Value of: Draisaitl New Contract

[AvroArrow]

Lol so he's worth the same as Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse? After 3 50 goal years, 4 100 point seasons, a Hart, Art and Lindsay? All this deserves a measly 1M raise? By percentage that's around the rate of inflation since 2017. Absurd.

No, Jones and Nurse are overpaid and deserve around 6M

I'm judging him for his 5 on 5 production and production without McDavid. Which is still quite good, but not anywhere near where it is while benefiting from McDavid.

 

[zar]

I see him signing $13.5m AAV x 7 years in Dallas.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

He'll get 7 years at max from any team that can fit that.

 

[BlueSeal]

I'd burn down the farm and send a star player to the Oil. Drai's impact on a team can not be overstated. McD and him are wasted in Edmonton because that franchise can't get thier s-it together.

 

[verdi]

One of the Florida teams.
Max deal.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Draisaitl is not leaving McDavid, he loves playing with him.

He’ll sign an extension this summer.

 

[BKarchitect]

It will be the new record deal. No question in my mind. If his agent doesn’t push for a record deal he should get a new agent.

Let’s save the histrionics about his 5v5 play for an actual hockey discussion. Once again, biggest contract doesn’t always (and rarely perhaps) equals best player.

This isn’t about what MacK got when he signed his new deal in 2022. Or what AM got when he signed his new deal this year. We will be yet another year down the road, maybe even two when Drai signs. The wheel turns, money gets greater and the cap goes up and this monster franchise center still be smack in his prime will set the new bar. Temporarily of course.

MacK’s ego “survived” several years where he wasn’t even close to the highest paid player on Colorado and McDavid will survive a year with Drai easily topping the “McDavid cap” if the Oilers want to keep him. It’s ludicrous in the current sporting landscape to tell Drai he has to take less than a deal McDavid signed in freaking 2017.

 

[Some Other Flame]

How many more decades is it going to take before folks realize that there's a salary cap and that the NHLPA can't drive up salaries anymore? Players get 50% of HRR; if Draisaitl gets 20M or 1M, that doesn't change. So guessing like at least a couple more decades given the educations systems in play.

Anyway, I'd be surprised if Draisaitl signs for less than 13M where ever he ends up. He's been underpaid for the entirety of his current deal and it'd make sense to cash in. Guessing around 13.5M with a quieter American team if he's tired of the circus and the "pissy" questions.

 

[3074326]

Matthews isn't McDavid, not even remotely close. McDavid is by FAR the greatest player of his generation. Maroon 30 goals, Hyman having career years, even Draisaitls numbers with McDavid and on the PP with McDavid, vs away from McDavid have a significant difference.

McDavid will inflate any players numbers, it's not exclusive to Drai. If somehow Matthews was on his wing, I legitimately believe he scores 80+ goals, McDavid is THAT dominant.

Draisaitl is more in the range of players like Kyle Connor, Mikko Rantanen, Mitch Marner. If he ever plays on another team, you will see it for yourself. Numbers have people fooled.

I always find the argument against players who produce with elite talent to be very amusing. Why are you holding it against someone who has proven they are capable of producing at that rate? Not everyone can. That's why Drai is the only one who has put up numbers similar to McDavid on the Oilers. McDavid benefits from Draisaitl as well. It's completely ridiculous to think that two great players who play on the same line aren't mutually benefiting from the situation. It's comical. They're able to produce like that because they're both on a different level.

Draisaitl has an extra level that few others have. Anyone who has watched him for a few games has seen it.

This is the same stuff people said about Malkin. It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.

 

[Three On Zero]

I always find the argument against players who produce with elite talent to be very amusing. Why are you holding it against someone who has proven they are capable of producing at that rate? Not everyone can. That's why Drai is the only one who has put up numbers similar to McDavid on the Oilers. McDavid benefits from Draisaitl as well. It's completely ridiculous to think that two great players who play on the same line aren't mutually benefiting from the situation. It's comical.

Draisaitl has an extra level that few others have. Anyone who has watched him for a few games has seen it.

This is the same stuff people said about Malkin. It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.

I don’t think I have ever seen anyone call Malkin a product of Crosby.

Malkin 199 points in 149 games without Crosby and +25

Draisaitl 51 points in 51 games without McDavid and +/- of 0

 

[lucaseider]

No, Jones and Nurse are overpaid and deserve around 6M

I'm judging him for his 5 on 5 production and production without McDavid. Which is still quite good, but not anywhere near where it is while benefiting from McDavid.

Ya, he relied real hard on mcdavid when he won his hart and Lindsey.

 

[GOilers88]

I don’t think I have ever seen anyone call Malkin a product of Crosby

I don't see really any players at all that continually get called passengers or leeches for playing with elite talent. Certainly nobody putting up close to the same numbers either.

 

[McSuper]

Matthews isn't McDavid, not even remotely close. McDavid is by FAR the greatest player of his generation. Maroon 30 goals, Hyman having career years, even Draisaitls numbers with McDavid and on the PP with McDavid, vs away from McDavid have a significant difference.

McDavid will inflate any players numbers, it's not exclusive to Drai. If somehow Matthews was on his wing, I legitimately believe he scores 80+ goals, McDavid is THAT dominant.

Draisaitl is more in the range of players like Kyle Connor, Mikko Rantanen, Mitch Marner. If he ever plays on another team, you will see it for yourself. Numbers have people fooled.

Considering his line mates this year (Brown)it no wonder his numbers are down.
How does McDavid inflate Draisaitl number in the playoff when Draisaitl has outscored McDavid ?

 

[Legion34]

15%aav whatever that is.

So what 14 million ball park?

 

[CraigsList]

My guess is Chicago signing him to 15m x 7 and going to play with Bedard.

 

[OilerSuperstar17]

Actual value, 9.5M

McDavid inflation effect, 12-12.5M

Whatever team pays him that will regret it. Great player but massively over rated by far too many people, he's a star but not top 5 like so many suggest.

Okay, Laffs tard

Damn, so how inflated are the other members of the Leafs core due to playing with Matthews?

Matthews is inflated cause of Marner.

 

[jigglysquishy]

For whatever it's worth, he never stays with the Oilers in my NHL 24 franchise modes. He jumps for ridiculous money.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

In the 12.5-13 range

 

[MoneyManny]

You can't win the Stanley Cup when 2 guys take up so much of the cap. Just can not. They can go HAM, like they did in the 2022 playoffs but that still wasn't nearly enough. These guys can chase the money, that's fine, but they ain't wininng anything till they are much older and sign for a fraction of what they are making now with a Stanley Cup contender. IF he re-signs in Edmonton, he knows full well he ain't winning the cup. I just don't think it's possible.

Welcome to the North American salary cap sports culture where athletes are the ones we expect to pay for their own championships.

 

[gach]

If he doesn't sign with Edmonton next summer what do they do? If he doesn't want to be in Edmonton and makes it to free agency I think he signs in Nashville

 

[Mr Positive]

Considering his line mates this year (Brown)it no wonder his numbers are down.
How does McDavid inflate Draisaitl number in the playoff when Draisaitl has outscored McDavid ?

I don't think his down numbers will have much factor. His body of work and awards are just too good.

If he's financially motivated he will get huge cash.

If he's wanting money but leaving some cash on the table like MacKinnon did he might be the highest paid but 8 years and by a hair (again, like MacKinnon did)

So I'll say 13.5 aav to edge out Matthews in aav.

If he doesn't sign with Edmonton next summer what do they do? If he doesn't want to be in Edmonton and makes it to free agency I think he signs in Nashville

This is a smart suggestion. Drai's numbers vs Nashville are insane, to the point where McDavid is not the biggest talking point when the teams meet. He's given the whole fanbase there ptsd. If Drai hits free agency, the Preds will have the best offer

 

[centipede2233]

Drasaitl and mcdavid will take their talents to Lake Michigan (Detroit) and play for yzerman.

 

[gach]

I don't think his down numbers will have much factor. His body of work and awards are just too good.

If he's financially motivated he will get huge cash.

If he's wanting money but leaving some cash on the table like MacKinnon did he might be the highest paid but 8 years and by a hair (again, like MacKinnon did)

So I'll say 13.5 aav to edge out Matthews in aav.


This is a smart suggestion. Drai's numbers vs Nashville are insane, to the point where McDavid is not the biggest talking point when the teams meet. He's given the whole fanbase there ptsd. If Drai hits free agency, the Preds will have the best offer

I don't think his down numbers will have much factor. His body of work and awards are just too good.

If he's financially motivated he will get huge cash.

If he's wanting money but leaving some cash on the table like MacKinnon did he might be the highest paid but 8 years and by a hair (again, like MacKinnon did)

So I'll say 13.5 aav to edge out Matthews in aav.


This is a smart suggestion. Drai's numbers vs Nashville are insane, to the point where McDavid is not the biggest talking point when the teams meet. He's given the whole fanbase there ptsd. If Drai hits free agency, the Preds will have the best offer

Plus I think Tennessee is state tax free

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Draisaitl is not leaving McDavid, he loves playing with him.

He’ll sign an extension this summer.

But how can Draisaitl be sure that the Oilers will be able to keep McDavid around?

 

[Zybalto]

Considering his line mates this year (Brown)it no wonder his numbers are down.
How does McDavid inflate Draisaitl number in the playoff when Draisaitl has outscored McDavid ?

These numbers are for the previous 3 seasons combined to exclude his current "down" season:

Regular season:

5v5:

McDavid and Draisaitl together:
xGF%: 57.90
GF%: 59.60

McDavid without Draisaitl:
xGF%: 58.62
GF%: 55.73

Draisaitl without McDavid:
xGF%: 48.05
GF%: 52.18

Rest of the team without them on a line:
xGF%: 49.34
GF%: 45.83



On the PK:

McDavid and Draisaitl together: (not enough of a TOI)

McDavid without Draisaitl:
Goals Against/60: 5.22

Draisaitl without McDavid:
Goals Against/60: 11.14

Rest of the team without them on a line:
Goals Against/60: 7.43



On the PP:

McDavid and Draisaitl together:
Goals For/60: 13.27

McDavid without Draisaitl:
Goals For/60: 8.22

Draisaitl without McDavid:
Goals For/60: 6.36

Rest of the team without them on a line:
Goals Against/60: 2.87


In the Playoffs:



5v5:

McDavid and Draisaitl together:
xGF%: 57.83
GF%: 67.28

McDavid without Draisaitl:
xGF%: 60.04
GF%: 48.22

Draisaitl without McDavid:
xGF%: 47.99
GF%: 33.41

Rest of the team without them on a line:
xGF%: 51.00
GF%: 42.12

(not really enough of a TOI for special teams but they are close to the regular season numbers)


Drai and McDavid are an elite combo, especially on the PP where they are one of the greatest pairings ever but I'm not sure how good he would be away from him. The numbers dont look pretty as they take into account his D ability (or lack thereof). Looking at all 55 forwards who have played 400+ 5v5 minutes the last 3 playoffs, Draisaitl leads the NHL......in goals scored against rate while on the ice. The Oilers goaltending situation could be playing a role too of course.

Going to be interesting how it all unfolds.