Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[I am the Liquor]

Yea, like Reinhart.

How many NHL games did Barzal play last year?

 

[I am the Liquor]

Always. Every team does.

This team needs NHL players. I remember the outcry when Mact declared we are still in the throes of development. Now these same posters are saying we should be using our draft picks instead of moving them for more developed players.

It's quite sad actually.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

This team needs NHL players. I remember the outcry when Mact declared we are still in the throes of development. Now these same posters are saying we should be using our draft picks instead of moving them for more developed players.

It's quite sad actually.

This team needs both.

But I'm confident the D can be fixed by shipping out forwards and those holes can be plugged in free agency.

How many NHL games did Barzal play last year?

It's going to be a long time before we can compare the 2, but I'm liking Barzal's odds better. He would certainly be a better trade chip for us right now, plus whoever we would have taken at 33.

Reinhart STILL isn't ready to make a meaningful NHL impact (questioning if he ever will be)

 

[McWeber]

This team needs NHL players. I remember the outcry when Mact declared we are still in the throes of development. Now these same posters are saying we should be using our draft picks instead of moving them for more developed players.

It's quite sad actually.

Its that time of the year where the only thing we have to get excited for is potential prospects to be drafted. Most of them are shiny, new and are winning games with their junior teams. People imagine them doing the exact same things in the NHL for our team and suddenly are worth the sun and the moon because they are better than the losers on our roster.

Thankfully Chiarelli wants to move the needle a bit faster and made it clear hes not overly attached to our 1st rounder. I can't see him risking another year out of the playoffs, I see significant roster additions incoming with minimal subtractions and I am thankful for it.

 

[lakai17]

And none of them step in and make a meaningful difference for 3-5 years.

I agree we need huge help on D, but trading for an NHL Dman right now is better. Trading one of our wingers or RNH for top flight D makes us immediately better.

As of right now they are, development doesn't always go in a straight line. None of them help us in the short term. There is a chance the best D in the draft goes in the 7th round. Take the BPA because none of these D will be relevant for quite some time. Look how long we have had to wait for Davidson, Klefbom and Nurse. Give me the massive forward that is very close to a sure thing and will be ready much sooner over the mystery box LHD.

Juolevi, Sergachev and Chychrun have that franchise potential where they will be ready to jump up to the NHL sooner than later. Adding one of the 3 do a lot for the core.

Some prospects are worth the wait, you have to realize the value of a #4 overall selection.

I am very high on Dubois as well with what he brings to the game so its an interesting selection and to hear opinions always.

 

[McBaevid]

Juolevi, Sergachev and Chychrun have that franchise potential where they will be ready to jump up to the NHL sooner than later. Adding one of the 3 do a lot for the core.

Some prospects are worth the wait, you have to realize the value of a #4 overall selection.

I am very high on Dubois as well with what he brings to the game so its an interesting selection and to hear opinions always.

None of those guys have franchise potential, if that was the case their would be no debate about the Oilers picking a Dman

 

[shoop]

Reinhart STILL isn't ready to make a meaningful NHL impact (questioning if he ever will be)

If meaningful is anything more than a third pairing/7D guy then the answer is probably no he never will.

 

[lakai17]

None of those guys have franchise potential, if that was the case their would be no debate about the Oilers picking a Dman

Juolevi just turned 18 people do not realize, only months ago he was involved in a 19 year old tourney(IIHF) where he was averaging 30+ mins a game on the gold medal winning team.

Superb hockey sense and skates like the wind. He is capable of quarterbacking a power play.

Juolevi is a valid option at #4. It will not be difficult to toy around with the top 6 on offense today. Many valuable trade chips.

 

[Up the Irons]

Its that time of the year where the only thing we have to get excited for is potential prospects to be drafted. Most of them are shiny, new and are winning games with their junior teams. People imagine them doing the exact same things in the NHL for our team and suddenly are worth the sun and the moon because they are better than the losers on our roster.

Thankfully Chiarelli wants to move the needle a bit faster and made it clear hes not overly attached to our 1st rounder. I can't see him risking another year out of the playoffs, I see significant roster additions incoming with minimal subtractions and I am thankful for it.

Nailed it

 

[Raab]

Another good project in Bakersfield would be Logan Brown.

Trade Yakupov + a pick to get a mid first rounder, closer to #10.

6'6 and around 220 pounds as a teenager. That says he's NHL ready soon but there is time to let him develop in the minors now. Send Brown with McDavid in summer to workout.


Who else would gamble on Logan Brown?

If we pick in that 8-12 range I want Tyson Jost. Reminds me so much of RNH in his draft year its not even funny. I personally wouldn't take Logan Brown until at least 15 but thats me.

 

[Raab]

None of those guys have franchise potential, if that was the case their would be no debate about the Oilers picking a Dman

Sergachev does IMO. I think a few guys are really underrating him because of the Russian factor.

 

[Raab]

And none of them step in and make a meaningful difference for 3-5 years.

I agree we need huge help on D, but trading for an NHL Dman right now is better. Trading one of our wingers or RNH for top flight D makes us immediately better.

Would you wait 3 years if I told you one turns into the next OEL or Pietrangelo? To me we have to take a dman high if we ever want one with the potential to be a franchise d. I think Sergachev has a good possibility of being a top pairing dman in the next 5 years.

 

[snipes]

At this point I'm fine with staying put at #4 at least until draft day.

Have contingency plans in place if things go unexpected (i.e. Columbus taking Dubois at #3). Otherwise draft Dubois, he fits the mold of players we need in the Pacific. Send Dubois back to junior and develop him properly, call him up if he's ready.

No point reaching for a D at #4, maybe package our 2nd and one of the 3rds (or something along those lines) to move back into the mid to late first if a guy like Fabbro or McAvoy slips. Even with that, those guys won't be ready for a meaningful impact for like 3-5 years.

I think the only way we move the #4 pick is if a NHL legit Dman right now is coming back. Either straight up, or part of a blockbuster package (i.e. Subban calibre). The value is even higher considering expansion protection.

 

[McWeber]

Juolevi just turned 18 people do not realize, only months ago he was involved in a 19 year old tourney(IIHF) where he was averaging 30+ mins a game on the gold medal winning team.

Superb hockey sense and skates like the wind. He is capable of quarterbacking a power play.

Juolevi is a valid option at #4. It will not be difficult to toy around with the top 6 on offense today. Many valuable trade chips.

I think we are well aware of Juolevi's accomplishments thus far. The majority of players taken in the first round have a long list of personal accolades including championships, medals and scoring titles. Nurse and Klefbom both played a huge part in winning gold medals in the world juniors, they both skate like the wind and were capable of quarterbacking a powerplay in junior. There are some D men that were even more highly touted than him that never became the stud on the back end that we need. Look at Ellis in Nashville, hes a great player that I would love to have but he hasn't come close to what his potential was and he was a better junior player than Juolevi. Ryan Murphy is another example. Hell look at all defenceman taken in the first round over the past decade, its pretty sobering when you see how many guys were misses or ended up being bottom pairing D.

 

[snipes]

Would you wait 3 years if I told you one turns into the next OEL or Pietrangelo? To me we have to take a dman high if we ever want one with the potential to be a franchise d. I think Sergachev has a good possibility of being a top pairing dman in the next 5 years.

The tough part with Dmen is it's so hard to project. Could just as easily bust. Look at the history of top 5ish Dmen.

But of course, if you told me Sergachev becomes OEL it's a no brainer, but that's so tough to guarantee.

 

[Raab]

This team needs NHL players. I remember the outcry when Mact declared we are still in the throes of development. Now these same posters are saying we should be using our draft picks instead of moving them for more developed players.

It's quite sad actually.

Im alright moving the pick if we get value for it. Its just a huge risk to move it for someone like Hamonic and then have a team draft Sergachev and he goes on to be a Pietrangelo or OEL. The kid has got game, I know everyone is high on Dubois but wingers like Dubois get moved. Guys like OEL and Pietrangelo don't. If we could some how come out of this draft with Sergachev and Jost I'd be extremely happy with our prospect pool going forward. Still need a RHD but other then that it would look solid.

I think we should be looking to move guys like Nurse, Davidson, Yak, Pouliot, etc... for defensive help. I think that we could probably get Hamonic for Pouliot+Nurse, then we could potentially sign a guy like Dan Hamhuis or Brian Campbell for 2 or 3 years as a stop gap. Add a winger like Jamie Mcguinn and see what we can do with the roster.

 

[Raab]

The tough part with Dmen is it's so hard to project. Could just as easily bust. Look at the history of top 5ish Dmen.

But of course, if you told me Sergachev becomes OEL it's a no brainer, but that's so tough to guarantee.

I think if you take a defensive dman in the top 10 then yes, it's hard to project. How many offensive dmen taken in the top 5 have busted? I can think of one Cam Barker.

 

[Roof Daddy]

I need you to understand that Juolevi, McAvoy, Fabbro, Sergachev and Chychrun are all on another level compared to the d available come selection #32.

And I'm sure scouts felt the same way about the guys at the top of the list in 03 and 07, yet both those years the best D man went in the 2nd round. There is a distinct possibility that the best D man from this draft doesn't go in the first round.

Forwards are easier to project. Take the guaranteed stud in Dubois, then try and hit home runs in the later rounds with some RHD.

 

[SDig14]

When I look at Sergachev he has everything you want in a legit #1D in the NHL.

What flaws does he have that could limit his upside?

He has an absolute cannon of a shot, very good skater, great size, can run a PP and can defend.

His offense is going to translate, I don't think that's even a question at all. So the only way he doesn't become a top pairing D is if he all of a sudden becomes lost in his own end.

He plays physical at times and can throw some huge hits as well. He's no Weber, but he knows how to eliminate man from puck.

Only time I've seen him play bad was a couple times he just looked a little careless with the puck in his own end and gave it away. Minor and easily correctable.

He also breaks it out very well in whatever way necessary. He can skate it out and all the way into the opponents end or make a fast pass.

I think he has the least red flags when talking about pure upside to the best in this class.

Really too bad Juolevi, Sergachev and Chychrun are all left shots.

 

[SDig14]

It would be a gift if a nice RHD fell down to us at 32. Just gotta hope for a miracle and then also hope a nice forward falls too so the Leafs pass on the RHD.

 

[McWeber]

When I look at Sergachev he has everything you want in a legit #1D in the NHL.

What flaws does he have that could limit his upside?

He has an absolute cannon of a shot, very good skater, great size, can run a PP and can defend.

His offense is going to translate, I don't think that's even a question at all. So the only way he doesn't become a top pairing D is if he all of a sudden becomes lost in his own end.

He plays physical at times and can throw some huge hits as well. He's no Weber, but he knows how to eliminate man from puck.

Only time I've seen him play bad was a couple times he just looked a little careless with the puck in his own end and gave it away. Minor and easily correctable.

He also breaks it out very well in whatever way necessary. He can skate it out and all the way into the opponents end or make a fast pass.

I think he has the least red flags when talking about pure upside to the best in this class.

Really too bad Juolevi, Sergachev and Chychrun are all left shots.

I will agree of all the big 3 D Sergachev is my favorite as well.

 

[VainGretzky]

I think if you take a defensive dman in the top 10 then yes, it's hard to project. How many offensive dmen taken in the top 5 have busted? I can think of one Cam Barker.

What defenceman is rated in the top 5 this year?

 

[SDig14]

If you move down to 7 or 8, you're guaranteed to get one of them. But you're not going to get to pick the one you like the most.

I'm game for whatever makes us better down the road. Trading the pick outright for a D, picking BPA at 4 or moving down.

Only thing I'm not a fan of is moving down past about 8 or 9.

 

[Oilfan2]

What defenceman is rated in the top 5 this year?

Oh they don't have to be rated that high..According to his logic as long as they're picked top 5, they'll be stars.

 

[snipes]

Oh they don't have to be rated that high..According to his logic as long as they're picked top 5, they'll be stars.

Exactly.

Plus reaching for one in the top 5 when they aren't ranked as amongst the top 5 BPA in the draft is even more risky.

Drafting a Dman at #4 will not fix our defensive woes immediately. We have to move some of our forwards to get NHL Dmen who are ready next season.