Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Select 4th Overall

[s7ark]

Even if Day is lazy, he seems like a guy worth gambling on if we're talking 3rd round+.

6'3'' 230lbs and skates like Coffey. You don't see that very often.

If you want a risk/reward pick, he's probably one of the best in quite a while.

Exactly. 3rd rounds are a toss of a dart at a board anyways. May as well aim for the most points even if it's a small chance we make it.

Even if he works his butt off to get an NHL contract, I don't think it'll be worth the pick.

How is that? From what I have read, work ethic is his primary issue. The rest of his skillset is high end NHL level.

 

[McFlyingV]

I'd take a shot on Quenneville with a 3rd pretty easily. Even if he doesn't grow anymore he's got a ton of skill and could end up a Tory krug type D. Worst case you could always try converting him to a winger if his size is too much of an issue

 

[HeavyHitter99]

My boy David Quenneville ties it up only to have Sweden regain the lead

 

[HeavyHitter99]

I'd take a shot on Quenneville with a 3rd pretty easily. Even if he doesn't grow anymore he's got a ton of skill and could end up a Tory krug type D. Worst case you could always try converting him to a winger if his size is too much of an issue

People put too much stock into height. He battles and hits hard. His lack of height hasn't had a negative affect on his ability to see over players all season either.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Chychrun leads the play up ice and then ends up finishing it off with a goal. Jost with the assist to set the record for the most points in a U18 by a Canadian (beating a 16 year old McDavid)

Chychrun came to play today and has been much better than Fabbro.

 

[Soundwave]

Chychrun leads the play up ice and then ends up finishing it off with a goal. Jost with the assist to set the record for the most points in a U18 by a Canadian (beating a 16 year old McDavid)

Chychrun came to play today and has been much better than Fabbro.

So Jost's stock is probably up I'm guessing.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

So Jost's stock is probably up I'm guessing.

Not really, he was always considered a top 15 talent just people worried about the league he plays in. Maybe he goes closer to 10th now. Barzal had a great U18 last year and he actually dropped on draft day.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Canada and Sweden going to the shoutout.

For everyone that didn't watch Chychrun this year but have been crapping on his U18, I suggest you watch this game, he has been fantastic in this one when his team needed him against another top team. A goal, 2 assist and by my count 6 shots. This is the Chychrun I've loved the last couple years.

I don't say this often about a player but wow is Stanley awful and is confirming my thoughts from my viewing of him in the OHL. Zero hockey sense, pathetic decision making in the offensive zone, isn't consistently physical, doesn't keep players out of the crease and is easily beat in battles. By far the worst player on team Canada and maybe on the ice in this game. Oh but he is tall so he'll go first round

Edit: Sweden wins in the shootout so Canada will face the U.S. In the bronze game.

 

[Soli]

They showed an interview with Chia during the 2nd intermission. He mentioned he liked what he saw from Jost and Chychrun before saying he can't say too much.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Laziness can be cured. The Oilers have extra 3rds. I'd be willing to take a chance on him. His skillset is extreme top end.

Agreed, you don't want to have an entire draft of 'lazy" players but if there's one guy with high end skills and size you take him and hope that he somehow gets a fire lit under his ass. Kylington had a ton of ?'s last year and seems like a solid pick for the Flames at least so far.

 

[Spawn]

My question in regards to Sean Day, is does he actually have high end skill/potential? Or is he just an elite skater who grew into his body when he was like 13.

If he had high end skill, along with the physical tools he has, he should be dominating junior regardless of if he was lazy or not.

 

[McDNicks17]

My question in regards to Sean Day, is does he actually have high end skill/potential? Or is he just an elite skater who grew into his body when he was like 13.

If he had high end skill, along with the physical tools he has, he should be dominating junior regardless of if he was lazy or not.

He doesn't have high-end skill.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have a high ceiling though. Take a guy like Davidson and make him 6'3'' 230lbs and give him Coffey's skating and he's going to have a pretty high ceiling.

 

[McDoused]

Canada and Sweden going to the shoutout.

For everyone that didn't watch Chychrun this year but have been crapping on his U18, I suggest you watch this game, he has been fantastic in this one when his team needed him against another top team. A goal, 2 assist and by my count 6 shots. This is the Chychrun I've loved the last couple years.

I don't say this often about a player but wow is Stanley awful and is confirming my thoughts from my viewing of him in the OHL. Zero hockey sense, pathetic decision making in the offensive zone, isn't consistently physical, doesn't keep players out of the crease and is easily beat in battles. By far the worst player on team Canada and maybe on the ice in this game. Oh but he is tall so he'll go first round

Edit: Sweden wins in the shootout so Canada will face the U.S. In the bronze game.

Chychrun to me, is still the best defenceman in the draft. He is the most complete dman and has an effortless stride. I think he's a pretty safe bet to be an NHL dman. The other dmen in this draft are just too much of a boom/bust to me. Having high scoring defenceman is great and all but I'm not sure anyone is considered "elite". Juolevi seems like a bean pole to me. I'm not sure he's going to tough it out in a physical western conference. Sergachev isn't over physical either and actually scares me as another Russian player coming to Edmonton. I'm not sure Fabbro has the speed or offense to be a real factor in the offensive zone, the BCHL scares me a bit too. Bean looks like he might be a real gem but even then he's still got a lot of muscle to gain.

 

[PKSpecialist]

The thing with Day is that he, like most of the players that will be draft eligible, is 18 years old. Go back to when you were 18. Are you the same person today that you were then? Kids do a lot of growing up, and it isn't magically done when you get drafted to the NHL. Remember also, that Day has had a rough go of it this season with what has happened to his brother and all. Perhaps he is mentally strong enough to withstand the pressures he is currently under. But he is 18. Doesn't mean when he is 24 he won't be able to withstand pressures, in fact, his experiences may make him better prepared to handle some of those pressures. The old what doesn't kill you makes you stronger adage.

With Day's skating and size, there is an extremely high chance of him becoming an NHL defenseman one day(even if it's only as a 3rd pairing guy). If there is an extremely high chance of someone making the NHL and he is available post-2nd round, it is not a bad risk to take.

edit: This is where scouting comes into effect to. Scouts/GMs have the opportunity to talk to these kid's coaches/teachers/parents etc. They can really dig into the past of some of these players with questionable character/drive. If they believe that the issues that are holding a kid back now can be eliminated in the future, then you take the chance on kids like this.

 

[PBandJ]

My question in regards to Sean Day, is does he actually have high end skill/potential? Or is he just an elite skater who grew into his body when he was like 13.

If he had high end skill, along with the physical tools he has, he should be dominating junior regardless of if he was lazy or not.

It's the latter, and a piss poor work ethic that is hurting him badly.

He might be a #7 D at the NHL level if he's lucky.

 

[40oz]

Since his rookie (exceptional) season Day watched his older brother get incarcerated for a fatal drunk driving accident and his mother in and out of the hospital with Lupus.

He got labelled lazy or uncommitted because he left the team to be with his family during the season and because he showed up for camp overweight. Seems unfair to me. He addresses it in this article.

 

[SDig14]

I've never even seen him play other than a few times on TV, but seems strange for so many on here to say he has a terrible work ethic when no one even knows the kid personally.

It might be the case, but seems to be other factors as well.

Has he been really bad this year for people that have watched him a lot?

 

[oilz89*]

So, uh, Chychrun seems to have gotten some really bad reviews for his play at the U18's. Anyone here that's been watching and could expand on that? I'm not really sure what to think of the player at this point.

I only got to watch the quarter final game. He was pretty terrible defensively. Outmuscled and made some poor decisions. He's definitely not a guy thats NHL ready. Reminds me of Ryan Murray but maybe a bit more craftier and flashier. I'm suspect on him

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Since his rookie (exceptional) season Day watched his older brother get incarcerated for a fatal drunk driving accident and his mother in and out of the hospital with Lupus.

He got labelled lazy or uncommitted because he left the team to be with his family during the season and because he showed up for camp overweight. Seems unfair to me. He addresses it in this article.

Thanks for this. So obviously there have been some very rough things going on with him off the ice. Many look at athletes like machines, they are human and family issues can definitely creep into your professional life.

 

[oilz89*]

Im starting to think Dubios is slam dunk pick at 4th (or 5th if he makes it)

Another forward I know. But dude is a legit PWF and good two way player. Plus he can play any wing, center, pk, PP. Hed be TMs Pavelski

I reallly do think MTL wants Dubois which is why were hearing about us trading our pick if its top 4. Dubois will be great but I am down to trade it if its Subban

 

[alphahelix]

I reallly do think MTL wants Dubois which is why were hearing about us trading our pick if its top 4. Dubois will be great but I am down to trade it if its Subban

IF we have the Laine pick I'd realllly struggle with trading it. Otherwise, hell yea. Let them have Dubois.

 

[BarBeauWahlDobLok]

If the Oilers hold in the top 3, I think they'd be making a tremendous error in trading their pick. If they pick 1st, they have to take Auston Matthews, OR, if Phoenix is picking in the top 3, they might want to have a conversation with whoever their management is.

It's well known that you need a defenseman, but you're not passing on a guy who's been compared to Bryan Trottier or a Finnish winger who could Connor McDavid's Jari Kurri.

A part of me wants the Oilers to win the 1st overall pick, just because it's funny. I reject the notion that the Oilers tank and I reject the notion the lottery is rigged. Gary Bettman wanting Connor McDavid in Edmonton? Come on.

There should not be a limit on how many times a team can win the first, second, or third pick in the lottery. It's luck, nothing more than that. Why should a team be eliminated from picking the next great player just because they've won in previous years? And if so, doesn't this compel another team to tank knowing that there's a team that CAN'T win the lottery?

 

[oilz89*]

We just won the lotterry on the Simulator on HNIC. George Strombooglsoofjs spun it. Top 3 were

Oilers
Leafs
Canadiens

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I wouldn't be against Day in the 3rd round, but honestly I'm skeptical of tools without without a toolbox, especially when they don't possess elite talent with the puck.


He's sounds like a Shawn Belle clone.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

There should not be a limit on how many times a team can win the first, second, or third pick in the lottery. It's luck, nothing more than that. Why should a team be eliminated from picking the next great player just because they've won in previous years? And if so, doesn't this compel another team to tank knowing that there's a team that CAN'T win the lottery?

Honestly I've got no problem saying a team can't pick in the top 2/3 or even 5 the year after picking 1OV. Knowing that your pick is limited will encourage teams teams to improve quicker. Apply it to the Oilers this year: we got McDavid last year, so we know we're not pick top5, I'm going to be way more open to moving that pick for a Shattenkirk or Vatanen, than protecting it.

However the changes to the lottery over the last few years are just foolish, and the latest ones have gone a long way to destroying the TDL. 3 chances to move up to the top of the draft if you miss the playoffs; even with terrible odds, no GM of a bubble team is going to give up that chance. There's a reason why lottery tickets are popular.

Just return it too the old model of 1 shot to move up 5 slots, and the last years winner being excluded from the proceedings.