GDT: Draft thread Day 2 - 11AM

[Malachi Crunch]

I like what Chicago and Columbus have done thus far. (based on my amateur youtube scouting)

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

last off-season a lot of people said legit we were going to be lucky to make the playoffs with the goalies we have after Campbell walked. we are going to be fine.

Your opinion doesn't equate to facts nor does mine. The fact remains that if this roster is going to improve both Muzzin and Murray need to be moved/bought out. Muzzin may not cost anything to move but Murray will cost an asset, retention, or a buyout that hurts us next year.

 

[Nineteen67]

Even just looking at the D, thinking they need 3 more is nuts. Worst case scenario, you already have 4 full-time guys (Rielly, Brodie, McCabe, Liljegren) and a couple more questionable semi-regulars (Giordano, Timmins).

Did watch the playoffs? Brodie and McCabe are far too slow.

 

[Rob Brown]

They are slated to start the year with relatively the same team. Did I miss something?

We are losing Bunting, Kerfoot, Sandin and Holl. We have gained (so far) McCabe, Lafferty and Knies. As far as I know, we're not losing great players because I know for a fact everyone around here despises Kerfoot and Holl.

+ Lafferty coming back

 

[Stand Witness]

got a quick TLDR?

It was more arguing back and forth about nothing of insider substance.

Mirtle keeps making the argument the Leaf players are going to keep arguing “cap is going up” with the counter argument from Bunkis being “no one elses contracts are representative of that”


“Players want out to southern destinations” and Bunkis goes on that “Toronto is a top market that players should want to be in. A millionaire hockey player in Toronto is a great life”.

A couple other things, but basically keeps arguing that the Leafs will/should have problems here even though no player is getting these contracts.

 

[Steven1562]

80 more picks till the Leafs pick lol.

 

[Burnie97]

Putting in his resignation forsure...

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Putting in his resignation forsure...

that would be awesome

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

They are slated to start the year with relatively the same team. Did I miss something?

We are losing Bunting, Kerfoot, Sandin and Holl. We have gained (so far) McCabe, Lafferty and Knies. As far as I know, we're not losing great players because I know for a fact everyone around here despises Kerfoot and Holl.

It's not about the depth players we are losing and yes knies should fill Bunting minutes and production, but like I asked who can we add with the cap availible to make us better then last year ? Who do you add to this team with our cap to make us better ?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Your opinion doesn't equate to facts nor does mine. The fact remains that if this roster is going to improve both Muzzin and Murray need to be moved/bought out. Muzzin may not cost anything to move but Murray will cost an asset, retention, or a buyout that hurts us next year.

No, but I like to be rational and informed. That means realizing, Muzzin (I love him but he's likely to retire, is going to the LTIR).
Murray as contrary to popular belief being a burden or a pain in the ass to move is just fine and we can buy him out as an absolute worst-case scenario but there are higher chances of him being traded away if not kept around.

Plus Bunting, Holl, Kerfoor and Sandin is out and there are trades afoot so...I am just cool with it all.

 

[Stand Witness]

I bet Keefe is resigning or re-signing. Not sure which one yet LOL

 

[SprDaVE]

It's not about the depth players we are losing and yes knies should fill Bunting minutes and production, but like I asked who can we add with the cap availible to make us better then last year ? Who do you add to this team with our cap to make us better ?

I would have added Toffoli or Smith at the prices they went for if possible. But if the goal is sign a free agent or two, I think Bertuzzi is probably the best option to really add an impactful player. His contract might be ugly though.

The UFA class sucks so I wouldn't really be all that confident in getting good value.

 

[Rob Brown]

I bet Keefe is resigning or re-signing. Not sure which one yet LOL

Don't think he's going to resign after Treliving said he'd be back haha. Plus he was on the stage last night was he not?

 

[Cor]

Not really, as it adds $2 million to the 2024/25 season when the new AM and WN contracts kick in.

AM is not taking a 'discount' to fund Murray's buyout.

2M next season is easy. Cap will jump up 4-5M. Matthews and Nylander's raises won't be that much. Maybe 4M total.

And Brodie's 5M will be coming up, and we'll be able to keep him for less, AND we will no longer need to worry about LTIR

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

No, but I like to be rational and informed. That means realizing, Muzzin (I love him but he's likely to retire, is going to the LTIR).
Murray as contrary to popular belief being a burden or a pain in the ass to move is just fine and we can buy him out as an absolute worst-case scenario but there are higher chances of him being traded away if not kept around.

Plus Bunting, Holl, Kerfoor and Sandin is out and there are trades afoot so...I am just cool with it all.

Ok great, so Muzzin is Ltir retired, Murray gets moved with either retention or a prospect, that gives the leafs 15 million to add an impact D, a top 6 forward, a 3c a bottom 6 forward with grit and resign Sammy. 15 million won't cover the needs of the team.

 

[tmlms13]

2M next season is easy. Cap will jump up 4-5M. Matthews and Nylander's raises won't be that much. Maybe 4M total.

And Brodie's 5M will be coming up, and we'll be able to keep him for less, AND we will no longer need to worry about LTIR

Don't be surprised when it's closer to 6m than 4m

 

[Pebble live]

I just want a smart addition to this team. It still blows my mind we weren't more aggressive in the recent trades through the league. But lot's of time and lot's of avenues.

I haven't like how quiet this team has been either. But its pretty obvious now this is Shanahans team and he's the one that's been wanting to run it back year over year.

Did watch the playoffs? Brodie and McCabe are far too slow.

Weird take on McCabe. Brodie yes, he's falling off quick. McCabe was fine. Out of position at times but hopefully more time in the system will help with that.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I would have added Toffoli or Smith at the prices they went for if possible. But if the goal is sign a free agent or two, I think Bertuzzi is probably the best option to really add an impactful player. His contract might be ugly though.

The UFA class sucks so I wouldn't really be all that confident in getting good value.

Thats fair, but we also need a top 4 D, a 3c, some bottom 6 grit and sign Sammy. I don't see how it's possible even with 15 million which is what we would have after Muzzin is Ltir and Murray bought out.

 

[notbias]

I would have potentially taken Yamamoto + Kostin for free... It is only 1 year of Yamamoto, seems like a decent rental, and we aren't too bad for space this year.

Cap space is insanely expensive this year.

 

[Pebble live]

I would have potentially taken Yamamoto + Kostin for free... It is only 1 year of Yamamoto, seems like a decent rental, and we aren't too bad for space this year.

Cap space is insanely expensive this year.

Kostin probably going to the KHL. No guarantee he stays so its a gamble. Yamamoto is a more expensive Denis Malgin. Don't want or need that.

 

[SprDaVE]

Thats fair, but we also need a top 4 D, a 3c, some bottom 6 grit and sign Sammy. I don't see how it's possible even with 15 million which is what we would have after Muzzin is Ltir and Murray bought out.

Kampf and Holmberg are probably good bets to be the bottom line centers. Lafferty can play center too. I don't think they are expected to sign a 3rd line center for top dollar.

15M to fill those roles seems more than enough. Trades are also another avenue. But at the end of the day, this discussion started because someone said there's no cap flexibility. There is.

 

[Tony Romo]

It was more arguing back and forth about nothing of insider substance.

Mirtle keeps making the argument the Leaf players are going to keep arguing “cap is going up” with the counter argument from Bunkis being “no one elses contracts are representative of that”


“Players want out to southern destinations” and Bunkis goes on that “Toronto is a top market that players should want to be in. A millionaire hockey player in Toronto is a great life”.

A couple other things, but basically keeps arguing that the Leafs will/should have problems here even though no player is getting these contracts.

I'm curious to what he means Southern Destinations mean.. like just the states or warm places? Because Meier just signed for 8 years in NJD, Pasta 8 years in Boston..

 

[Cor]

Don't be surprised when it's closer to 6m than 4m

Literally How. Nylander will end up around 9M if it gets done. That's 2M

Matthews makes 11.6M, and estimates appear to be, on the high end, 13.5M, which is 1.9M.

That's a total of 3.9M.

So either you think Nylander is somehow going to get 11.1M or Matthews will sign an illegal contract.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Kampf and Holmberg are probably good bets to be the bottom line centers. Lafferty can play center too. I don't think they are expected to sign a 3rd line center for top dollar.

15M to fill those roles seems more than enough. Trades are also another avenue.

Kampf at 3c and Holmberg at 4c isn't good at all. I really like Holmberg but unless he has made big strides in the dot he won't last all season there. Kampf is a great defensive C but has almost no offense and is nowhere close to a 3c offensively.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm curious to what he means Southern Destinations mean.. like just the states or warm places? Because Meier just signed for 8 years in NJD, Pasta 8 years in Boston..

This is simply just a unique situation to Matthews. He wants to be paid the highest player in the league at every turn. It's that simple. No need to spin other players and things in the mix.

Every other team doesn't have to deal with their superstar not willing to commit to 8 years after their bridge. It's all mental gymnastics and making excuses. A bunch of people will say players are smart to do that but then realize there's only one player reported to do that.