Proposal: Draisaitl for a cheaper 1 C with a + maybe
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The Moose is Loose
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Yeah I 100% agree. Mackinnon is closer to Nuge than he is to Draisaitl. Nevertheless, I would kill for any of them on the Canes.
The Moose is Loose
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It's not a bad offer, but they don't need defensive D-men, and I don't think that they want to move a potential franchise center within the division to a rival. If that was coming out of conference I think they'd consider it.
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Why would EDM downgrade for no bonus? They are the same age, yet Nylander is smaller, bring less offense, a weaker two-way game, has less experience at the NHL Level, and has far less experience as a center at the NHL level.
Draisaitl is worth significantly more than Nylander. Toronto wouldn't only have to add, they'd have to add a very nice piece.
ChaoticOrange
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It's fair ish value but I wouldn't trade Draisaitl in-division for fair ish value.
He'll get signed at 7.5 - 8 and next offseason we get Fayne off the books, Korpikoski's buyout gone, and I'm guessing RNH or Sekera get moved for cheaper options depending on how Strome looks, the readiness of Puljujarvi / Yamamoto, and whether our young defencemen are ready to fill in.
ChaoticOrange
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Again with absolutely no disrespect intended to Avs fans but why in the hell would a 100 point team trade three key pieces for three key pieces from the worst team in the league? There's just no point to that deal for Edmonton.
ChaoticOrange
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Yep, absolutely zero interest from Edmonton's POV in a Draisaitl for Nylander trade. Same with Marner.
The Moose is Loose
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Maroon only had a 7% increase in point totals from his career year before this one. His goal totals shot up, but as a whole, his offensive output increased from a 39 point pace in 2014-2015 to a 42 point pace in 2016-2017 with McDavid. So McDavid increased his goal totals, as he is an excellent playmaker, but he doesn't spike point totals like everyone claims. Take Draisaitl away from McDavid this past season and I'd expect about 20G, 50A for 70 points total. Not a huge drop, but since McDavid increased Maroon's totals by 7%, we can round up a bit and say Draisaitl loses 10% of production, and falls to 70 points.
I thought the whole point of trading Draisaitl was that he could be too expensive to keep. Another need for the Oilers is a RHD.
The Moose is Loose
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No way, if Puljujarvi was in the 2017 draft he would have gone 1st OA. And Simmonds only has 2 years left. If I was Chia I wouldn't consider that for 1 second.
ChaoticOrange
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Jason Gregor - local sports radio host in Edmonton - threw out this stat the other day:
Of Draisaitl's 77 points, only 25 had direct involvement (G or A) from McDavid. So 52 points with no McDavid influence whatsoever.
Now when you factor in that if he wasn't playing with McDavid - say we ended up 2nd in that draft and got Eichel instead, or maybe 3rd and he was playing C with Eberle on his RW for example - it's pretty safe to say he's a 60+ point player in his own right.
The Moose is Loose
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I'm pretty sure he meant that an extended doughty is worth less than an extended Karlsson
ChaoticOrange
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MacK + Duchene + Barrie is over 17 million dollars coming back. There's no money saved at all. Frankly I have no interest at all in Barrie at 5.5, that's too much for a 2nd pairing guy and we're already paying Sekera that. Duchene has been sliding downhill for years and I really don't want to gamble that he'd put it back together.
Finally the forwards are a wash at best and I think Nurse still has a ton of value.
Not a better team long term, not a better team short term, and we save no money. Ergo no point.
Guy said he wouldn't trade an extended doughty for anyone but mcdavid. So I named an extended better player
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I think I entered a time machine back to the summer of 2014, but there was a malfunction that caused the word "MacKinnon" to be changed to "Draisaitl".
The Moose is Loose
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Yeah that is interesting, and if you took him off McDavid's line, he would still be with another good top 6 guy, it's not like its either McDavid or AHL plugs. I think he could easily get 65+ points as the 2C, not mention even as the 2C he would still spend significant time with McDavid on the PP, so I don't see how his points would drop that much. There is a video on youtube of all 29 of Drai's goals, and I noticed about halfway through how few of them were passes from McDavid. I curious how many of those 25 points were on the PP, as they have this 2 quarterback system, where they basically do a mini cycle between the 2 of them around the hashmarks near the half-wall until they can find a lane. I feel that most of those points that Draisaitl got from McDavid would be on the PP.
hughdreamz
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Duchene > RNH
Barrie > Nurse
Draisaitl and Mack are interesting. Both only have 1 great season under their belts.
Colorado declines.
Barrie and duchene don't matter because they will be too old/ufas before Colorado does anything while nurse could fit into their timeline of hopefully getting better one day.
Hopkins contract will probably run out before the aves are a cup threat tho
Probably saving 1-2 mil per year on Mack vs Draisaitl
Duchene is 2 less years than RNH for same price
Barrie is better than Nurse who is a 3rd pairing guy and due for a raise soon.
I just might pull the trigger on that it was the Oilers. A far fetched trade to be sure.
The Avs should do it to start a new core. Part of the bigger danger of the **** show in Colorado that should bother Avs fans is the potential losing culture wearing off on Mack, Rantanen, Zadorov, etc.
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Duchene only has 2 years left, even so, he is worth a little more than RNH. Although they both had bad seasons.
I'm not sold on Barrie over Nurse, Nurse is a recent 7th OA who has all the physical tools, made great strides this last year, and just turned 22. Barrie turns 26 in 2 weeks. Barrie will always be superior offensively, but Nurse would have more value to Colorado than Barrie would.
Draisaitl>Mack.
ChaoticOrange
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Colorado might not even have Zadorov back, he's apparently got a deal in place in Russia and is trying to squeeze Sakic.
No, that deal is just way too much money coming back. Nurse will get a raise but he won't sniff 5.5 - 3 at the most. RNH I think gets traded for a cheaper option next offseason, and Drai > MacK.
I'm really not a big fan of Duchene and never have been, and his play last season was atrocious. Someone else can try to bring him back.
Alfredo Garcia
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Don't get greedy. We don't need the 2nd.
In fact, I'd pull a Benning and add a 2nd if it got the deal done!
Wrong. You think Draisaitl's scoring rate is going to stay the same playing for Florida? You put Barkov on Edmonton his scoring rate probably increases.
Then Barkov is already signed long term, which Draisaitl isn't. So we would give up a franchise center for a center that may or may not produce more offense, and that's it, that's why we're making the trade? Yeah, no.
