Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[iCanada]

I would grab Dubious, Tkchuck is too much a product of Marner Dvorak.

Yeah, both Marner & Dvorak outscored Tkachuk by 20%, where as Dubois outscored both his linemates by about 50%.

 

[Soli]

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Hey guys, I haven't written on here for a while and was thinking of doing what I think would be a good draft depending on trades and other stuff.

4th OVR: Dubois/Chunchyn/Juolevi
32nd OVR: Hart or BPA (not sure one it is as I haven't been following the juniors that much this year)
62ndOVR: Day/Middleton
80th0VR: Fitzpatrick/Kuznetsov
87th0VR: Stukel/Sokolov/Chrys
122ndOVR: Artemov
152ndOVR: Coleman/Reichel

Let me know what you think and provide your opinions as well

Second round pick should be used on the best scoring winger that falls to that spot. Debrincat, Dahlen, Steel, Benson ect.

2 Thumbs up. Bastian I would be fine with also.

from what i've read artemov is gone in the 1st round if he isn't then i'd take him at 32 easily.

I was on the Hart train at one point but I think I'd rather trade the pick or add a skill forward.

If we somehow solve all the defense holes in FA and roster trades then I'd go (or predict);

4th; PL Dubois
32; Jonny Dahlen (or Abromov/Benson/Dahlen/Debrincat/Kunin/Tufte/Asplund/Howden/whoever falls, I guessed Dahlen.)
62; Cam Dineen (probably gone)
80; Markus Neimelainen (probably gone)
87; Brayden Burke
122; David Quenneville
152; token 7th round goalie prospect (...Adam.....Brizgala....)

I think they are. I remember Button saying the same thing on a telecast as well. I think it's a case of them seeing a bunch of former NHLers playing in the Swiss league, but the majority of those former NHLers are soft skill guys. Swiss league has all the intensity of an All-Star game.

Finnish league actually has physicality and intensity, just not as many recognizable games. But TSN would actually have to watch those leagues to know that. Why do that research when you can just look at names?

Great points. The Swiss league stands at where in the world for best leagues? You have to go NHL, KHL, Sweden, Finland, AHL before you consider the Swiss league elite.
I don't have anything against him. I would have loved to win the pick. I would have picked up the phone and called Arizona 5 mins after we won it and tell their management we are open for business for OEL.
For the Leafs sake, hopefully they do not ruin him. I actually think in 3 to 5 years if everything goes OK for the Leafs they will have a great team. Maybe be playing us in the Cup. We could both then say "Suck it Montreal"

Man alive, there's been so many Leafs/Matthews threads the last two days on the mains. I've been avoiding as much of TSN/SN, etc, as possible, but it's only gonna get worse.

He looked really good in the video. It sure looks like London will make Mem Cup so we can have a good look at Juolevi and Tkachuk. The only thing I am worried about Tkachuk is the same problem when we drafted Gagner. They are playing with great line-mates

We are going to have to - I don't think Chia is going to pass on a big, strong kid with skill. The smurfs will be gone for d-men; not this pick.

Dubois numbers just as good as RNH in draft year.

Glad you are not scouting for us. Is this you Kevin Lowe? Nylander at 4th? Where would he play on the Oilers?

Well, to a degree.

The QMJHL has always had atleast 2 goals higher per game than the WHL though. I'd say RNH's offensive numbers that year were more impressive.

The Dub has also always had most of the big scary defenceman.

I think RNH would be fighting with Pulja for 3rd overall. I'd take RNH over Pulja if they were in the same draft. I think Pulja / Dubois is likely a better fit for our club though than RNH would be.

Trade RNH for Werenski and CBJ 2 rounder. Draft Dubois.

Also expansion draft protection.

I'm not sure id trade Werenski straight up for $6 Million RNH if I was CBJ.

People just forget how good RNH was in junior and that points was/is only a portion of the game he brings.

I have no doubt RNH would be in a battle for the number 2 spot in this draft class. Off the charts hockey iq and vision were his calling card. Center versus sniper I think preference would dictate who got drafted #2 in this draft if Rnh were in this class.

Well no... don't get too upset.

That's my list based on how I would project their skillsets and ceilings going forward and how I think they'll turn out in the NHL. We all make our own best guesses and projections.

Not quite the same thing as who I'd pick for the Oilers specifically at #4... for that I'd say it's between Sergachyov and Tkachuk... and I'd lean towards the dman because I don't think the Oilers have anyone like Sergachyov on their team or in their prospect pipeline.

I do think Nylander is underrated though... I could quite easily see him being a very elite player at the NHL level. Obviously it's just his size and style of play (more of the same) that turns most of us off from wanting him for the Oilers... but do I think he could be one of the top 3 forwards from this draft when all is said and they've all played 10+ years of hockey in the NHL? Yes I do.

This sounds like a good player. Can we get one like this on the oilers besides Drai and McDavid.

If we actually use this pick, just make sure to keep him away from the NHL for a season, whoever it is.

 

[duul]

Don't see us taking a forward for any reason in this draft. Either the pick gets dealt straight up or packaged for defensive help.

I don't see Chiarelli trading down to acquire say a pick in the 8-9 range plus a meh player. I think he will go all out and offer up the pick plus one of RNH/Eberle/Draisaitl for a high tier defenceman.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Can anyone who watches a lot of OHL games give me some info on Stepan Falkovsky? I know he's a LHD, but the dude is massive (6'7 225) and put up some pretty solid numbers for the 67's. He's projected to go in the back half of the 3rd round.

 

[JordanGalhanth]

Don't see us taking a forward for any reason in this draft. Either the pick gets dealt straight up or packaged for defensive help.

I don't see Chiarelli trading down to acquire say a pick in the 8-9 range plus a meh player. I think he will go all out and offer up the pick plus one of RNH/Eberle/Draisaitl for a high tier defenceman.

Better not be Drai...

 

[Jet Walters]

We'll see his exact dimensions at the combine but Dubois has some serious size.

This guy will come to an NHL camp in the fall bigger in height and weight than Jamie Benn is right now. Keep in mind he will still be 17 at the combine and interestingly he turns 18 the day of the draft.

Some interesting stats on him....

3rd in the QMJHL in points, 5th in goals (and only 10 of them on the PP which makes his ES number even better), 6th in +/- (that is a great stat for a draft eligible player), 12th in PIM's, and 3 short handed goals to boot.

 

[duul]

Better not be Drai...

If Drai gets us a top tier defenceman, how can you not make that trade? McDavid and RNH is great centre depth.

 

[Roof Daddy]

London has always been an offense first but this year they have been tough defensively as well. Tkachuk is a pretty decent two way player. On his line he is typically not the guy with the puck on his stick. That is Marner. He drives the net, works the corners, creates space. Given the choice between Dubois and Tkachuk I would have taken Dubois until very recently. BUt Watching Tkachuk against the Rangers and generally in the playoffs has made this a much tougher choice. He has been flat out terrific. For me, I'd be happy with either guy, but I expect they will deal the pick.

Today on Oilers Now, Stauffer mentioned that a scout described Tkachuk as a bigger Brad Marchand. That would be a helluva player, and we've always needed a chippy guy who can stir the pot. It also sounds like Chia likes him.

That said, I think I still go with PLD, but I agree it's not an easy decision.

 

[dustrock]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't RNH draft year stats inflated by his PP numbers? Thought his 5v5 scoring wasn't great.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I actually think Tkachuk is being underrated somewhat because he plays with two other good players. His production and playing style are solid... and he's not small and obviously has talent. He doesn't just suck points off that line... he contributes and adds to the success of that line.. which is a good thing... not bad.

 

[Stud Muffin]

If Drai gets us a top tier defenceman, how can you not make that trade? McDavid and RNH is great centre depth.

2 centres is not DEPTH

 

[Raab]

Jones/ Benson are not sure things. If you get 2 forwards with top 2 picks you could move out 2 forwards this year

Remember our forward prospects are absymal. And a guy like Jones is far off. Remember Rattie was supposed to be a steal in 2nd round and STILL in AHL

You can sign wingers almost every year in UFA. Also our defensive depth still would not have a guy who projects to be a number 1 or even a pp specialist. Which will leave us seeing guys like Brad Hunt trying to run our PP.

 

[McGoMcD]

I think there is a 50/50 chance this pick is dealt, so I am not going to get too exited about any one.

If we keep it I take Dubois or the Russian Dman. Assuming Mathews and the two finns are gone.

 

[gordonhught]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't RNH draft year stats inflated by his PP numbers? Thought his 5v5 scoring wasn't great.

Yes, you are correct. Dubois>RNH

 

[ponokanocker]

I'm going to pull a 180 and say we keep the pick. With the expansion draft coming, the pick is something it sounds like we don't have to protect.

Plus, the cap hit on a #4 pick is pretty high if they hit their bonuses so it isn't a great way to cut salary by trading a roster player for the pick.

 

[duul]

2 centres is not DEPTH

Let's take a look at some of the best teams in the NHL right now and their C depth.

Toews
Anisimov
Shaw

Seguin
Spezza
Eakin

Kopitar
Carter
Lecavalier

Johansen
Ribeiro
Fisher

Tavares
Bailey
Nielsen

Crosby
Malkin
Cullen

Thornton
Pavelski
Karlsson

Stastny
Lehtera
Backes

Stamkos
Filpulla
Johnson

Backstrom
Johansson
Kuznetsov

McDavid
Nugent-Hopkins
Shaw

Honestly getting Shaw will make our C depth a non issue if we have to trade Drai.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Can anyone who watches a lot of OHL games give me some info on Stepan Falkovsky? I know he's a LHD, but the dude is massive (6'7 225) and put up some pretty solid numbers for the 67's. He's projected to go in the back half of the 3rd round.

Watched him a couple times in the series against Niagara. Its tough to say. He wasn't a factor, but Ottawa was a young team up against a Niagara squad that won their conference with a 12-1 record.

I don't know enough to say yay or nay on drafting him from two viewings though.

 

[Hynh]

Let's take a look at some of the best teams in the NHL right now and their C depth.

Toews
Anisimov
Shaw

Seguin
Spezza
Eakin

Kopitar
Carter
Lecavalier

Johansen
Ribeiro
Fisher

Tavares
Bailey
Nielsen

Crosby
Malkin
Cullen

Thornton
Pavelski
Karlsson

Stastny
Lehtera
Backes

Stamkos
Filpulla
Johnson

Backstrom
Johansson
Kuznetsov

McDavid
Nugent-Hopkins
Shaw

Honestly getting Shaw will make our C depth a non issue if we have to trade Drai.

Bonino is the Pens' 3C and Malkin > RNH by a mile. The Sharks are loaded with Cs, how can you not even mention Couture? Benn can also play centre if/when the Stars need him to

Those are just the teams that jumped out to me.

 

[Seachd]

My big draft revelation for the day, and pay attention, because this matters:

If your name is Jack, and you get drafted by an NHL team, you're American.

Anyway, I could easily see the Oilers take a forward again this time around. This draft seems so open, nothing would surprise me.

 

[MessierII]

If Drai gets us a top tier defenceman, how can you not make that trade? McDavid and RNH is great centre depth.

Drai isn't going anywhere. When chia says no one is untouchable "except maybe a couple of players" he's talking about Mcdavid and Drai. Drai is the second most untouchable player on the team. Everything Chiarelli covets Drai embodies.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If Drai gets us a top tier defenceman, how can you not make that trade? McDavid and RNH is great centre depth.

Depends who you consider 'top tier'. Drai + for Pietrangelo? Sure. Drai for Hamonic? **** No.

 

[Soli]

Final Results of the 'Dubois vs. Tkachuk' Poll:


Dubois: 128 votes, 52.67%
One of the Three D: 67 votes, 27.57%
Tkachuk: 48 votes, 19.75%

Merging the two threads because redundancy.

New poll added.

 

[Joey Moss]

Don't want to be that guy.. but I'm just watching the actual lottery footage and it seems a little fishy. Bettman clearly indicates before the drawing that the balls get picked in 15 second intervals. Here's how they actually came up.

Machine starts at 7:05 of the video, first ball comes up at 7:18 (13 seconds), second ball comes up at 7:40 (22 seconds), third ball at 7:57 (17 seconds), fourth ball comes up at 8:07 (10 seconds).

Not to mention the person is looking directly at the machine, whereas last year they were required to look away.

I haven't really read anything on this but has this been brought up at all? If it were a couple seconds off, not a huge deal. But one was 7 seconds late, and another 5 seconds early. Seems like BS to me.

 

[Joey Moss]

If we were picking 4th overall, Dubois. If we dropped down and gained an asset, I would want Sergachev. My preference is for help immediately. I don't care if it's an overpay for Hamonic or Vatanen, we need one of these guys. Maybe they would add.

 

[Aequitas]

Don't want to be that guy.. but I'm just watching the actual lottery footage and it seems a little fishy. Bettman clearly indicates before the drawing that the balls get picked in 15 second intervals. Here's how they actually came up.

Machine starts at 7:05 of the video, first ball comes up at 7:18 (13 seconds), second ball comes up at 7:40 (22 seconds), third ball at 7:57 (17 seconds), fourth ball comes up at 8:07 (10 seconds).

Not to mention the person is looking directly at the machine, whereas last year they were required to look away.

I haven't really read anything on this but has this been brought up at all? If it were a couple seconds off, not a huge deal. But one was 7 seconds late, and another 5 seconds early. Seems like BS to me.

Dude if they were going to rig the lottery for toronto it would have been last year. If they were going to rig this year arizona would have won. Give it a rest.