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Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Assuming this is about Kreider: He has reached his expected level, not his ceiling. If you would have said in 2009 we would get a 50-60 point player at 19th overall, a lot of people would be happy. He could have developed into more, but where he is right now, it's still a pretty good career he has carved out for himself
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still think kreider can be a 30 goal guy for a few years before his athleticism starts betraying him.
 
ecemleafs said:
still think kreider can be a 30 goal guy for a few years before his athleticism starts betraying him.
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If he was paired with a top 10 center,I can see it. Last year should have been the season to do it. Mika broke out and had 70+ points. He was his primary wing. It didn't happen.

Pair him with MacKinnon or McDavid type? I could see 35 goals.
 
1. NJD - Hughes
2. NYR - Kakko
3. CHI - Turcotte
4. COL - Byram
5. LAK - Dach
6. DET - Podkolzin
7. BUF - Zegras
8. EDM - Caufield
9. ANA - Boldy
10. VAN - Seider
11. PHI - Soderstrom
12. MIN - Broberg
13. FLA - Knight

This scenario is probably unlikely but I want to get a sense of how this board would feel about Krebs vs Cozens. Does Krebs have high end C upside? Is Cozens a W or C?

We trade for pick 14...who do we take:
Krebs
Cozens
Newhook (dark horse pick I suppose)
 
Frank JT said:
Sorry if I post-it twice.
What are the needs you have to fill in the next drafts?
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There’s depth pretty much everywhere in the system, they really need the close-to-sure-thing elite talent on forward and defense, could maybe use a RD or two and some forward prospects that would be ready in a few years rather than this upcoming season
 
Leetch3 said:
in4 #BrobergBeforeHoberg
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Disclaimer: I've read way more about Broberg than I have actually seen him play.

That said, I'm a little worried that he could turn into the defenseman version of Emerson Etem. "Tunnel vision" and "horse blinders" seem to be common descriptions of his play.
 
To be fair, I'm hearing a lot of the same criticisms about Broberg as we were about K'Andre Miller before and after the draft last year.

The tools of both players are tantalizing. The question was always about the tool boxes for these guys. Miller looks like his athletic tools are translating well to the next level. I think Broberg will be an NHL defenseman, I just have concerns about his chances of meeting his ceiling.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
To be fair, I'm hearing a lot of the same criticisms about Broberg as we were about K'Andre Miller before and after the draft last year.

The tools of both players are tantalizing. The question was always about the tool boxes for these guys. Miller looks like his athletic tools are translating well to the next level. I think Broberg will be an NHL defenseman, I just have concerns about his chances of meeting his ceiling.
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I think Broberg is more of a scary prospect than K'Andre was, TBH....
 
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Frank JT said:
Sorry if I post-it twice.
What are the needs you have to fill in the next drafts?
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High end talent on either forward or defense.

Kakko is a given as the assumed franchise level wing but the Rangers also need a top C solution for the coming years as well as a top D prospect.

I think they'd look at a center with their second pick in this draft depending on how things shake out, as the D don't seem to be as exciting as others years and the Rangers have stocked up on some lately (Miller and Lundkvist last year, trading for DeAngelo, Hajek, Lindgren, Fox, etc)
 
Lundy HOF said:
We trade for pick 14...who do we take:
Krebs
Cozens
Newhook (dark horse pick I suppose)
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Newhook. For me, it’s not that close either. He’s the only one of the 3 I have in the top 10. He’s #6 on my board. He’s a more well-rounded offensive talent and has the higher ceiling.
 
Cozens led his Lethbridge team in scoring as a 17 year old. The Hockey News draft issue compared him directly against Kirby Dach and gave Cozens the edge in skating, defensive play, shot, physicality and readiness and Dach the edge in hockey sense, offensive play and passing. Cozens is not necessarily a pass first kind of center--he is not shy about taking the shot. Historically the Rangers have this tendency to overpass. I don't mind guys who look to shoot. Cozens is also kind of a power forward type with speed. He's big and will be a monster when he fills out. I absolutely have him in my top 10. If he were to drop to us for some reason I'd be ecstatic. Mind you I like Newhook, Dach, Turcotte and Zegras a lot too......and also I don't see any of them being around at 20---these are pretty much all the guys I would look to move up for.
 
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chosen said:
Why do you believe there is a good chance he gets moved? Isn't it primarily because his performance never caught up to what people expected of him?
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No, his performance is that of a first line wing. Why would I want to get rid of that? No, I believe that there is a good chance he gets moved due to the fact that usually whereas there's smoke, there's fire. Rangers want to be aggressive at the draft and move up. To a team that needs to win now or needs to at least make the playoffs now, Kreider is the Rangers best piece to move. That, mingled with his contract status, is the reasoning.

I also believe that Gorton is not going to simply overpay and hand him away. If there is no deal to be made and Kreider's contract wants fits into the box that Gorton has in his head, then Kreider will be extended and brought back.
 
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I think the last option is going to be a Kreider extension. He is going to want an immediate clause as he can pick his destination by waiting for UFA, and I think that is a major roadblock for the Rangers.

While they may not love it, if not moved at the draft or even this summer past it, I'm guessing he ends up staying as a pending UFA. They revisit moving him at the trade deadline if not sooner in the season.

Really it may turn out to be a good thing, they could maybe make better or more complex deals by combining some combo of Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast at the deadline. Maybe they can sneak a Staal, Shattenkirk or Smith in there too.
 
Off Sides said:
I think the last option is going to be a Kreider extension. He is going to want an immediate clause as he can pick his destination by waiting for UFA, and I think that is a major roadblock for the Rangers.

While they may not love it, if not moved at the draft or even this summer past it, I'm guessing he ends up staying as a pending UFA. They revisit moving him at the trade deadline if not sooner in the season.

Really it may turn out to be a good thing, they could maybe make better or more complex deals by combining some combo of Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast at the deadline. Maybe they can sneak a Staal, Shattenkirk or Smith in there too.
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I don't know what Chris is going to ask but I do think he wants to remain a Ranger. That said--how the Rangers hit a home run with him is to trade him for a Hayes (hopefully +) type package either in this draft or the next and then try to sign Panarin. If the difference is $4 mil per between signing Kreider or Panarin--that's not that much and Panarin's a much better player......and we'd also be getting whatever Kreider returned. To me that's the best case scenario.

Looking at this draft--if we're into trying to move Chris and can't get a mid-teens first rounder I would hang on to him and move him instead towards the deadline. Either or I'm trying to sign Panarin--whether that works out though who knows--I don't expect we're going to be the only team that could be in on Panarin. Failing that though and failing at getting the mid-teens first rounder we would have Kreider for at least most of the season.
 
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The issue I have with Panarin is age and timing.

There is just no way around that he will be about 10 years older than whoever they take at #2 this draft.

By the time the #2 pick is in his prime, if we use Barkov or Eichel for example as past #2 picks, that will likely be at age 22 if not 23.

Once that younger player is in his prime, the player ~10 year older is likely to be leaving his prime.

It just does not make sense to me given my idea would be to try to have all the best players on the team in their primes all at the same time, for as long as possible so they can have multiple years worth of trying to win a Cup. Not so much them having to possibly deal with older players leaving their primes while still carrying a big cap hit, with clauses.
 
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