Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[dustrock]

Seems like the only thing keeping Dahlen from being a first rounder is his skating.

 

[suddeninterest]

Yeah if you think about it, if we really want to draft a Dman I think 4th to Ari for 7th and 20th would be a pretty safe deal. Ari would take Tkachuk, Van would take either a Dman or Dubois, and Calgary would take either Dubois, Brown, or a Dman depending if Van takes Dubois. So basically we are guaranteed one of Chychrun or Serg and probably could chose between either. And at 20 I could see one of Jost, Fabbro, McAvoy falling, and we could always move up a couple spots too. Coming out of the first round with Serg/Chychrun and one of those guys would be excellent.

 

[PKSpecialist]

we have to get Cliff Pu thats the best hockey name ive seen in a long time

Does he wear #2?

 

[MoneyGuy]

Does he wear #2?

No, but he should.

"There goes Pu, number 2."

 

[tinfish]

Yakupov was clearly the best player in his junior class. Sometimes it does not turn out that players progress as anticipated. But if Yak right now was a 30-30 winger as many of us thought he would be he'd have a lot more value.

Hanifin and Provorov were both in the mix vs guys like Marner and Strome for 3-6 last year. This year I think it is safe to say that there is a clear gap between a guy like Tkachuk and the defensemen at the top of the pack. You can't ignore that. If your target is a defenseman I think you have to move down and get something more.

I think marner and strome are good comparisons to Dubois and Tkachuk. I'd rather have hanifin, or provorov in our system. Both LD as well. It really is a great comparison. I don't know if Chychrun, joulevi, or sergachev is the best d. But if the Oilers can identify the best d I think they should take him.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Arizona needs a stud D-man for their top 4. In fact, part of why Don Maloney was fired was because they didn't acquire Dougie Hamilton.

They are going to be interested in Juolevi, Chychrun and Sergachev.

Just because Tkachuk is from Arizona, doesn't mean he fits team need.

 

[tinfish]

Arizona needs a stud D-man for their top 4. In fact, part of why Don Maloney was fired was because they didn't acquire Dougie Hamilton.

They are going to be interested in Juolevi, Chychrun and Sergachev.

Just because Tkachuk is from Arizona, doesn't mean he fits team need.

I don't think it's written in stone that calgary, or vancouver take a dman either. Chychrun would give calgary a lethal top 4 in a couple years. Vancouver would probably love to snag Dubois, but it's not like they have any stud dmen in the pipeline.

 

[Fourier]

Arizona needs a stud D-man for their top 4. In fact, part of why Don Maloney was fired was because they didn't acquire Dougie Hamilton.

They are going to be interested in Juolevi, Chychrun and Sergachev.

Just because Tkachuk is from Arizona, doesn't mean he fits team need.

Add to that that he grew up in St. Louis and identifies St. Louis as his home, not Phoenix.

 

[The Nuge]

Arizona needs a stud D-man for their top 4. In fact, part of why Don Maloney was fired was because they didn't acquire Dougie Hamilton.

They are going to be interested in Juolevi, Chychrun and Sergachev.

Just because Tkachuk is from Arizona, doesn't mean he fits team need.

Arizona has a top 5 dman in OEL, and 2 good 2nd pairing guys in Stone and Murphy. Plus, there's a good chance they could bring back Yandle. With the ridiculous depth of prospects up front, a dman makes sense for their pick, but the average age of their top 3 dmen is 24. There isn't a huge rush to change anything back there

 

[McDoused]

Arizona has a top 5 dman in OEL, and 2 good 2nd pairing guys in Stone and Murphy. Plus, there's a good chance they could bring back Yandle. With the ridiculous depth of prospects up front, a dman makes sense for their pick, but the average age of their top 3 dmen is 24. There isn't a huge rush to change anything back there

I love how their are like 15 top five defenceman in the NHL these days.

Anyways, can someone please explain the Juolevi love to me. I see him as a solid NHL player but I don't get how he's the top ranked defenceman by some scouts/fans. I get Chychrun and Sergachev but not Juolevi. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say Bean and McAvoy are more dynamic on the blueline. Juolevi seems like he kind of does everything well but it's really great at anything. He has a great first pass out of the zone and does a good job chipping the puck off the boards but that's about it. He's like Jan Hejda to me. Is that really worth a 4th overall pick? I honestly don't see a huge jump between him and a guy like Cam Dineen.

 

[RipsADrive]

I love how their are like 15 top five defenceman in the NHL these days.

Anyways, can someone please explain the Juolevi love to me. I see him as a solid NHL player but I don't get how he's the top ranked defenceman by some scouts/fans. I get Chychrun and Sergachev but not Juolevi. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say Bean and McAvoy are more dynamic on the blueline. Juolevi seems like he kind of does everything well but it's really great at anything. He has a great first pass out of the zone and does a good job chipping the puck off the boards but that's about it. He's like Jan Hejda to me. Is that really worth a 4th overall pick? I honestly don't see a huge jump between him and a guy like Cam Dineen.

Good question. I was wondering the same thing.

I think Button had us picking him at 4 on That's Hockey.

His rationale was that you can't trade for guys like that, you need to draft them.

 

[McDoused]

Good question. I was wondering the same thing.

I think Button had us picking him at 4 on That's Hockey.

His rationale was that you can't trade for guys like that, you need to draft them.

I guess that's true. He has a pretty high floor and a safe pick as far as defenceman go. He just doesn't have the offensive instincts and swag that a Sergachev has or the dominating physical side or skating that Chychrun has. Juolevi has oodles of hockey sense but I think hockey sense is kind of overrated. I mean look at Taylor Hall, he's not the smartest player on the ice and he doesn't have to be. I think Chia will be looking for guys that are solid and hard to play against. That doesn't scream Juolevi to me.

 

[Stud Muffin]

I love how their are like 15 top five defenceman in the NHL these days.

Anyways, can someone please explain the Juolevi love to me. I see him as a solid NHL player but I don't get how he's the top ranked defenceman by some scouts/fans. I get Chychrun and Sergachev but not Juolevi. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say Bean and McAvoy are more dynamic on the blueline. Juolevi seems like he kind of does everything well but it's really great at anything. He has a great first pass out of the zone and does a good job chipping the puck off the boards but that's about it. He's like Jan Hejda to me. Is that really worth a 4th overall pick? I honestly don't see a huge jump between him and a guy like Cam Dineen.

Juolevi dosent anything great?
Smartest player/ best passer in the draft.

 

[McDNicks17]

Juolevi dosent anything great?
Smartest player/ best passer in the draft.

Yet he's putting up Nurse/Reinhart numbers on the highest scoring team in the CHL.

I think people are putting way too much weight into the World Juniors when it comes to Juolevi.

 

[McDoused]

Juolevi dosent anything great?
Smartest player/ best passer in the draft.

So does that mean he's the next Adam Larsson? Maybe I haven't seen enough from him but I haven't seen a whole lot that shows me that he's so incredibly smart. I mean, he has a TON of space on the ice. Playing with talented players in London and with Finland seems like a cake-walk. He has a good shot that opposing forwards don't challenge because they are too busy double teaming the forwards. Goaltenders at the NHL level aren't going to let those shots in and forwards will block the shots. He makes smart plays but it just seems like a complimentary addition. He doesn't drive the play or rush the puck like a Segachev or battle in front of the net like Chychrun.

 

[suddeninterest]

I would say Juolevi probably doesn't have the shot (velocity and release) to be a game breaking force from the blue line. To score goals as a Dman you either need to have an elite release (OEL, Gio) or a bomb (Weber, Burns). He doesn't have either. He is however an elite passer, solid skater and smart. I think he probably turns into a slightly better Tanev or Hjalmarsson, or maybe Brodie as best case. In which I would agree that those are guys that you can't really trade for because they can play against the other team's best but they don't cost you a fortune because the offense doesn't justify it. I don't think I'd take him at 4,5,6 though as personally I'd want the potential for a little more game breaking offense there. Which Chychrun and Serg have over Juolevi. I could see Buf, Ari, Mtl, taking him because they already have that elite (or potential) offensive Dman but would really like a cheaper solid #2.

 

[Zaddy]

Yet he's putting up Nurse/Reinhart numbers on the highest scoring team in the CHL.

I think people are putting way too much weight into the World Juniors when it comes to Juolevi.

I'd actually say playing on London hurts his offense, not boost it. There's only so many points to go around on every goal. Most goals Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk all have a point. If Juolevi breaks up an attack from the opposing team in his own zone then lugs the puck up to the forwards and then they cycle it around between each other before scoring Juolevi doesn't get any points. It's incredibly rare to have 3 forwards on your team combine for 340 points in the regular season. It's not like Londons defense is bad either, they have a very deep group and another good offensive D in Mete that gets quality minutes too. Either way, I don't understand people knocking on him for his production. He is producing at roughly a 0.75PPG pace and has 14 points in 18 games in the playoffs. How is that bad exactly?

At the end of the day, Juolevi is likely never going to be as dynamic in the offensive zone as Sergachyov or Chychrun but I'd trust him a lot more playing big minutes against good opposition than either of those two. I know raab goes on about how rare it is for a rookie to win OHL d-man of the year award, but I'd say it's equally if not more rare to be the best defenseman in the WJC as a draft-eligible player. Chychrun didn't even make a weak Team Canada blueline. Sergachyov I believe didn't get a try out but should've been on Team Russia IMO.

 

[McDoused]

I'd actually say playing on London hurts his offense, not boost it.

This is one of the weirdest things I've read on here. I've seen quite a few highlight goals from Juolevi where he either A) Just does a 5 foot pass to a player to pick up an assist or B) Springs a forward forward and they blow by the defenceman.

He seems like he is a good possession player with a strong transition game. He just doesn't wow me in any way. With Klefbom and Sekera on the left side, is he going to be better then either of those guys or bring something they don't?

If he can be an Adam Larsson I'm okay picking him but is he that good?

 

[40oz]

Quite the praise for McLeod, seems like another option if the Oilers trade down.

The other main change in the top five was moving Mississauga center Michael McLeod into the top three following his first-round performance in the OHL playoffs where he almost willed his team to a huge upset over the high-powered Barrie Colts.

Other OHL players put up better stats in the first round, but none played harder, or with a more rounded all-around game.

“It’s rare to see a player with his motor,†noted one scout. “You think of Taylor Hall and Nathan MacKinnon as comparables in terms of his engine, but even they weren’t as consistently revved up as this kid. He simply never has an average effort or a poor game. He is always contributing even when he’s not producing. He will help an NHL team win playoff games..maybe championships.â€

McLeod had three goals and six assists in the seven game series, as well as providing top-notch defensive effort, particularly on the penalty kill. He was also sensational in the faceoff circle, averaging close to 70 per cent.

“He had one overtime game where he won more faceoffs than the entire Barrie team combined,†marveled one scout. “The intangibles he brings in addition to his terrific speed make him a can’t miss prospect. He is going to be a top two center with size, speed, grit, faceoff prowess, penalty killing abilites..what is there not to like? He may never lead the league in scoring..but neither will Jonathan Toews. This kid is a winner.â€

One scout compared him to Dylan Larkin in his draft year. “Scouts were raising issues about Larkin’s offensive upside in his draft year. I don’t see them doing that now. I hear the same thing with McLeod..and I’m reminded of Larkin. McLeod’s size, speed and tremendous competitiveness translate well to the NHL game….he’ll produce at the next level. He will be a big-time crowd favourite wherever he plays, and his coach will love him.â€

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-apr-2016/

 

[McDoused]

Quite the praise for McLeod, seems like another option if the Oilers trade down.




http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-apr-2016/

Seems like quite the polarizing player. Man do the people over on Montreal board seem to hate this kid for some reason. Personally I really like him, one of those elusive RH centres with size that teams covet.

 

[40oz]

Seems like quite the polarizing player. Man do the people over on Montreal board seem to hate this kid for some reason. Personally I really like him, one of those elusive RH centres with size that teams covet.

He really does. I'm no expert on the kid, only seen him a couple of times, but I came away impressed because of his motor and his "pro" style game. I think that the biggest question is his offensive upside and McKeens believes his skating will help his offense translate to the NHL like it did for Larkin (he was under PPG and 7th on team scoring for the USNDTP) but I don't think it's quite so simple.

 

[Giggli G]

I will cry if we draft Juolevi.

 

[suddeninterest]

I will cry if we draft Juolevi.

Yeah I can't see it, Chia also kind of hinted that if we take a D it will be Chychrun or Serg. Well either that or he's doing some reverse psych.

 

[Giggleplex]

Yeah I can't see it, Chia also kind of hinted that if we take a D it will be Chychrun or Serg. Well either that or he's doing some reverse psych.

Source?

 

[McWeber]

Source?

Pre-draft lottery live Facebook interview. Was asked to describe players and give his thoughts. Both Chychrun and especially Sergachyev had glowing reviews compared to Juolevi.