define Brady as a game breaker, I'm perfectly fine with that. If the standard is top 10 forward, or top 10 Dman, we absolutely should not include Brady. But then you look at a guy like Stone, and say he counts, it gets muddier. If you include Eichel, a little muddier still. you start whittling away at it and and you start to have some tough decisions to make. I think Brady is right around the cutoff where you have the make tough decisions in who to include or not. Just my opinion, based on his overall impact.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That's a lofty standard you have there though. Those in the first group are legendary players that are top 10 at their position, arguably higher. Karlsson too. At minimum, your whole list is hall of famers, most being generational defining types. That's great and all, but if that's Stutzle and Sanderson, expecting more of that on the team isn't really reasonable. If Brady is in the next tier, they're doing just fine.

by definition gamebreaker is a high standard though.

like if we take the literal definition

gamebreaking (comparative more gamebreaking, superlative most gamebreaking) (Internet) Who or which breaks a game, rendering it unchallenging by altering its rules or exploiting loopholes or weaknesses.

or

"Gamebreaking" is a term used to describe something in a game that is so detrimental that it makes the game unplayable or hinders progress:
Glitches
Can disrupt a player's immersion, cause frustration, and make a game unplayable. Glitches can also harm a game's reputation and lead to a decline in player engagement.


At it's highest level isn't "unplayable" "feels like a loophole" "an exploit" "cause frustration" what we described guys like McDavid and Karlsson?

there are tiers though, where Alfredsson and prime Spezza and hopefully Stutzle and Sanderson reside.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

by definition gamebreaker is a high standard though.

like if we take the literal definition

gamebreaking (comparative more gamebreaking, superlative most gamebreaking) (Internet) Who or which breaks a game, rendering it unchallenging by altering its rules or exploiting loopholes or weaknesses.

or

"Gamebreaking" is a term used to describe something in a game that is so detrimental that it makes the game unplayable or hinders progress:
Glitches
Can disrupt a player's immersion, cause frustration, and make a game unplayable. Glitches can also harm a game's reputation and lead to a decline in player engagement.


At it's highest level isn't "unplayable" "feels like a loophole" "an exploit" "cause frustration" what we described guys like McDavid and Karlsson?

there are tiers though, where Alfredsson and prime Spezza and hopefully Stutzle and Sanderson reside.

I get it, I'm just saying that some of those names you threw out, 5 of the 8, are basically the best of the best for the last 20 years, and every single one of them are HOFers other than Spezza. There aren't enough of those generational guys to go around that they should be held up as any kind of standard, but teams still have to find a way to compete. I'm optimistic Stutzle and Sanderson can get close. I see Brady there too personally, but impacting the game in a very different way. In some ways, he may impact the game more than prime Spezza.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Ok, but bringing it back to the original claim that we need more game breakers, most top teams don't have two of the guys you're listing, that's the point. VGK arguably don't have one at that level.

If you don't want to define Brady as a game breaker, I'm perfectly fine with that. If the standard is top 10 forward, or top 10 Dman, we absolutely should not include Brady. But then you look at a guy like Stone, and say he counts, it gets muddier. If you include Eichel, a little muddier still. you start whittling away at it and and you start to have some tough decisions to make. I think Brady is right around the cutoff where you have the make tough decisions in who to include or not. Just my opinion, based on his overall impact.

I'm not even sure Stone is a gamebreaker though. He is borderline.

I think asking whether or not you can rely on a certain player to be the best player on the 1st line/ team and be comfortable with that as the minimum cut off for a gamebreaker.

Detroit, Penguins, Capitals, Tampa, maybe Toronto, Avs, old Avs, old Detroit, 2000s Senators etc all teams that were contenders for the longest time, all teams that had 2+ gamebreakers.

I assume the goal is to be the best team for the longest amount of time, in which case we need another gamebreaker.

I get it, I'm just saying that some of those names you threw out, 5 of the 8, are basically the best of the best for the last 20 years, and every single one of them are HOFers other than Spezza. There aren't enough of those generational guys to go around that they should be held up as any kind of standard, but teams still have to find a way to compete. I'm optimistic Stutzle and Sanderson can get close. I see Brady there too personally, but impacting the game in a very different way. In some ways, he may impact the game more than prime Spezza.

I used those guys as the purest example of gamebreakers. as an example of what the term means to me.

we can't rely on getting those top end guys.

but we should absolutely be looking to add a Point or Aho etc, it would mint us as one of THE teams to beat. which should be the goal. not just to be very good.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I used those guys as the purest example of gamebreakers. as an example of what the term means to me.

Fair enough, just felt like saying something because that was quite the list.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not even sure Stone is a gamebreaker though. He is borderline.

I think asking whether or not you can rely on a certain player to be the best player on the 1st line/ team and be comfortable with that as the minimum cut off for a gamebreaker.

Detroit, Penguins, Capitals, Tampa, maybe Toronto, Avs, old Avs, old Detroit, 2000s Senators etc all teams that were contenders for the longest time, all teams that had 2+ gamebreakers.

I assume the goal is to be the best team for the longest amount of time, in which case we need another gamebreaker.

Ok, so yearly cup contender VGK has no game breakers then. I'm fine with modeling ourselves after them, Stars likely have 1 or none, again, I'm fine with being a contender in the same way they are. Hurricanes have none,

I don't think you can use teams pre-cap as a model for how to succeed today. Heck, even in the early days of the cap, it was a very different reality.

I look at Edm and Toronto, and their multiple game breakers are arguably the reason they can't fill out the depth and always come up short. Idk that I'd want to model our team after either of them.