Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

[Leetch3]

SO is the thinking both Söderström and Seider are gone by 20?

seider definitely...would love to get him at 20 but I don't think he'll be there. soderstrom is a maybe, he might still be there. not sure thought that he is different enough from lundkvist, ada, fox, etc to take him over whatever forward is still on the board.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

SO is the thinking both Söderström and Seider are gone by 20?

I think by 20, we will see 5-6 defensemen taken. Those being Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider and one of York/Heinola

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

1. New Jersey Devils - Jack Hughes
2. New York Rangers - Kappo Kakko
3. Chicago Blackhawks - Alex Turcotte
4. Colorado Avalanche (from Senators) - Bowen Byram
5. Los Angeles Kings - Kirby Dach
6. Detroit Red Wings - Dylan Cozens
7. Buffalo Sabres - Trevor Zegras
8. Edmonton Oilers - Peyton Krebs
9. Anaheim Ducks - Matthew Boldy
10. Vancouver Canucks - Alex Newhook
11. Philadelphia Flyers - Cam York
12. Minnesota Wild - Cole Caulfield
13. Florida Panthers - Spencer Knight
14. Arizona Coyotes - Vasili Podkolzin
15. Montreal Canadiens - Raphael Lavoie
16. Colorado Avalanche - Victor Soderstrom
17. Vegas Golden Knights - Arthur Kaliyev
18. Dallas Stars - Philip Broberg
19. Ottawa Senators (from Blue Jackets) - Thomas Harley
20. New York Rangers (from Jets) - Moritz Seider
21. Pittsburgh Penguins - Matthew Robertson
22. Los Angeles Kings (from Maple Leafs) - Philip Tomasino
23. New York Islanders - Connor McMichael
24. Nashville Predators - Ryan Suzuki
25. Washington Capitals - Nils Hoglander
26. Calgary Flames - Ville Heinola
27. Tampa Bay Lightning - Jakob Pelletier
28. Carolina Hurricanes - Bobby Brink
29. San Jose Sharks - Brett Leason
30. Boston/Buffalo - Samuel Poulin/Nick Robertson
31. Buffalo/Boston - Nick Robertson/Samuel Poulin

 

[Leetch3]

I think by 20, we will see 5-6 defensemen taken. Those being Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider and one of York/Heinola

i'm big time on the seider train...but if 5-6 dmen go plus spencer knight that should bode rather nicely for us with which forwards are left

 

[gravey9]

What about this?

Kreider to Canucks for #8 + conditional 2nd/1st rounder next season if he resigns. Rangers Take Seider with #8. Then Doro with #20.
First round: Kakko, Seider, Doro.

OR

Same trade. Rangers Take Krebs at 8 + RHD at 20.
First Round, Kakko, Krebs + RHD.

Once we take Kakko. I'd like the team to get one more top 6 Center and one more top 4 RHD. Then, with FA and trades, we focus on upgrading the forwards and let the team develop.

If I'm the Rangers I do everything I can to trade up and get Seider. He's exactly what the Right Side of the D is missing as we move forward. And if Seider can make the big club as early as this year, it makes Shatty expendable now and Pionk, DeAngelo expendable down the road. Right Side with Seider in 2 years could be: Seider, Fox, Lundkvist. LD: Miller, Skjei, Rykov, Hajek. That's a very nice D core. Finding 1-2 top 6 wingers as we go is a lot easier then young Ds or Cs.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

What about this?

Kreider to Canucks for #8 + conditional 2nd/1st rounder next season if he resigns. Rangers Take Seider with #8. Then Doro with #20.
First round: Kakko, Seider, Doro.

OR

Same trade. Rangers Take Krebs at 8 + RHD at 20.
First Round, Kakko, Krebs + RHD.

Once we take Kakko. I'd like the team to get one more top 6 Center and one more top 4 RHD. Then, with FA and trades, we focus on upgrading the forwards and let the team develop.

If I'm the Rangers I do everything I can to trade up and get Seider. He's exactly what the Right Side of the D is missing as we move forward. And if Seider can make the big club as early as this year, it makes Shatty expendable now and Pionk, DeAngelo expendable down the road. Right Side with Seider in 2 years could be: Seider, Fox, Lundkvist. LD: Miller, Skjei, Rykov, Hajek. That's a very nice D core. Finding 1-2 top 6 wingers as we go is a lot easier then young Ds or Cs.

1) The Oilers have 8, not the Canucks
2) Taking Seider at 8 would be horrible

 

[gravey9]

1) The Oilers have 8, not the Canucks
2) Taking Seider at 8 would be horrible

Canucks are at 10. Sorry. But either way, Seider in some mocks is going as early as 10. So, I don't see the issue in taking the guy you want a few spots higher than he's projected.

 

[Fugazy]

I’m on board with the Seider at 20 pick. Just have to hope he’s there for the taking.

 

[bobbop]

Yes, it's 3 total. We can only retain on 2 more spots because we're still retaining on Spooner.

Spooner may get bought out. That would be helpful.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Canucks are at 10. Sorry. But either way, Seider in some mocks is going as early as 10. So, I don't see the issue in taking the guy you want a few spots higher than he's projected.

If they’re at 10, I think there’s going to be at least a few players better than Seider available

 

[Leetch3]

Canucks are at 10. Sorry. But either way, Seider in some mocks is going as early as 10. So, I don't see the issue in taking the guy you want a few spots higher than he's projected.

I really want to get seider but if we are trading up that high than its a no brainer that you have to take the best center left. that also fills a huge need...

also not a fan of trading kreider for just a 1st. I'd want a prospect too. kreider with a full year for pretty cheap needs to be worth atleast as much as hayes as a rental

 

[broadwayblue]

For years I have been getting grief here for writing that Kreider is overrated and not going to improve. Now everyone here is coming up with deals to send off Kreider.

We absolutely do not need to trade him, but there are plenty of indications that the team doesn't want to let it ride out that long. They already noted that they'd like to avoid the mental cost of another deadline sell off.

I think if Kreider isn't gone by July 2nd then the smart money is on an extension being signed shortly.

Has he not improved? And resigning him to a big contract doesn’t really make sense for the Rangers at this time

I think a lot of us here know what we're getting with Kreider, which is a big bodied winger that plays in front of the net on the power play that can hit 30 goals and 55 points in any given year. He has consistency issues and is a bit injury prone.

The desire from many to move him stems from not wanting to give him a retirement contract that will give him more money and term than he's worth.

No. People believe that there is a decent chance that he gets moved, so are trying to gauge market value. That is entirely different than coming up with ideas of how to ship him out because he is disliked as a player.

I'm not a Kreider hater. But he's going to be asking for a big payday and I'm not sure how much I want to pay a 25-30 goal 50-55 point player. He clearly has value, and if we can get a couple mid 1st rounders in two strong draft years I don't know how you can pass that up during a rebuild.

 

[gravey9]

1. New Jersey Devils - Jack Hughes
2. New York Rangers - Kappo Kakko
3. Chicago Blackhawks - Alex Turcotte
4. Colorado Avalanche (from Senators) - Bowen Byram
5. Los Angeles Kings - Kirby Dach
6. Detroit Red Wings - Dylan Cozens
7. Buffalo Sabres - Trevor Zegras
8. Edmonton Oilers - Peyton Krebs
9. Anaheim Ducks - Matthew Boldy
10. Vancouver Canucks - Alex Newhook
11. Philadelphia Flyers - Cam York
12. Minnesota Wild - Cole Caulfield
13. Florida Panthers - Spencer Knight
14. Arizona Coyotes - Vasili Podkolzin
15. Montreal Canadiens - Raphael Lavoie
16. Colorado Avalanche - Victor Soderstrom
17. Vegas Golden Knights - Arthur Kaliyev
18. Dallas Stars - Philip Broberg
19. Ottawa Senators (from Blue Jackets) - Thomas Harley
20. New York Rangers (from Jets) - Moritz Seider
21. Pittsburgh Penguins - Matthew Robertson
22. Los Angeles Kings (from Maple Leafs) - Philip Tomasino
23. New York Islanders - Connor McMichael
24. Nashville Predators - Ryan Suzuki
25. Washington Capitals - Nils Hoglander
26. Calgary Flames - Ville Heinola
27. Tampa Bay Lightning - Jakob Pelletier
28. Carolina Hurricanes - Bobby Brink
29. San Jose Sharks - Brett Leason
30. Boston/Buffalo - Samuel Poulin/Nick Robertson
31. Buffalo/Boston - Nick Robertson/Samuel Poulin

This is a good list, but I see Seider being the 2nd or 3rd D picked in the draft. Byram and probably Soderstrom go before him. But from all the recent buzz, it seems Seider leapfrogged Broberg, Harley, Heinola and York.

My top 7 D: 1 Byram, 2/3 Seider/Soderstrom, 4 Heinola, 5 York, 6 Broberg, 7 Harley.

My top 7 F: Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs/Caufield/Podkolzin

Goalie: Knight.

Also, I think one or both of Dach/Cozens will fall to the mid-teens.

My next tier of Fs: Dach, Cozens, Boldy,
Followed by: Newhook, Brink, Poulin.
Then: Tomasino, Doro, Hoglander.

I'm much much higher on Poulin than most. His ceiling is not elite, but I really like his game. High motor guy with size and good skill. He's a prototypical Ducks forward. He will suck to play against, and he would fit perfectly into middle 6 for the Rangers.

 

[Lone Ranger]

I hate to profit from someone's misfortune, but I'd be very happy if Krebs' injury pushes him down into the teens where we could package the 20th with a 2nd round pick and steal him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Spooner may get bought out. That would be helpful.

Would that limit our buy out options though?

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I absolutely love what Kreider brings to this team on and off the ice but if you can get the #10 for him you do it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I really want to get seider but if we are trading up that high than its a no brainer that you have to take the best center left. that also fills a huge need...

also not a fan of trading kreider for just a 1st. I'd want a prospect too. kreider with a full year for pretty cheap needs to be worth atleast as much as hayes as a rental

Alex Newhook FTW...


Unless Dylan Cozens is there.

 

[Off Sides]

I really want to get seider but if we are trading up that high than its a no brainer that you have to take the best center left. that also fills a huge need...

also not a fan of trading kreider for just a 1st. I'd want a prospect too. kreider with a full year for pretty cheap needs to be worth atleast as much as hayes as a rental

What I guess I find interesting, what correlates to a Hayes like return in terms of a known 2019 pick?

The Jets 1st could have fallen, if I remember right, anywhere from 18 to 31. And I'm not sure how to translate Lemieux into a pick value.

Is a top 5 2019 pick worth more than #20 and Lemieux? What about a top 10 pick?

And where is the cut off, pick #12, #15, #18?

I guess to me it's more about the specific prospect who could be drafted and less about slot #. From there it would be about how confident I was in that specific prospect(s) ceiling and chances of reaching it in order to try to ascribe a value.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Would that limit our buy out options though?

Would it have any effect on us? Is there even prior precedent for a player to be bought out when a team is retaining salary on him?

 

[bobbop]

Would that limit our buy out options though?

It’s a good question. I would guess not but I did a quick scan of the CBA and couldn’t find anything.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I hate to profit from someone's misfortune, but I'd be very happy if Krebs' injury pushes him down into the teens where we could package the 20th with a 2nd round pick and steal him.

1. This is sports. It is competitive by nature. You do what you can to win.
2. I am not sure how Krebs injury would be us profiting from misfortune. It isn't like he loses much by being drafted 8th vs 16-20th. Not the injury will impact is draft position that much, if at all.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I think Newhook might end up better than Cozens depending on how each develops in their respective environment.

 

[BKGooner]

I think Newhook might end up better than Cozens depending on how each develops in their respective environment.

All other hockey skills out of the equation - Hughes, Cozens, Newhook in that order are the best skaters in this draft. Seems like Cozens is projecting more as a wing in the pros. That might make Newhook more valuable than him today with all things being equal. Cozens is probably more pro ready.He looks like a big faller in most of the mocks. I feel like someone is going to be sitting there between 10 and 15 going do we take Cozens or Boldy.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Trading Kreider at the draft has to land you a top 10-12 pick and a kid with some serious potential, with something else thrown in as well.

 

[GAGLine]

Would that limit our buy out options though?

As I mentioned before, the buyout limit is on buyouts outside the regular period. The June 15th to June 30th window is the regular buyout period. There is no limit.

Regardless, we wouldn't be buying the player out, so it wouldn't matter anyway.