Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

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Joey Moss

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Dude if they were going to rig the lottery for toronto it would have been last year. If they were going to rig this year arizona would have won. Give it a rest.
Give it a rest? I'm pointing out how poorly it was done. Not necessarily saying it was rigged. The guy clearly had no idea what he was doing.

Last year the person working the machine was being told when to click the button and he was not looking at the machine. This year, no one was telling him and the intervals aren't even close to 15 seconds. We're talking 7 and 5 second differences here not like he's off by 1 or 2.

The balls were supposed to come up in 15 second intervals. Could have been a totally different outcome.

Even if it still wasn't the Oilers, would've been reassuring to know if was actually done properly.
 

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We'll see his exact dimensions at the combine but Dubois has some serious size.

This guy will come to an NHL camp in the fall bigger in height and weight than Jamie Benn is right now. Keep in mind he will still be 17 at the combine and interestingly he turns 18 the day of the draft.

Some interesting stats on him....

3rd in the QMJHL in points, 5th in goals (and only 10 of them on the PP which makes his ES number even better), 6th in +/- (that is a great stat for a draft eligible player), 12th in PIM's, and 3 short handed goals to boot.

The QMJHL has some really great stat breakdowns compared to the WHL and OHL. It gives you stats against teams, home/away and win/loss. For instance, PLD scored 23GP, 16-21-37 (1.61 ppg) against the 6 teams with better regular season records than Cape Breton. His full season was 1.60 ppg. That assuages some of my fears about him potentially feasting on the weaker teams of the Q
 

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Watched him a couple times in the series against Niagara. Its tough to say. He wasn't a factor, but Ottawa was a young team up against a Niagara squad that won their conference with a 12-1 record.

I don't know enough to say yay or nay on drafting him from two viewings though.

Was he physical at all? I looked him up on eliteprospects.com and was surprised they had a lengthy scouting report on a guy projected to go that late. His PIM total was pretty low though which leads me to believe he might not play with an edge (poor indicator I know, but all I have to go on).

Edit: just realized that he was actually eligible for last year's draft. Still, could be a decent pick up if he's there with the Panthers pick.
 

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I think the QMJHL vs. OHL/WHL thing is overblown a bit when it comes to top end guys. Clearly there are more guys in the Q who put up big points and don't amount to much but lately that hasn't been the case for top end prospects.. Huberdeau, MacKinnon, Drouin, Couturier all look fine to me. Dubois put up 99 points in his draft year.. Ryan Johansen seems to be his comparable and RyJo didn't even put up PPG in the dub in his draft year. I would imagine there wouldn't be a 30 point difference if Dubois was in the WHL. I'd have no issues taking Dubois if we're keeping the pick. A smart, two-way, powerforward who can play center or wing sounds just fine to me.

I definitely don't want him on the roster next season though.
 

Joey Moss

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I proposed a trade down scenario in a Mock Draft..

EDM: #6 and #36
CGY: #4

EDM: #9 and #39
MTL: 6th

Trade down twice, gain two 2nd round picks (maybe more) and end up with one of Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev at 9th overall. I bet Calgary would want Dubois or Tkachuk and wants to make sure Vancouver doesn't take either. Montreal jumps up to take Nylander (or another forward) before Buffalo gets a shot. I think Arizona is clearly taking a defenseman.

Ship one of the 2nd rounders for Andrew Shaw. Maybe another for a guy like Adam Lowry (who seems to be sliding down the Jets depth chart)?
 

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I proposed a trade down scenario in a Mock Draft..

EDM: #6 and #36
CGY: #4

EDM: #9 and #39
MTL: 6th

Trade down twice, gain two 2nd round picks (maybe more) and end up with one of Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev at 9th overall. I bet Calgary would want Dubois or Tkachuk and wants to make sure Vancouver doesn't take either. Montreal jumps up to take Nylander (or another forward) before Buffalo gets a shot. I think Arizona is clearly taking a defenseman.

Ship one of the 2nd rounders for Andrew Shaw. Maybe another for a guy like Adam Lowry (who seems to be sliding down the Jets depth chart)?

Why in the world would we trade down for defensemen that won't help us for 5+ years if at all. In the position we ate strongest at young left shooting d. And give a divisional rival the best player available...

That does not make sense.
 

Joey Moss

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Why in the world would we trade down for defensemen that won't help us for 5+ years if at all. In the position we ate strongest at young left shooting d. And give a divisional rival the best player available...

That does not make sense.

It makes sense if we can't land Hamonic or Vatanen which we should be prepared for. Who the **** cares about rivals? We should worry about ourselves.
 

Aerchon

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It makes sense if we can't land Hamonic or Vatanen which we should be prepared for. Who the **** cares about rivals? We should worry about ourselves.

It doesn't make sense.

Harmonic or Vatanen are experienced solid top 4 right handed shooting defenseman.

The defenders available are all left shooting guys who may well never be top 4 defenders.

Plus our forward prospects are thin while our defensive prospects on the left side flush as flush can be.

We pick the best available player if we can't address our weaknesses through trade.

Trading down rarely/almost never brings value in the first round. Especially if you pass the better pick to a divisional rival.
 

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Just catching up with some footage from the U18 worlds. There's some interesting prospects that are a bit under the radar that could prove to be good mid-round picks.

Eetu Tuulola is one of them. At 18 years old he is already 6'3 225lbs. A right shot RW who is naturally physical, has some solid offensive instincts and goes to the net hard. Although he could improve his skating it doesn't seem like it's bad by any means. Good at protecting the puck too. I would have a lot of time for this kid, he could be a possession monster if he pans out. Honestly, I think he could be a Maroon type player but with better skating.

A sizey winger with great offensive instincts. Drives to the net hard and leans into his hits. Displays slick puckhandling skills and a hard shot that he needs to use more. Skates with balance, but needs to get faster. Works very hard and doesn't take shifts off. Needs to be more active in his own end and pressure the opposition into making more rushed plays. All-in-all, a competitive winger with the size and skills to be a difference maker in games. (Curtis Joe, EP 2015)

I got my first viewings of Janne Kuokkanen as well. He played on a line with Puljujärvi and they were terrific together. Seems like a very cerebral player and it looks like the game comes naturally to him. He may not have one quality that stands out above the rest aside from his hockey IQ but he's a well-rounded player that can skate, pass, shoot, win board battles, anything really. Got a lot of praise from Craig Button at the U18's and rightfully so.



James Greenway and Joey Anderson are two other interesting guys but I doubt we target either of them. Greenway is another LHD with limited upside and Anderson, while being a skilled winger with top6 upside that we could use more of in the system, I don't think is on the menu simply because he is likely going to need a lot of seasoning at college and might not sign here.
 

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Tyler Myers makes 5.5 million per year and hasn't cracked 30 points in 1/2 a decade. And it's not like he's some stud defensive specialist. Great contract? Not a chance.


His cap hit is $5.5 million but his salary is going down to $3 million by 2018-2019.
 

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If you can't get a top D with the pick, just take Dubois and don't try to get pretty. None of the top ranked D are right handed and we have plenty of left handed D prospects bubbling under.
 

s7ark

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If you can't get a top D with the pick, just take Dubois and don't try to get pretty. None of the top ranked D are right handed and we have plenty of left handed D prospects bubbling under.

I completely agree. This is exactly what they should do. Big skilled Cs are in such high demand that a team should jump at the chance to grab Dubois. If no one is willing to pay a good price for him, then we should take him.
 

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I completely agree. This is exactly what they should do. Big skilled Cs are in such high demand that a team should jump at the chance to grab Dubois. If no one is willing to pay a good price for him, then we should take him.

Once again this. I suspect we could get a #1 D for Drai .... could Dubois turn out like Drai? I think so. Plus we don't have to protect him in 2017.
 

s7ark

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Once again this. I suspect we could get a #1 D for Drai .... could Dubois turn out like Drai? I think so. Plus we don't have to protect him in 2017.

And then we can wait for 2-3 years until Dubois can contribute at the NHL level like Drai? Pass. I want help for next year. The exemption from the expansion draft should make it easier for us to get a good D by trading the pick.

Let's be clear, I am talking about a Faulk level D. Not Hamonic/Barrie/Vatanen
 

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Once again this. I suspect we could get a #1 D for Drai .... could Dubois turn out like Drai? I think so. Plus we don't have to protect him in 2017.

Please no. McDavid-Drai-Dubois down the middle is too filthy. I prefer adding a big plus to RNH for a #1D than trade Drai. Not only Drai is more of what we need for the western conference, he has shown he's more versatile and compatible with more players. Who does RNH have chemistry aside from Pou and Ebs?
 
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