Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

[charliemurphy]

I could see Detroit at 6--possibly Vancouver at 10, Philly at 11 taking Podkolzin. If he drops further than that he might be the Tarasenko of this draft in that years from now teams are going to be kicking themselves over not taking him. I'd be surprised if he fell as far as 20 but if he does the Rangers should take him. The Rangers can afford to wait a couple years for him.

I can't imagine the Rangers walking away with Kakko AND Podkolzin. I've never attempted a back flip but I think I would try it if that happened. Absolutely, no discussion if Podkolzin falls to 20.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not sure how I feel about this. The Rangers should always be taking BPA every pick this draft. At 20, Podkolzin is probably the best player depending on other teams' picks, but how many of these tweeners does a team need? Is he more competitive than LA 50? Do more off the score sheet stuff than Fast? Granted Fast will probably be gone before Pod sees NHL games. The Rangers need impact players. No problem with them going off the board a little at 20 trying to find one.

BPA based on....?

BPA is subjective. Every team always selects who they feel is the best player available

 

[Mac n Gs]

I agree with Pronman there, Nils is a great talent who should be considered there if all our targets are gone.

I do like Hoglander.

But I would also say Seider has the A+ report card both now and in 2023 for us if we are able to draft him.

Here’s what Pronman wrote about Nils:

Nils Hoglander, LW, Rogle-SHL
Dec. 20, 2000 | 5-foot-9 | 185 pounds
Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 70
Physical Game: 35
Hockey Sense: 60
Hoglander had a quality first season in the SHL as a top-nine forward for Rogle who showed his high-skill game can translate versus men. Hoglander has the best hands in the draft. When he has the puck on his stick, he’s trying to make a skilled play. His puck handling is lightning quick and he often leaves defenders in a knot with how he dangles while in stride. He’s not a selfish dangler, though, as he’s a great passer and looks for his teammates constantly. He’s not a typical playmaker you see run a power play and hang around the half-wall hitting seam passes. He’s always in motion and makes creative feeds. Hoglander isn’t the biggest forward at 5-foot-9, but he plays with a lot of energy and engages well. He’s got a bit of an edge to his game, too. He’s a decent skater, more elusive than a burner with very good edges, but he can turn a corner when he needs to. I wish he had more of a dangerous top gear because versus men he got eliminated along walls quite often on zone entries.
Rogle manager Chris Abbott on Hoglander: “His skill is high-end, his small area play is high-end. He’s hard, strong, he fends off pressure very well. We have the puck when he’s on the ice.”

I haven’t seen any Euro prospects, but he sounds very similar to a Robby Fabbri. The SHL production is a bonus too.

Guys left on the board that we’d like are Heinola, Brink, Pelletier, and Suzuki (maybe not him, I can’t remember). Seider, Tomasino, and the others were selected already in his mock.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Here’s what Pronman wrote about Nils:


I haven’t seen any Euro prospects, but he sounds very similar to a Robby Fabbri. The SHL production is a bonus too.

Guys left on the board that we’d like are Heinola, Brink, Pelletier, and Suzuki (maybe not him, I can’t remember). Seider, Tomasino, and the others were selected already in his mock.

"There can be only one!"

 

[One Winged Angel]

Both would be horrible.

Why would Harley be horrible?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why would Harley be horrible?

Lack of urgency or conviction in everything he does.

Not worth a 1st rounder IMO. Would take him in the 2nd depending on who else is still on the board.

 

[UnSandvich]

Athletic Writers mock draft, Rd 1

Kakko at 2 (yay!)
Lavoie at 20 with Seider, Tomasino, Brink, Heinola on the board, and Newhook available at 19. f*** no

 

[One Winged Angel]

Lack of urgency or conviction in everything he does.

Not worth a 1st rounder IMO. Would take him in the 2nd depending on who else is still on the board.

Fair enough. Always curious to hear people’s views on prospects. Wasn’t looking to argue or anything.

I do think that issue can be fixed though and that a skill set like his is hard to come by. I think for sure he’d be the most talented puck mover they have in the system if they took him, but I do have others I’d rather take at 20 before him.

Wouldn’t mind him at 20 though.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Athletic Writers mock draft, Rd 1

Kakko at 2 (yay!)
Lavoie at 20 with Seider, Tomasino, Brink, Heinola on the board, and Newhook available at 19. **** no

Rangers haven't drafted a player from the Q in the 1st round since Lucien DeBlois in 1977. I don't see that changing in 2019. Also, I don't think Lavoie had a season worthy of a top-20 selection. As an early birthday, in a weaker league, I expected more from him

 

[UnSandvich]

Rangers haven't drafted a player from the Q in the 1st round since Lucien DeBlois in 1977. I don't see that changing in 2019. Also, I don't think Lavoie had a season worthy of a top-20 selection. As an early birthday, in a weaker league, I expected more from him

Agreed. Especially as someone who early on was getting a lot of talk as a Top 10 guy (if i remember correctly)

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I’d be down for Hoglander

 

[One Winged Angel]

And I have to tell you, that while my list obviously varies from his, I can see some of those names going as high and as low as he has them. There's not a lot that there that I can't say for sure is not going to happen.

There's a lot of free-flowing movement that I think is possible for this draft.

And for the sake of arguments, I don't think the Rangers would shed any tears if Cozens is there at 14, and Newhook, Seider, Tomasino, York and others were options at 20. Ditto for Dorofyev at 44.

If anything, for the sake of imagination, this breakdown would probably make both the Rangers and their fans pretty giddy from a certain perspective. Especially if the Rangers can indeed get themselves into the mid-teens.

Absolutely.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’d be down for Hoglander

Pirri-level shooting but a better skater. His biggest flaw is probably his defense. He's not a good 2-way player and can be a liability if the team turns the puck over. But I think he's worth the risk late in the 1st.

 

[True Blue]

If you have a 28-year-old good 1st-liner that you are happy with, you don't look to move him. You sign him. The idea that we don't want to spend the money to retain a good 1st-liner is illogical. Management doesn't deem him to be worth paying as a 1st-liner. And neither does anyone posting here.

The world is not quite that black and white. There is a difference between not wanting to bring someone back and looking at the situation and making a rational decision that the price is worth the ask. In this case, it would be to get to one of the other names that Gorton covets at the draft. If he does that, then he coldly did the calculus and decided that a move to get whomever was worth the risk and the price.

Two years ago, if I had told you that the Rangers would be looking to move Kreider at 28, after he had performed as a good 1st-liner, the majority here would want the GM fired. Rather than admit that the bloom is off the glow of Kreider, everyone is looking to cash him in, while maintaining how good he is.

Again, you cannot have such a discussion when your viewpoint has blinders on. If you had told me that two years ago, before I chanted "Fire the GM", I would have asked you to describe the situation and the circumstances.

I agree that it's good to cash him in, but if I thought he was a great asset, I would never want to move him at 28.

That is because your definition of a "great asset" seems to be limited to the assets that are skating on the big team. A "great asset" can also be great because it is used to derive another good or product from the market that in the future has a good chance of being called a "great asset". You take short term pain for long term pleasure.

I do not want to see Krieder traded. I think that as a top liner and a core member of the leadership group, he can be here on the other side of a rebuild. I also believe that Gorton would trade ANYONE if he thought that he could secure the type of deal that will set up this franchise to be excellent for years to come. And he would do so cold heartedly, without regards for what I want or what Kreider wants. And I also believe that Gorton is not going to simply give Kreider away and has a vision of how Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C would look like.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Pirri-level shooting but a better skater. His biggest flaw is probably his defense. He's not a good 2-way player and can be a liability if the team turns the puck over. But I think he's worth the risk late in the 1st.

He's stupid skilled and would be hard to pass up at that spot for sure.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I might as well, but think that I would beat you to bathroom.

I think the entire Ranger fan base might do so collectively and none of us would make it to the bathroom.

 

[True Blue]

At 20, no question. I just don't think he should go in the top-10 with all the questionmarks surrounding him. At 20, it's either him or any other player with questionmarks

Naturally, depends on who else is around but in general absolutely, I think you pounce on him. Honestly, with the forwards that are here, I think that Gorton is actually in a position to wait for him for a few years.

 

[True Blue]

A partial tear doesn't mean the kid is finished. I'm not presuming anything. He'll be on crutches and starting rehab within a week and back to normal within 4-6 months. Missing training camp won't be the end for this kid. Again, this is very rare injury and its not as bad as some would think.

I get it, which is why it makes for a very tricky situation. An Achilles is nothing to mess with (just ask Hector). It could be exactly as you say, or it could be weakened and more susceptible. Very tricky.

 

[Leetch3]

I wouldn't hate taking hoglander..but there are enough guys that I want that I would be pretty surprised if someone I like better isn't still there at 20

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I wouldn't hate taking hoglander..but there are enough guys that I want that I would be pretty surprised if someone I like better isn't still there at 20

Assuming they are available, this is the order I'd put them in:

1. Dorofeyev
2. Höglander
3. Brink
4. Puistola
5. Broberg
6. Heinola
7. Seider
8. Tomasino
9. M. Robertson
10. Björnfot

And yes, I prefer a forward at 20

 

[One Winged Angel]

Quite a few people who wrote/reported on here from the earliest days of HockeysFuture.com.

Though in the next few years we’ll reach the point where the draft eligible players will have been born after some of our last articles appeared.

Scary thought, isn’t it? I remember when I started posting on here. Can’t believe it’s been 13 years already.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Assuming they are available, this is the order I'd put them in:

1. Dorofeyev
2. Höglander
3. Brink
4. Puistola
5. Broberg
6. Heinola
7. Seider
8. Tomasino
9. M. Robertson
10. Björnfot

And yes, I prefer a forward at 20

I have Tomasino near the top of my list at 20.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I have Tomasino near the top of my list at 20.

I hope they go with a boom or bust prospect. Tomasino is a good prospect, but feels like a safer pick at 20

 

[GregSirico]

I think we moving up from 20 fam.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Assuming they are available, this is the order I'd put them in:

1. Dorofeyev
2. Höglander
3. Brink
4. Puistola
5. Broberg
6. Heinola
7. Seider
8. Tomasino
9. M. Robertson
10. Björnfot

And yes, I prefer a forward at 20

I think you’re severely underrating Tomasino. He had a slow start to the year, but from November forward, he was an absolute beast. Even on a good team, he was still a primary driver at 5v5 and racked up most of his points there. Once he gets a bigger role next year, you’ll see his scoring skyrocket.

He’s smaller and will end up a RW, but he has a lot of similar traits to Point at that age. Same type of edgework and speed that’s really strong, but with some refinement can be top-class. Great hands and vision, and when he wants to shoot it, he has a deceptive wrist shot that packs a lot of speed and accuracy. He’s also really aggressive in his pursuit of the puck, and has the tools to round out an above average-to-strong defensive game.

You know I’m a bit biased towards the USHL, OHL, and WHL, but I genuinely think he should be in your top-3. Idk much about Hoglander, and I’ve scouted Doro vicariously through you