Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Logical McNonsense]

Edit: Go to 1:05 in the video. Damn that was filthy.

On the Sergachev topic, I really like the kid. I don't think he will go till 6 or 7 however.
Maybe trade down for a 3C to 6 or 7, and trade Nuge for a solid defenceman.
Let Sergachev play 1 more year in Windsor, then 1 year in the AHL and then see if he is ready.

The only problem I have with taking him is it even more adds to our LHD problem:

Klefbom
Sekera
Sergachev
Nurse
Davidson
Reinhart

Maybe trade 1 of the above, along with RNH for 2 RHD and that would be considered a good summer IMO. The only problem is who?

Sekera stays, so does Klefbom. Reinhart is not ready for full time bottom pairing duty. That leaves Nurse or Davidson. Davidson makes more sense as the 5/6 D than Nurse. So trade Nurse and RNH for 2 RHD, then let Sergachev push for a roster spot the following year.

Klefbom - RNH trade
Sekera - Nurse trade
Davidson - Gryba
Reinhart

Then in a few years one of the LHD will have to move to the right side leaving

Klefbom - RNH Trade
Sergachev - Sekera
Davidson/Reinhart - Nurse Trade

Depending on what we get in those trades, that is one solid ****ing defensive core.
By then we will have hopefully one of Bear or Jones pushing as well.

Also that doesn't even include any possible free agents.

Here are some possible trades for RNH and Nurse

Nurse + 2nd for Harmonic (fills both teams needs)
RNH for a Jones type defenceman. Maybe Barrie +? Idk.
Or keep RNH and acquire Vatanen for lesser pieces.

So that would leave in 3 years

Klefbom - Harmonic
Sergachev - Sekera
Davidson/Reinhart - Vatanen/Barrie

 

[McGoMcD]

Sergachev really intrigues me. He has highest offense. But Chrchyun is still my pick for D. Points is not a major gap (4 points prorated over 67 games). Chrychrun plays a rock solid D game (MS is regarded as sketchy in his own end). Chrychun seems to play more active in play whereas MS plays up in play but a lot of his highlights are him up high in O zone.

I want a D like Subban or Doughty that leads a rush and is driving the net themselves

Ya, tough call I like Chychrun as well. the thing is Sergachev was also playing his first year in the OHL. So him putting up the same numbers seems to show he is the better offensive guy for sure. I admit though, I don't know much about their defensive games.

 

[suddeninterest]

Is there a video of Chia talking about the draft picks/lottery? I'd say there is probably an 85% chance we make the pick and a 15% chance it gets traded. I want either Chychrun or Sergachev with the pick, preferably Chychrun. If we take Dubois then one of Drai/RNH needs to be gone, probably RNH. I do have a feeling if we trade the pick it'll be for a RHD PLUS a later pick. Like Hamonic + Isles 1st, Vatanen + Ducks 1st, that sort of thing.

 

[iCanada]

Is there a video of Chia talking about the draft picks/lottery? I'd say there is probably an 85% chance we make the pick and a 15% chance it gets traded. I want either Chychrun or Sergachev with the pick, preferably Chychrun. If we take Dubois then one of Drai/RNH needs to be gone, probably RNH. I do have a feeling if we trade the pick it'll be for a RHD PLUS a later pick. Like Hamonic + Isles 1st, Vatanen + Ducks 1st, that sort of thing.

I'd rather pick Dubois and then trade RNH or Eberle for D.

I think it makes us a better team

 

[McGoMcD]

I'd rather pick Dubois and then trade RNH or Eberle for D.

I think it makes us a better team

So having a 18 year old in the line up vs RNH will make us a better team?

no way, no chance in hell.

trade the pick if the deal is there. That is also what cap strapped teams will want. Trading Peiterangalo for Nuge will nto help the Blues cap situation. The 4th on the other hand will temp them for sure.

 

[leafster7]

Why don't you guys want Chychrun? I heard he is best D-man in the draft.

 

[Soundwave]

Why don't you guys want Chychrun? I heard he is best D-man in the draft.

Probably because he has some brain farts in his game and it will take a few years for him to develop.

If there was an Ekblad or Seth Jones there, it'd be a no brainer.

 

[Soundwave]

So having a 18 year old in the line up vs RNH will make us a better team?

no way, no chance in hell.

trade the pick if the deal is there. That is also what cap strapped teams will want. Trading Peiterangalo for Nuge will nto help the Blues cap situation. The 4th on the other hand will temp them for sure.

Why is St. Louis trading their best D-Man? That team will be kept together now because they beat the defending champs at the very least.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I know this has been said (probably multiple times) but #4 is likely a bit of a blessing... gives the Oilers the most flexibility so to speak because the top 3 picks are generally considered locks and therefore would be hard to get fair value for them in a trade... whereas #4 is both "tradeable" and "pickable".

The Oilers pretty much would have to make the pick at #1/2/3 imo because a team would have to basically give up a top pairing dman to get that... and I can't picture many teams doing so.

At #4 there should be the maximum number of trade possibilities as there's plenty of tempting/intriguing prospects left for teams to salivate over which drives up the trade value of that #4 pick.

 

[McGoMcD]

Why is St. Louis trading their best D-Man? That team will be kept together now because they beat the defending champs at the very least.

dude, it was just an example. point is you trade the pick not Nuge.

 

[Halibut]

I'd rather pick Dubois and then trade RNH or Eberle for D.

I think it makes us a better team

Depends on the d you get.

I dont care what specifically Chiarelli does but the priority has to be fix the D. That is without a doubt this teams biggest problem. We were doing ok while McDavid was out and we still had Klefbom but once Klef went down we stopped winning hockey games. Adding size didnt change the results in the win - loss column. We need defence and we need good defencemen not just mid pair guys so yeah we can trade RNH, Eberle whoever but you need to find a partner. Chiarelli better be working the phones now and finding out whats available and who is willing to part with something decent. At the draft he has to know what he's going to be able to get through trade and if it's not good enough then draft the best defenceman (Sergachev for us IMHO). I dont care if it's going to take 3 or 4 years for this d-man to hit his prime I'd rather someday have a good defence rather than continue to draft forwards who put up points while we remain a weak team.

 

[Soundwave]

dude, it was just an example. point is you trade the pick not Nuge.

Why is Nugent Hopkins so untouchable?

Where is his role on this team long term? Is he supposed to be on the 3rd line? What's his point production going to be like there? Enough to warrant his $6 million salary?

Dubois is 6 foot 3 and probably could snap RNH in half already and has a higher draft year PPG and plays a power game. You win with players like that.

We have a far, far (far) better version of RNH already, his name is McDavid.

 

[Seachd]

So having a 18 year old in the line up vs RNH will make us a better team?

no way, no chance in hell.

He said trade him for a defenseman, which you're ignoring in your lineup. Who said Dubois makes the team next year?

That being said, I still haven't decided where I stand on the trade-a-forward-for-a-defenseman issue yet.

 

[Panda Bear]

Why is Nugent Hopkins so untouchable?

Where is his role on this team long term? Is he supposed to be on the 3rd line? What's his point production going to be like there?

Dubois is 6 foot 3 and probably could snap RNH in half already and has a higher draft year PPG and plays a power game. You win with players like that.

Red Deer Rebels (at least back then) never overplayed their stars. RNH was playing 20 minutes a game for them, which is pretty low by junior standards for your star player.

Draisaitl will probably be converted to a winger if Nuge stays, which isn't a bad thing. #2 for Nuge.

 

[iCanada]

So having a 18 year old in the line up vs RNH will make us a better team?

no way, no chance in hell.

trade the pick if the deal is there. That is also what cap strapped teams will want. Trading Peiterangalo for Nuge will nto help the Blues cap situation. The 4th on the other hand will temp them for sure.

I think Dubois in 3 years ends up being much more effective than RNH or Eberle will be in the playoffs.

You also get a Defenceman out of it. Also clear cap space and a center spot for a guy like Backes.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Why couldn't Nuge be a right handed shot? When it comes to the overall better hockey player, RNH is superior to Eberle. But put me in the "trade RNH instead" boat.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Red Deer Rebels (at least back then) never overplayed their stars. RNH was playing 20 minutes a game for them, which is pretty low by junior standards for your star player.

Draisaitl will probably be converted to a winger if Nuge stays, which isn't a bad thing. #2 for Nuge.

The poster you're quoting also conveniently ignored the fact that the Q is a much higher scoring league than the W.

RNH's offensive output in his draft year is more impressive than Dubois.

 

[McGoMcD]

Why is Nugent Hopkins so untouchable?

Where is his role on this team long term? Is he supposed to be on the 3rd line? What's his point production going to be like there? Enough to warrant his $6 million salary?

Dubois is 6 foot 3 and probably could snap RNH in half already and has a higher draft year PPG and plays a power game. You win with players like that.

We have a far, far (far) better version of RNH already, his name is McDavid.

your not better next year with nuge out and Dubios in. That seems pretty obvious. Nuge is not untouchable, but everything else comes down to what deal is on the table. My guess is teams will part with a top end D man for #4 before Nuge. however, we don't know that, that is mostly based on teams that have top end d needing cap space.

 

[Canovin]

dude, it was just an example. point is you trade the pick not Nuge.

If we trade the pick and keep Nuge. Are going to go after any UFA veterans like Eriksson/Backes while trying to add 2 top 4D's? Do we have enough cap space with Drai and McDavid having to be re-signed? This is where a player like DuBois on ELC in 2 years will come in handy when we are closer to the cap limit. If RNH was making 4M/yr I don't think anyone would be looking to trade him. But right now he's the most tradable asset that can return us a very good Dman

 

[iCanada]

If we trade the pick and keep Nuge. Are going to go after any UFA veterans like Eriksson/Backes while trying to add 2 top 4D's? Do we have enough cap space with Drai and McDavid having to be re-signed? This is where a player like DuBois on ELC in 2 years will come in handy. If RNH was making 4M/yr I don't think anyone would be looking to trade him. But right now he's the most tradable asset that can return us a very good Dman

Indeed.

Plus, a physical 6'3" 220 lbs winger than can skate and has a beauty of a shot, a guy described as "a more dynamic and versatile James Neal" is exactly the guy you want beside Connor come playoff time.

I think RNH is a very good player, i just think he is redundant and we make our team better by trading from the position of strength and filling our holes. It is much easier to find a good 3C than a Dman who has comparable value and contract to RNH.

 

[Canovin]

Indeed.

Plus, a physical 6'3" 220 lbs winger than can skate and has a beauty of a shot, a guy described as "a more dynamic and versatile James Neal" is exactly the guy you want beside Connor come playoff time.

I think RNH is a very good player, i just think he is redundant and we make our team better by trading from the position of strength and filling our holes. It is much easier to find a good 3C than a Dman who has comparable value and contract to RNH.

The last thing we want to be is Chicago minus the championships. Heck, maybe minus the playoffs if don't know how to manage the cap space

 

[Draiskull]

edit: not the correct thread.

 

[McGoMcD]

If we trade the pick and keep Nuge. Are going to go after any UFA veterans like Eriksson/Backes while trying to add 2 top 4D's? Do we have enough cap space with Drai and McDavid having to be re-signed? This is where a player like DuBois on ELC in 2 years will come in handy when we are closer to the cap limit. If RNH was making 4M/yr I don't think anyone would be looking to trade him. But right now he's the most tradable asset that can return us a very good Dman

depends whats on the table. I still disagree though, yes Dubious would be great. He would help us in a year or two when we are at the cap. The point is you need to try and win next year. you big bullet is to take advantage of McDavids ELC. You don't get better with Nuge out and Dubious in. Now if there are other factors of course, perhaps you draft him and trade Nuge.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

what would you rather trade if the return was the exact same:

Hall

or

RNH + 4th overall

Hall, easily.

 

[Faelko]

Hall, easily.

Interesting....I'd probably go the other way.