Proposal: Draisaitl for a cheaper 1 C with a + maybe

[orbiter11]

Draistail for Faulk and Rask. D would be set. Rask would be a 55 point center. Maybe even Aho and Faulk is probably perfect value,plus Aho pulvari thing.

 

[yababy]

Where did you read this ? When I say at 8 + million I am talking 8.5 or more . Until Draisaitl proves he can put up big points centring his own line I don't want no part of him at 8.5 or 9 million .

Most Oilers fans still list him as the top RW . If he at 8 he better become a 1B C and be able to carry that line . He did it in the playoffs but the did it all year against the Ducks . We seen player do well against 1 team in the pass amount to very little . He needs to bring it against all teams

I think Oilers should draw a line in the sand at 7.5M over 8 years.
If Drai thinks he's worth more I'd give him a 2 year bridge deal at 5M each to show me.

 

[oilerbear]

If he wants more than 8M, you can keep him. Wouldn't trade MacKinnon for him if that's the case.

Mackinon
last 3 seasons avg:
73gm 17G 31A 48P -8
16-17 2
82gm 16G 37A 53p -14
71 forwards achieved 16/53

RNH
last 3 seasons avg:
71gm 18G 26A 44P -10
16-17
82gm 18G 25A 43p -10
98 forwards achieved 18/43

Draisatl
last 3 seasons avg:
64gm 17G 29A 46P -4
16-17
82gm 29G 48A 77P +7
7 players achieved 29G 77P

Mcdavid 1yr @ 3.775; 8 @ 12.5M
Crosby first 8yr of 12 year contract is 10.9M cap hit.
Kane 10.5M
Kucherov Bridge 3 @ 4.767M; Arb RFA in 2 yr @ 26yr.
Marchand 8yr @ 6.125M
Schiefle 8yr @ 6.125M
Can you name the forwards with really crappy agents?

 

[oilerbear]

Draistail for Faulk and Rask. D would be set. Rask would be a 55 point center. Maybe even Aho and Faulk is probably perfect value,plus Aho pulvari thing.

Oilers just signed a Dman who was .90 EVGA against power.

they signed the 2nd best Dman at creating 0% chance shots.
Russell LD/RD 4 X 4M

they traded for one of the 5 Best power Vs power Dmen
who was 1.83 EVGA with Russel facing toughs.
Larsson RD

Benning RD was a top 60 HD dman.

Faulk is one of the worst Def Dmen in the game and generates even offence like a #14 Fwd.

all but 2 Dmen in the game are mid 4th line Forward offence or worse.

You do not give up a center group that is on par with Malkin Crosby.

Klowe said it best.

when Bettman deserted the canadian teams
not giving them the Phoenix treatment.
they had to give up their top forwards. like Weight; Guerin.

When katz came along they thought Elite Forwards were the base for Cup contention.

Realized it was still Build from net out and Up the Middle with Forwards.

Under MacT they Drafted Nurse; Draisatl; Won the lottery for Mcdavid; MacT arranged the Talbot trade at 2015 deadline; Which Sather commited too cause macT was still with oilers at the draft.

We See a 3 year base of
XXX-Mcdaivid - Caggulia
XXX- Draisaitl - Slepyshev
Lucic - XXX - Puljujarvi
XXX- XXX - Kassian

Russel - Larsson 8.167M
Sekera - Benning 7.617M
Klefbom - XXX 4.167M
Nurse (RFA)

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

I think the right answer to this thread is Carter +, but since he plays in LA it'll never happen.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I think the right answer to this thread is Carter +, but since he plays in LA it'll never happen.

I would say it has more to do with the fact that Carter is 11 years older.

And in those 11 years he only outscored what Draisaitl scored last season once

Sure he's a good player but the + would have to be pretty significant IMO

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

I would say it has more to do with the fact that Carter is 11 years older.

And that in those 11 years he only outscored Drais season last year 1 time.

Sure he's a good player but the + would have to be pretty significant IMO

I'd take contracts into consideration as well, Carter is signed for 5.2 aav for 5 years still. Last year he was having close to a hart like performance until the last 1/4 of the season. 33.2% involved in Kings goals.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I'd take contracts into consideration as well, Carter is signed for 5.2 aav for 5 years still. Last year he was having close to a hart like performance until the last 1/4 of the season. 33.2% involved in Kings goals.

Yeah he is still a hell of a player but in 4 years, carter could be completely done and Draisaitl could be a Kopitar like Center for another decade. Poor asset management trading them for each other even with a pretty big + going back to Edmonton.

But yeah I don't see them trading within the division anyways.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I wonder what Galchenyuk's numbers would look like playing with Hall and McDavid? BTW, Galchenyuk does fit the thread description.

Galchenyuk does not fit the thread description. And his numbers wouldn't be that good, they'd look about the same, similar to RNH.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

How about Draisaitle and Klefbom for Little and Trouba?

Is that a joke?

 

[The Moose is Loose]

no chance. the difference between Draisaitl/Klefbom and Trouba is NOT Bryan Little.

Hell Klefbom is worth more than Trouba 1-for-1

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I think Galch could easily pot 35 g 30 a on McDavid's wing. That plus his lower salary makes me think he could be a centerpiece for Drai. Not sure what Mtl could add.

For a hockey trade from Canes I would offer Pesce plus Rask. Rask isn't a 1C but a good 2C with a good 2 way game and Pesce is a great shutdown RD. I don't know where value like es up but I think it improves Edm on ice.

Galch who has never scored 60 points would jump up to. 35g and 30A? okay. Or he could end up like Eberle and not mesh and still be a 55 point scorer. That is way more likely considering Galch's low hockey IQ and one-way play.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Just throwing it out there, McAvoy for Drai? Have a hard time believing Edmonton would say no.

They'd say no easily.

 

[joestevens29]

Not sure why we'd trade him. You move him then you probably need to spend more on the new guy's wingers. Rather try run with what PIT does and be able to spend less on other players because of the skill they have in Crosby and Malkin.

 

[The Alien]

Well I would have no problem giving up Greg Nemisz (Calgary selected him with Montreals first round pick), Louis Leblanc, Jarred Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu. Those were the 2008 - 2011 picks. 4 consecutive busts or nearly busts (Beaulieu). Even McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen and Sergachev (the 2013-2016 picks) would be fine to give up for Draisaitl. So giving up 4 first rounders might not hurt that much.

Hey man, I'm a Canucks fan. Looking at our firsts when we were decent, it's not pretty either. Giving up Schroeder and Hodgson and Jensen and the pick we turned into Keith Ballard? Yeah that's worth it.

 

[Shootertooter]

If Draisaitl wants more then 8 million . Would there be a team willing to make a trade for him . The ask would be a lessor 1 C coming back plus .

Example

MacKinnon
Seguin . Probably a big fat no from Dallas and I only used him as an example
Duchene ++ base on contract and his down year it would need to be nice pieces added


Montreal . Don't have the pieces so don't offer Plekanic +++ . We are not taking a cap dump .

Looking for long term solutions


Let me add I doubt he gets moved . Just bore and it is a long time until the season gets going

You are accurate with Duchene being lesser, but Seguin and Mackinnon? Probably not.

 

[HabsTown]

Not a C, but both teams trade from strength to fill their respective lineup



Leon Drasaitl
Anton Slepychev



Max Pacioretty
Brendan Gallagher
Tomas Plekanec (50% retained)

Both possible lineups after trade




Pacioretty-McDavid-Gallagher
Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
Maroon-Plekanec-Strome
Jokinen-Letestu-Kassian



Drouin-Draisaitl-Galchenyuk
Hudon-Danault-Lehkonen
Byron-Shaw-Hemsky
Slepychev-Mitchell-McCarron
Holland/Martinsen


As a Habs fan... I take EDM's lineup way before ours

 

[leafsfan1234]

Not a C, but both teams trade from strength to fill their respective lineup



Leon Drasaitl
Anton Slepychev



Max Pacioretty
Brendan Gallagher
Tomas Plekanec (50% retained)

Both possible lineups after trade




Pacioretty-McDavid-Gallagher
Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
Maroon-Plekanec-Strome
Jokinen-Letestu-Kassian



Drouin-Draisaitl-Galchenyuk
Hudon-Danault-Lehkonen
Byron-Shaw-Hemsky
Slepychev-Mitchell-McCarron
Holland/Martinsen


As a Habs fan... I take EDM's lineup way before ours

Leafs will outbid Habs with JVR + Bozak + Lupul (50% retained).

 

[HabsTown]

Leafs will outbid Habs with JVR + Bozak + Lupul (50% retained).

haha

Only thing is

Patche >> JVR
Gallagher > Bozak
Plekanec >> Lupul (is that guy still alive.. such a good player, yet so fragile)

You got Matthews.. leave us alone with Leon

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Not a C, but both teams trade from strength to fill their respective lineup



Leon Drasaitl
Anton Slepychev



Max Pacioretty
Brendan Gallagher
Tomas Plekanec (50% retained)

Both possible lineups after trade




Pacioretty-McDavid-Gallagher
Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
Maroon-Plekanec-Strome
Jokinen-Letestu-Kassian



Drouin-Draisaitl-Galchenyuk
Hudon-Danault-Lehkonen
Byron-Shaw-Hemsky
Slepychev-Mitchell-McCarron
Holland/Martinsen


As a Habs fan... I take EDM's lineup way before ours

Not enough of an incentive for Edmonton to do this. Our wingers are fine as is. You also appear to have shot Drake Caggiula into the atmosphere.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not a C, but both teams trade from strength to fill their respective lineup



Leon Drasaitl
Anton Slepychev



Max Pacioretty
Brendan Gallagher
Tomas Plekanec (50% retained)

Both possible lineups after trade




Pacioretty-McDavid-Gallagher
Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
Maroon-Plekanec-Strome
Jokinen-Letestu-Kassian



Drouin-Draisaitl-Galchenyuk
Hudon-Danault-Lehkonen
Byron-Shaw-Hemsky
Slepychev-Mitchell-McCarron
Holland/Martinsen


As a Habs fan... I take EDM's lineup way before ours

Nope. I'd do Nuge for Gallagher and Plekanec though.



Maroon-McDavid-Gallagher
Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Caggiula-Plekanec-Strome
Jokinen-Letestu-Kassian



Drouin-Nugent-Hopkins-Galchenyuk
Pacioretty-Danault-Lehkonen
Hudon-Shaw-Hemsky
Byron-Mitchell-McCarron
Holland/Martinsen

 

[Caps8112]

Id hate it at first but

Backstrom +
Orpik

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Id hate it at first but

Backstrom +
Orpik

Orpik has no value to us.

 

[Caps8112]

Orpik has no value to us.

of course he doesnt. it equals out that backstrom is the better piece (currently) and gives us caps space to sign Drai

 

[StoicSage]

Draisaitl




Staal
Dumba

Gives a young offensive dman with a high ceiling and cheap 1C for the current ELC window