This is a good draft. No doubt Dubois and Tkachuk could be top line NHL players. Certainly they can with McDavid or Draisaitl as their C.
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lakai17
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Many scouts have Juolevi over Chychrun now.
Mainly I would go with either Sergachev or Juolevi at #4 if selecting a d. Edmonton will most likely have the option at selecting the first d on the board.
I am also very high on Dubois. Cape Breton is a great program. Dubois can arguably go at #3. Jamie Benn elements to his game.
Have to draft at #4.
Mainly I would go with either Sergachev or Juolevi at #4 if selecting a d. Edmonton will most likely have the option at selecting the first d on the board.
I am also very high on Dubois. Cape Breton is a great program. Dubois can arguably go at #3. Jamie Benn elements to his game.
Have to draft at #4.
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Juolevi scares me tbh. He's a great puck mover, but very little about his offensive game screams elite to me. His point totals in London are also very poor considering their top line. If we're taking a D I'd prefer Chychrun or Sergachev, although I still think Chychrun is the safest choice with Sergachev having high boom/bust potential.
Dubois would be my first choice, but I wouldn't be mad if we took Tkachuk because he's another feisty hard working player with skill and once he fills out he could be a gallagher/marchand (style wise) type player, but at a 6'1 210~ frame.
Dubois would just be a great fit though to finish adding size to the team down the road in the top 9.
Then there's the dream that Pulju slips because CLB needs a centre which would be ideal due to his RH shot and size. Not to mention his high IQ and elite skating.
Yeah but you also proclaimed that Nurse was the biggest bust of the 2013 draft when he was drafted so....
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I want Juolevi, but I understand wanting Dubois there. I just cant justify us taking another forward, even if logically makes sense.
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Look at what everyone took in the picks before and after him are doing. This is going to turn into Parise all over again. Lindholm played after the draft 2 seasons at 39 points and contributing on one of the worst teams in hockey, Monahan 27 goal 63 point season, Ristolainen 41 point season and #1 dman for the Sabres, Horvat 40 point season and looking promising for the canucks, Nichuskin obviously isn't doing as well and needs work, Morin is still in the AHL but had a good season and has the size and skill scouts drool over, Max Domi just had a 52 point season in Phoenix, Josh Morrissey just had a great season in the AHL and is tracking well, and Ryan Pulock also had a great season in the AHL and tracking well. Had 3 points in 6 playoff games with the Islanders.
Its embarrassing that nothing has changed since 2003, were still chasing size instead of looking at the overall package. As I said at the draft if Nurse was 5'11" 180lbs he would have been a 2nd round pick and I stand by it. Being 6'4" and 190lbs and playing a bit more physical blinded MacT from all the deficiencies in his game. Which he still has at the NHL level I might add.
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You're contradicting yourself here.
I'm not a fan of Samuel Morin and his size is why he was drafted as high as he was.
How can you mention Morin in the comparisons section and then complain about Nurse being a product of chasing size?
I think Nurse was a good prospect when the Oilers drafted him and he still has plenty of time to develop into something good.
Did I prefer Ristolainen at the time? Just a smidgen maybe, but then again, I also liked Nichushkin and hip surgery may have ruined him as a player.
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Not contradicting myself at all. Morin has more skill then Nurse, if he was 6'1 185lbs he'd still be a good hockey player worth taking in the top 20 of the draft. Nurse was taken because of his skating and size.
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I feel Charlie McAvoy is being severely underrated and I have to start pushing him here on the boards. I feel he could very well be the best dman in this draft. He put up solid numbers as a freshman in the NCAA... every bit as good as Hanifin/Werenski did last season.
He's got solid size at 6' 208 lbs and has a mean streak to go along with it. Skates well... heavy shot... good on the PP. Plus he's a RH shot... which is a huge bonus.
Here's a short write up...
The Draft Analyst - March 25, 2016 - "He’s a confident puck carrier who attacks openings with speed, but can also slow it down and patiently weigh his options. Always moving his feet, McAvoy is capable of slipping through gaps without the puck, or stickhandling around traffic while keeping the puck close to his body. He has a heavy shot that can be delivered with accuracy, and his passes are tape to tape, An undervalued part of his game is physicality, which gets him in hot water as he’s still learning the difference between a timely, legal bone-crushing hit and gross negligence of the rule book."
I'll go on record right now saying I think this is the dman the Oilers should take in the 1st round with their pick.
Yes even at #4... but obviously since he's not regarded that highly by many... trading down to snag him would be optimal... but I really hope they do pick him somehow as I think he has #1D potential and the fact he's a RHD is a nice bonus.
He's my personal pick over all other players in this draft for that #4 pick of the Oilers.
He's got solid size at 6' 208 lbs and has a mean streak to go along with it. Skates well... heavy shot... good on the PP. Plus he's a RH shot... which is a huge bonus.
Here's a short write up...
The Draft Analyst - March 25, 2016 - "He’s a confident puck carrier who attacks openings with speed, but can also slow it down and patiently weigh his options. Always moving his feet, McAvoy is capable of slipping through gaps without the puck, or stickhandling around traffic while keeping the puck close to his body. He has a heavy shot that can be delivered with accuracy, and his passes are tape to tape, An undervalued part of his game is physicality, which gets him in hot water as he’s still learning the difference between a timely, legal bone-crushing hit and gross negligence of the rule book."
I'll go on record right now saying I think this is the dman the Oilers should take in the 1st round with their pick.
Yes even at #4... but obviously since he's not regarded that highly by many... trading down to snag him would be optimal... but I really hope they do pick him somehow as I think he has #1D potential and the fact he's a RHD is a nice bonus.
He's my personal pick over all other players in this draft for that #4 pick of the Oilers.
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How do you feel if Chia gets you Dante Fabbro or Logan Stanley with a late first rounder instead?
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if we like McAvoy, we could trade down and take the 6th overall and 20th (Arizona has both). Since Tkachuk is Arizona-born we could probably get more actually. But anyway, if we did that then we could either trade or use the 6th, and grab McAvoy with the 20th if he's still available. That's risky considering he could be gone by 20, but there are probably lots of interesting players there. Of course maybe if an opportunity comes up we could trade up from 20 with something.
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I like McAvoy, but haven't watched him enough to determine if he's making an individual effort or if he's being helped greatly by his teammates.
Oksanen, Grzelcyk, Fortunato, Hickey....Boston College D is stacked.
I tend to like McAvoy from the limited WJC I saw of him.
nexttothemoon
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How do you feel if Chia gets you Dante Fabbro or Logan Stanley with a late first rounder instead?
"Instead of" McAvoy... not great... "In addition to" McAvoy.... great.
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I know what you mean... draft a "safer" forward like Tkachuk/Dubois early in the 1st and then somehow get a later 1st to nab a more "risky" dman with that pick. Decent strategy... but I really would like them to pick McAvoy and he won't be around late in the 1st. He'll likely go somewhere in the 10-15 range.
I don't really see the Oilers moving up in the draft to get another 1st round pick anyway. If anything they'll likely be using draft picks to get actual NHL players for their roster.
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nexttothemoon
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I'd definitely be on board for trading the #4 to Arizona for #7 and #20. I don't know if that's fair value or not (probably close if they value Tkachuk highly enough)... but certainly it would let the Oilers get two solid prospects in the 1st round instead of 1... or use one (or both) of those 1sts to help acquire actual NHL players.
Alternative trade down scenario...
#4 to Coyotes for #7 and #20
#7 to Hurricanes for #13 and #23
#13 to Leafs for #27 and #31
Oilers have picks #20, #23, #27, #31, #32
Should be able to get some solid prospects and/or NHL players with that.
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VainGretzky
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Tkachuk now averaging 2 ppg as a rookie in OHL stats including playoffs
GP G A PTS
73 49 97 146 These stats are better then Halls last season and need serious consideration over Dubois imo.
GP G A PTS
73 49 97 146 These stats are better then Halls last season and need serious consideration over Dubois imo.
nexttothemoon
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He's having a hell of a playoffs... hopefully it continues into the Memorial Cup so that #4 pick has maximum value.
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Mckenzie says 9/10 scouts have him over Dubois really don't see why Dubois gets all the love on HF Oil he gets.
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Over 200 pounds. Over 100 PIMs. Oilers fans dream of those players.
The two prospects are close, Tkachuk is probably better.
Dubois being a Benn-like player though has us salivating (even though we should probably trade the pick).
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Can't speak for everyone obviously, but for me personally the fact that Dubois plays C tips the scales in his favor. The idea of having him play on McDavid or Drai's wing, then shift to the middle if one of them gets hurt is awesome to me. Similar to what Dallas does with Benn and Seguin.
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Bpa every time and Dubois is not a natural Center he was moved there this season.
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I've watched alot of Tkachuks games (been watching the knights since Kane was there) and I agree, he'll be a good player for you guys if you take him. Alot of people might think he's a Sam Gagner but Gagner was never the presence MT has been for the knights IMO.
Anyways, only dropping by to see what teams that might take him were saying about him.
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I mean, Tkachuk is 195 with 80 PIMs. Seems pretty negligible.
Only real concern is that he's being inflated by Marner, but from what I hear that isn't the case. If anybody is the "Gagner" of the group, it's Dvorak.
I think either would be a good pick at 4, and I think they're the obvious 4/5 of the draft. If the Oilers are picking at 4, it'll be one of those two.
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BPA, all day and every day. you CAN make trades if you select meaningful players.
A d-man is also 2-3 years away from helping this team. I think there is 1 dman who is ready to step up next year and that is IT. All SHOULD finish junior and get at least a year in the A but no doubt teams will rush 1 or 2.
If Puljujarvi happens to slip to 4...we take him. no debate. But its highly unlikely with their GM. Id like to see CLB try a trade with WINN to get 2 in addition to 3. Just for the popcorn fun watching the draft.
If things go as planned in spots 1-2-3, id be happy to trade down should ARI offer a good player OR add in #20 with their #6. I just do not see that happening. I do not think there is much value differential at this stage between prospects rated between 4-8/9. It is really which player you think has the game for your team at that point.
As for players NOT playing Centre much. I would suggest the defensive acumen is what makes a centre. Coaching can make systems where plays flow through a winger, OR DMAN. Its the defensive responsibilities and IQ that you want to see in a Centre. To me I look at a guy like Seguin and i still see a winger who is playing in the pivot spot (and i am a fan of his--so this i'm not a guy slinging mud). Just calling a spade a spade. By the same token i would look at a guy like PULJUJARVI and see how he is often chosen by his coaches to have plays run through him...and see his defensive skills and high IQ and see him as a very Centre-centrique
player.The finish teams often remind me of 90s Czech and Slovak teams that often chose one wing to use as their outlet...basically turning the rink 45 degrees and attacking sideways. (and thus overloading constantly in the opposite wing while neutralizing the opposition attack to the opposite boards.) If that winger happens to be great defensively as well...than he is basically playing centre - minus the majority draws
anyways. i am happy with picking 4. I wanted Laine but really i think ive had enough of these top picks. i was happy to see us fall. Not happy about CLB getting the 3rd but there are a couple teams in the LOTTO that i am very happy got pushed further down. So all and all i a fine with the results. And Toronto, as much as i hate the media crap..Toronto deserved to win this Lotto and they need to tak Mathews. I think Laine is Awesome but Toronto needs a top Centre.
Id like to see us trade our #1 pick for 2017 this year for a Dman. Just get it done. Pick up a pick in mid season. This draft is deep so i prefer we keep these picks and trade next years. I think it will be easier to get a pick later in the year too. Be confident as a GM and expect next year to be good and not be in this damn lotto. Get the return necessary though to make giving the pick up worthwhile
Lots of Ammo to trade, i believe, this summer to get a NOW!! dman or two.
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